BEWARE OF PYRAMID SCHEMES posing as a legitimate MLM

[Gray_Fox]

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kasabot sad ko sa ilang side. mas daghan man gud MLM nga scam kysa legit especially dri sa Philippines. ang ako lang hangyo unta nga dli unta nla e generalize tanan.

[ncmknight]

unsa man kahay conclusion ani? Basin ako undecided pa, good or bad ba ang MLM, it seems to be workable pero daghan man sad mo disagree......

I suggest these sir:

Do a google search of MLM, its benefits and the scams and possible scams it will possibly become, and the truths and deceptions behind every MLM.

Then do an informal inquiry about some of your friends. I am sure some of them have joined MLM in the past. And most especially, ask those who are active about the LENGTH OF TIME they have been in the company, whether 1 one month or 2 years really matters. If you can, study the system too. There will always be things in common.

[ncmknight]

like i asked lately, how much is your regular meal per day? when i say regular, i don't mean budget meal.

Since i'm a distributor of Herbalife so obviously I have discounts on the products. i tell you, my meal using Formula 1 Herbalife shake is below P30.00. if thats overpriced to you, then i believe you're eating 1 puso and ginamos per meal.



lets just say you're right... when did beckham started wearing his jersey? do you think Herbalife can sustain that much money that long til now if the products are not as good as you say? - care to quote these questions and answer them?



if those accusations were true, then Herbalife would not be standing now. our CEO would be in jail right before i graduated in Highschool. its as simple as that.



duh... how many people watch soccer around the world? how many people saw the advertisement of Herbalife when LA Galaxy played? how many Bilboards of Herbalife around the world? i already posted one pic from Thailand on this thread. i can repost it if you haven't seen it or you can back read. there are lots of styles in Advertisment nowadays. not just in televisions. you are naive i think.

P 30. Yeah cheap. That meal shake probably costs around P 5.00 only.

No question. Herbalife has money. But does that money come entirely from sales? Looks like somewhere down below, the number of associates is building up. The longer it takes, the more people are needed to sustain the business. One dissatisfied dealer pulls out, two more recruits come in. I'm afraid Herbalife will saturate the world with dealers and no pure consumers.

Of course your CEO won't go to jail. You pay for legal fees and settlements right? Herbalife has got a number of mass suits that were settled out of court, so.... it does say something. It's the easiest way out.

Care to tell us what happened to Mark Hughes, the founder? I would have guessed he'd still be living today with an excellent line of products.

And as for Beckham, who cares what's written on his jersey? The only people who have much interest in his Herbalife-printed jersey are distributors who have been members before they saw it. What's the big deal? Everybody does sponsorship. Even Juvio used to carry Mel Gibson's name

No need to repost your pictures. I've seen it. I wonder if you have as many consumers as distributors.

[Gray_Fox]

P 30. Yeah cheap. That meal shake probably costs around P 5.00 only.

wahahahaha. ikaw nlang pag CEO sa Herbalife bro para ikaw magbuot sa prices.

i believe i already posted some videos of Herbalife product users the products work on them... losing/gaining weight and gaining back their health for P30.00 is pretty cheap.

No question. Herbalife has money. But does that money come entirely from sales? Looks like somewhere down below, the number of associates is building up. The longer it takes, the more people are needed to sustain the business. One dissatisfied dealer pulls out, two more recruits come in. I'm afraid Herbalife will saturate the world with dealers and no pure consumers.

Herbalife is a Network "Marketing" business. Marketing = selling products. duh......

Care to tell us what happened to Mark Hughes, the founder? I would have guessed he'd still be living today with an excellent line of products.

he died. duh... the history of Herbalife goes like this... Mark Hugh's mother died coz of abnormal diet. thats why he founded Herbalife so that no one will suffer the same fate as her mother's.

if you're saying Mark Hughes died because of Herbalife products then all of Herbalife distributors would be dead by now including me would we? but im still posting here so yeah... I'm pretty much alive.

And as for Beckham, who cares what's written on his jersey? The only people who have much interest in his Herbalife-printed jersey are distributors who have been members before they saw it. What's the big deal?

LOL? you're last post said about advertisement and and i gave you about Beckham's Jersey.. and all you can say is "who cares"? what are we talking about anyway? pag sure wui.


I don't know if you guys noticed.. but we are talking in circles. especially those who are anti-Herbalife. so its no surprise that my replies are pretty much the same as when i started posted here. care to post something new?

[ncmknight]

wahahahaha. ikaw nlang pag CEO sa Herbalife bro para ikaw magbuot sa prices.

i believe i already posted some videos of Herbalife product users the products work on them... losing/gaining weight and gaining back their health for P30.00 is pretty cheap.



