Prayer for the Dead

[SPIKE_CSA]

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di ka kagwanta atong akong mga proof? ngita man kag lain HAHAHAHAHA undang dayon kay wa na man kay ikasukol nga texto! HAHAHAHAHA intawn pod. layo na kaau kag nalagput kay wa na kay ikabuga...sugod palang sa oral tradition kay shot naka sa kanal! hahahahhahahahahah

wahahaha pastilan makita na tanan ebidensiya diri sa forum ug makita sad na imong mga patakataka ug interpret ug verse.

ingna nlng gud nga wala jud kay proof.. wahahah akong balikon nga wala pajud tao karon sa langit. sa ato pa walay gamit inyong prayer for the dead. period. wahahha

[botslob]

wahahaha pastilan makita na tanan ebidensiya diri sa forum ug makita sad na imong mga patakataka ug interpret ug verse.

ingna nlng gud nga wala jud kay proof.. wahahah akong balikon nga wala pajud tao karon sa langit. sa ato pa walay gamit inyong prayer for the dead. period. wahahha

HAHAHAHA...ASA MAN? ibutang nato nga sipyat ko sa akong interpretaion sa mga verses (questionable pa ni)...mas arang arang nalang na keysa MAMAKAK! lies after lies after lies...di ba si satanas man ang father of lies? ikaw diay o...anak ka niya? hahahahaha

[aztina888]

wahahaha basing sa imong mata wahahahaha maski pa "basing" ang word imong gamiton lagpas gihapon kaau aztina.... imagine basing hell and demons to angels and heaven? wahahaha kalooy intawn nimo patuga tuga ka man ug apil diri oi

wow koya churi loser yaya!! ahahaha kinsa man nag ingon na nag base ko sa heaven ang angels to hell and demon.. hayz. again koya analyze sa ta before mag minarunong ok.. ahahaha

read my post again para di ka mapalaw ahahaha wow you should stop pretending part hehehehe

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bro ang tao nga mamatay adto na paingon sa paradise if buotan gyud siya then inig balik ni Christ kuhaon na sila didto tanan sa paradise ug e change ilang body to uncorruptible,immortal ug unya dad-on na sila didto sa heaven kay mao man na ang promise ni Jesus Christ nga mobalik siya.

ug ang tao daotan. adto na siya paingon sa hades inig kamatay niya. ug inig balik ni Christ ihagbong dayon to sila tanan sa hell ug kuyog na ang mga demons...

mao na na nga time nga we will all live in eternity....


ug tinood jud na nga karon wala pa ni exist ang hell kay naa pa daghan demons diri karon ug ang usa sa proof ana kanang naa sa matthew 8:29 nga ang demon mismo niingon ni Christ nga "do you come here to torment us before the appointed time?"

nakahibaw ang demon mismo nga naay appointed time nga sila e torment... pero dili pa karon.

okey bro.. so ang paradise dili pa diay na ang heaven, then ang hades dili pa jud diay na ang hell.
when the time comes nga mobalik na si Christ, that's the time nga dad-on ang naa sa paradise to heaven and ang tua sa hades ihulog sa hell uban sa mga demons..

lahi jud kaayo sa pagtoo namong nga katoliko.. but thanks for the info though....

[botslob]

ingna nlng gud nga wala jud kay proof.. wahahah akong balikon nga wala pajud tao karon sa langit. sa ato pa walay gamit inyong prayer for the dead. period. wahahha

sus nagkalata ang proof spikoy...sulti lang kay tagaan tikag texto usa ka baril diay sample o:

In Roman Catholicism

The essential joy of heaven is called the beatific vision, which is derived from the vision of God's essence. The soul rests perfectly in God, and does not, or cannot desire anything else than God. After the Last Judgment, when the soul is reunited with its body, the body participates in the happiness of the soul. It becomes incorruptible, glorious and perfect. Any physical defects the body may have laboured under are erased.

The Roman Catholic teaching regarding Heaven is found in the Catechism of the Catholic Church: "Those who die (generally understood as physical death as opposed to "body level," ego identity) in God's grace and friendship and are perfectly purified, live forever (defined as immortality of the body as opposed to eternal aliveness in the psychological sense). This perfect (divine) life with [God] (Father Deity rather than concept of "perfect goodness") is called heaven. [It] is the ultimate end and fulfilment of the deepest human longings, the state of supreme, definitive happiness, full aliveness. The Catholic Church teaches that only those baptized by water (symbol of purification/internal cleansing), blood (symbol of martyrdom), or desire (explicit or implicit desire for purification) may enter heaven and those who have died in a state of grace may enter heaven.[12]

Upon dying, each soul goes to what is called "the particular judgement" where its own afterlife is decided (i.e. Heaven after Purgatory, straight to Heaven, or Hell.) This is different from "the general judgement" also known as "the Last judgement" which will occur when Christ returns to judge all the living and the dead.