Herbalife is a Network "Marketing" business. Marketing = selling products. duh......



he died. duh... the history of Herbalife goes like this... Mark Hugh's mother died coz of abnormal diet. thats why he founded Herbalife so that no one will suffer the same fate as her mother's.

if you're saying Mark Hughes died because of Herbalife products then all of Herbalife distributors would be dead by now including me would we? but im still posting here so yeah... I'm pretty much alive.

LOL? you're last post said about advertisement and and i gave you about Beckham's Jersey.. and all you can say is "who cares"? what are we talking about anyway? pag sure wui.


I don't know if you guys noticed.. but we are talking in circles. especially those who are anti-Herbalife. so its no surprise that my replies are pretty much the same as when i started posted here. care to post something new?

Di ko magbuot oi. Nganong magkainteres gud ko anang produktong mapalit ug barato, nya ibaligyag pwerteng mahala. Supplement man na. Di man na pwede ipamahaw ipaniudto ipanihapon. Wa lang siguro mo gi-briefing ug tarong ana. Saon, puro man pagpadaghan sa distributors ang diskusyon sa tapok-tapok gud.

Sellling products? Hmmmm..... 28 years, and still, mga members ray nakaila. Usa ka member, pila ka distributors equivalent ana? Morag ang mga tawo ra man magtapok sa inyong opisina ang nagkagubot kay pwerteng sikata ang Herbalife.

About ni Mark Hughes, basahag tarong akong comment bro. Morag gawas sa grossly overpriced ang produkto, grossly misunderstood pa gyud akong punto Asa man sa akong post niingon ko namatay si Hughes tungod sa Herbalife? I thought makatabang ang Herbalife niya bisan sa iyang kabisyoso kay effective man kaha ning mga produktoha.

Who cares about the Herbalife printed on his jersey anyway? Kadto rang members I'm sure about that Of course makanotice gyud ang members kay mao ra gud ilang atangan, dili ang soccer. It satisfies their ego nga makakita nga "ui! Herbalife!"

I do hope the trend starts with you, nga MAS MODAGHAN ANG CONSUMERS KAYSA DISTRIBUTORS, because the way it goes, Herbalife is no different from those you have identified as scams. Distributors simply cannot push the product by itself. They need to recruit and recruit. Which in reality, is the only way to survive in Herbalife, and for any MLM.

[Gray_Fox]

Di ko magbuot oi. Nganong magkainteres gud ko anang produktong mapalit ug barato, nya ibaligyag pwerteng mahala. Supplement man na. Di man na pwede ipamahaw ipaniudto ipanihapon. Wa lang siguro mo gi-briefing ug tarong ana. Saon, puro man pagpadaghan sa distributors ang diskusyon sa tapok-tapok gud.

obviously you dont know the products ug obviously wala nka apil sa among briefings and trainings since dli ka member or a customer. so its better kung dli nalng ka magpataka ug comments about Herbalife products.

FYI: Formula 1 Nutritional Shake is food. not a supplement.

Sellling products? Hmmmm..... 28 years, and still, mga members ray nakaila. Usa ka member, pila ka distributors equivalent ana? Morag ang mga tawo ra man magtapok sa inyong opisina ang nagkagubot kay pwerteng sikata ang Herbalife.

opinion ra nah nimo bro. how would you know? nka apil ka sa Herbalife? obviously wala.

Who cares about the Herbalife printed on his jersey anyway? Kadto rang members I'm sure about that Of course makanotice gyud ang members kay mao ra gud ilang atangan, dili ang soccer. It satisfies their ego nga makakita nga "ui! Herbalife!"

bro, kung member nka, why would you want to watch the jersey kung kabalo nka what is Herbalife is all about? hmmm....i guess wala ni nasulod nga thought sa imoha noh? hehehe...

its an advertisment bro. klaro ana.

you said earlier that ang Herbalife has money to sponsor LA Galaxy and yet you don't believe its comming from the products. asa man diay nila kuhaa ang kwarta bro.... nangawat sila sa reserve gold sa US? or gi magic? hehe. huna hunaa ug tarong bro. remember, naa ta sa real life ron. wala ta sa fantasy. dli makit-an ang kwarta sa mga dan nga imong gi agi-an ra. you have to work for it.

I do hope the trend starts with you, nga MAS MODAGHAN ANG CONSUMERS KAYSA DISTRIBUTORS, because the way it goes, Herbalife is no different from those you have identified as scams. Distributors simply cannot push the product by itself. They need to recruit and recruit. Which in reality, is the only way to survive in Herbalife, and for any MLM.

it doesn't matter kung asa ang mo daghan its either customers or the distributors. Herbalife's goal is to help people who wants to lose/gain weight and regain back their health. its as simple as that.

like i said... kung walay au ang products as what you said... wala na unta Herbalife ron. kung daghan nag complain sa Herbalife Products, then close down na unta ang company. and yet more people are still using them everyday because ingon ana ka effective ang products. ayaw lisod lisura imong utok ug huna² bro. naa ra dha ang tubag sa imong atubangan pero ang problema ninyo kay naa mo nag tan-aw sa layo.

[jonz]

I suggest these sir:

Do a google search of MLM, its benefits and the scams and possible scams it will possibly become, and the truths and deceptions behind every MLM.

Then do an informal inquiry about some of your friends. I am sure some of them have joined MLM in the past. And most especially, ask those who are active about the LENGTH OF TIME they have been in the company, whether 1 one month or 2 years really matters. If you can, study the system too. There will always be things in common.

very well said ncmknight
you ask the peson who succed knang dugay na ng MLM in one company only dili balhin2x coz wala ny intergrity,kna ni abot na cya 6+ years ba ask that person....if you want to be a lawyer of course you aska the person who arestudying it and better those who pass the board exam and they will gave you the right answer, if you ask the person who fail for sure 90% he wil gave you negative answers...... sa legit nga MLM not sa scam kng scam wala pdyd ni succed ana. if legit to iya g apilan nya ni wala cya ni succed either he will tell you its not working or wala cya time ky busy cya thats y wala cya ni succed or kapuyan cya..........you dont have to try network marketing, it will try you asa ka kutob.

if system, just make sure its not binary. balance2x, left and right pyramid dydna klaro.... then pakton ka cheque ug sticker sa sakyanan.. binuang dydna......study dyd sa system.. it doesnt mean ang ng una dyd ang ms daku kita.. it should be fair.........its not a race its a marathon....

[HenryLiwanag]

unfortunately most filipinos are lazy and are easily seduced by the fast money and big houses and cars. for the least amount of work.

MLM companies that push product and not recruitment for profit are the REAL business, anything that says

hey if u get 2 people and pair them up and make money ! thats a scam. such business only have products for show

This one, i agree. Many sa mga nailad were those who focused on the money. They did not even ask the right questions before they joined. Kwarta ra jud ilang gi tan-aw not the company track record and the quality of the products being marketed. Ang uban, wala jud products puro recruitement fee lang, in dollars pa jud

[lejean]

When we say Networking or MLM lain jud paminaw sa mga tawo who have known friends and colleagues who have failed and lost their money.

Kato uban nga they often called "open-minded" people, they will never say bad about networking or mlm kay nabuhi man sila ana. Ilaha pud na linyaha. Post og ad or sa newspaper, work from home, earn from phone etc, then number ra nakabutang to call them. Why dili man ibutang ang name sa company when advertise? Is it because kay basin mu ingon sila sa name, ofcourse walay manawag kay maybe walay nakaila sa company or known ang company nga dghan ang na frustrated. Ngano man lage na legitimate companies i-post lage na ila name when looking for workers?

They have this so-called traditional business then i-compare daun na sa networkers nga kung mgtraditional biz ka gamay ra mo income and daku expenses etc. Atleast, kung ma down ang traditional biz tag-iya ra jud sad-an and msakpan pa nimo sya. Kung networking or MLM, kadghan sa mga tawo and lisud i-pinpoint if unsa gane mahitabo, and if ever ma down ang business luoy au to bag-o ge recruit, they can't get back their investment.

Yes, these so-called companies have the promising future to share especially kana gpang-recruit. But how many of the many recruits have successfully and are satisfied in joining the company. Lisud naman gud kung money ang involved kay grabe na au ang impact.

Networking man sad ang traditional biz, contacting clients or customers even having the employees sort of form sa network.. from a line of network of friends or relatives etc. Pero atleast kane klase sa networking there is no hidden agenda so to speak. Ang applicant mo apply mahimo employee, he was recruited same ana call center agents ron, atleast apply sya, take sya exam, then spend ra sya money sa mga papers like nbi clearance, etc...but empleyado naman sya sa company with benefits pa jud. Atleast it does not a couple of thousands of pesos to join and work from home style.. selling products..

the products are expensive and effective daw?? nganu mahal mana sya? why a regular filipino who is obese cannot avail of such product very easily not unless na-a sya 2,000+ or more to buy that shake. Mahal sya kay tungod sa shipment, manufacturing costs plus ang commission d-i sa mga dghan tawo sa linya, asa man d-i kuha-a ofcourse sa selling of products and even sa payment sa newly recruited people.

Come to think of it, pai-bogon ka sa check, pics sa houses, og sakyanan. Is that your way of enticing people to join? Mao d-i ne ang duwa ane klaseha sa negosyo. Ngano man lage na si Henry Sy, si Lucio Tan, datu lage na sila. Kasugakod lage sila sa ilaha biz. La mana sila nag MLM, traditional biz mana sila. Till now they are still up and still expanding.

The famous "forever living" na company, musta naman ne sya ron? La au ko dungog mga recruiters ane na company da. kasagaran kay herbalife, kana mga loading etc. kana load in 1 sim style, og other health supplements na company. Ngano kailangan man kuno mg-recruit2x when the company can hire employees here in the philippines to do the marketing, selling and distribution in the pharmacies, and other health stores.

Anyways, kato na datu sa mlm or networking maau sad ninyo. kato kagawason na sa mga networking companies may you see the light. Kato nag traditional biz hinay2x lang you will definitely get your goals.

[Gray_Fox]

Kato uban nga they often called "open-minded" people, they will never say bad about networking or mlm kay nabuhi man sila ana. Ilaha pud na linyaha. Post og ad or sa newspaper, work from home, earn from phone etc, then number ra nakabutang to call them. Why dili man ibutang ang name sa company when advertise? Is it because kay basin mu ingon sila sa name, ofcourse walay manawag kay maybe walay nakaila sa company or known ang company nga dghan ang na frustrated. Ngano man lage na legitimate companies i-post lage na ila name when looking for workers?

simple ra kaau ni bro. bsan dri nga thread... how many people read about mga MLM nga gi daut? FYI: not all MLM are illegal but because of some netowrking and MLM scams, of course kung nka dungog nka ana, then why bother mo ad2 pa ka? where as kung ad2 nka mkabalo tanan that the business is Legit that operates 66 countires worldwide and has 28 yrs of experience of business, then of course ma usab jud imong panan-aw. and like i said, in the end.. it the people's decision that matters after giving the orientation. we dont force or rush them.

They have this so-called traditional business then i-compare daun na sa networkers nga kung mgtraditional biz ka gamay ra mo income and daku expenses etc. Atleast, kung ma down ang traditional biz tag-iya ra jud sad-an and msakpan pa nimo sya. Kung networking or MLM, kadghan sa mga tawo and lisud i-pinpoint if unsa gane mahitabo, and if ever ma down ang business luoy au to bag-o ge recruit, they can't get back their investment.

Yes, these so-called companies have the promising future to share especially kana gpang-recruit. But how many of the many recruits have successfully and are satisfied in joining the company. Lisud naman gud kung money ang involved kay grabe na au ang impact.

these are only applicable to non-legit MLM businesses.

the products are expensive and effective daw?? nganu mahal mana sya? why a regular filipino who is obese cannot avail of such product very easily not unless na-a sya 2,000+ or more to buy that shake. Mahal sya kay tungod sa shipment, manufacturing costs plus ang commission d-i sa mga dghan tawo sa linya, asa man d-i kuha-a ofcourse sa selling of products and even sa payment sa newly recruited people.

you're talking about Herbalife right? P2,000 is way too expensive for a shake bro. pls. research before you post. or ikaw ra sad ma uwawan.

Come to think of it, pai-bogon ka sa check, pics sa houses, og sakyanan. Is that your way of enticing people to join? Mao d-i ne ang duwa ane klaseha sa negosyo.

i dont know sa uban MLM but in Herbalife, we show our old and new lifestyles. and in the end, we always say that "We are not here to brag about them but we are showing you pics on what we were and what we are now. this is just the way to show you that if we can do it, so can you." and those pictures are true so, whats the big deal out of it?

The famous "forever living" na company, musta naman ne sya ron? La au ko dungog mga recruiters ane na company da.

i have no idea. I've never been to Forever Living.

kasagaran kay herbalife, kana mga loading etc. kana load in 1 sim style, og other health supplements na company. Ngano kailangan man kuno mg-recruit2x when the company can hire employees here in the philippines to do the marketing, selling and distribution in the pharmacies, and other health stores.

sa Herbalife, simple, if you're a member, here are some of the advantages...
1.) you'll get a discount from 25% - 50%
2.) you can earn money by selling the products. you can do this part time or full time.
3.) you can fly outside the Philippines like we did last time. we went to Thailand. this month we will go to China. so yeah... i dont know about you guys but we think of it as an ultimate advantage for us.

bottom line is we encourage everyone to become a member so they can avail these stuffs.