It is a common Roman Catholic belief that St. Michael the Archangel carries the soul to Heaven. The belief that Saint Peter meets the soul at the "Pearly Gates" is an artistic application of the belief that Christ gave Peter, believed by Catholics to be the first Pope, the keys to Heaven.

As Heaven is a place where only the pure are permitted, no person who dies in a state of sin can enter Heaven. "Those who die in God's grace and friendship and are perfectly purified live for ever with Christ. They are like God for ever, for they "see Him as he is," face to face." (Catechism of the Catholic Church §1023) "Those who die in God's grace and friendship imperfectly purified, although they are assured of their eternal salvation, undergo a purification after death, so as to achieve the holiness necessary to enter the joy of God." (Catechism of the Catholic Church §1054)

If one were baptized validly and then died, one would go directly to heaven (in the Roman Catholic belief, the sacrament of baptism dissolves the eternal and temporal punishment of all sins). If one never committed a mortal sin and were absolved of all his venial sins just before death, one would go directly to Heaven.

Most people who enter Heaven do so through Purgatory (or "place of purification"). In Purgatory, a soul pays off all temporal punishment one deserved for the sins he committed in life. This does not always happen though. If one receives the Sacrament of Penance validly, as well as gains a plenary indulgence, and dies, one would directly go to heaven. There are many ways to get an indulgence, in various Papal decrees or publications[13]. To receive a plenary indulgence, one must receive the sacrament of Confession validly, do one's penance, validly receive Communion, say some specified number of Lord's Prayers, Angelic Salutations and Minor Doxologies for the intentions of the Pope, and then perform some act of gaining the indulgence. Of course, one must remain free from all sin, mortal and venial, while doing all these things. (SOURCE: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heaven)

NGITA PA KA LAIN? HAHAHAHAHA

[SPIKE_CSA]

hahahaha...mas magic na inyoha kay kalit lang kawagtang kay "rapture" daw!!! Twing! HAHAHAHAHA

basaha sa to dong...ayaw sigeg pagarpar diha kay pirmi lang ka shot sa kanal diha HAHAHAHAH

wahahaha niliko nasad pero tubagon tika.. tinood ng rapture basaha ang gisuwat ni St. paul dodong. ikaw ang nag sige ug pagarpar dira patuga tuga ka lng wahahaha

1 thessalonians 4:17

Then we who are alive and remain will be caught up in the clouds together with them to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever.

[aztina888]

hala wala pa d.i heaven ug hell? so kung mamatay ta sa "PARADISE" pa ta din mu resurrect para ma finalize kung sa heaven or hell ta mu padung.. hmm taaaaaas d.i ang proseso noh.. hihihihihi
dli nlng jud tawgun ug heaven ang paradise. paradise lang jud xa ahahaha fine fine.. paradise. naa na sa south dapit hidden paradise ahahahaha

[SPIKE_CSA]

HAHAHAHA...ASA MAN? ibutang nato nga sipyat ko sa akong interpretaion sa mga verses (questionable pa ni)...mas arang arang nalang na keysa MAMAKAK! lies after lies after lies...di ba si satanas man ang father of lies? ikaw diay o...anak ka niya? hahahahaha

wahahaha kalooy mamutang mutang nlng ug sala sa uban.... diin man ko mamakak? e post kuno i challenged you.

ikaw siguro ang anak ni satanas kay kusog kaayo mamutang mutang ug sala sa uban wahahaha liwat gyud kang lucifer wahaha

[SPIKE_CSA]

okey bro.. so ang paradise dili pa diay na ang heaven, then ang hades dili pa jud diay na ang hell.
when the time comes nga mobalik na si Christ, that's the time nga dad-on ang naa sa paradise to heaven and ang tua sa hades ihulog sa hell uban sa mga demons..

lahi jud kaayo sa pagtoo namong nga katoliko.. but thanks for the info though....

yes bro mao na.. kay if ang mga saints nga nangamatay tua na sa heaven whats the purpose nganong mobalik paman si Jesus Christ sa earth if tua naman diay sila didto?

and also it will contradict sa giingon ni st. paul nga ang tanan tao will be changed from corruptible to INCORRUPTIBLE... from mortality to IMMORTALITY.. and that will happen inig balik pa ni Christ... when the last trumphet will sound...


also if ni exist pa ang hell karon... nganong naa paman daghan demons sa earth? nganong naa paman mga tao ma possess sa demons? if ni exist unta ang hell karon dapat na tormented na sila with fire diba?


also, nganong niingon man ang demons sa matthew 8:29 nga "DO YOU COME HERE TO TORMENT US BEFORE THE APPOINTED TIME?"

[botslob]

wahahaha kalooy mamutang mutang nlng ug sala sa uban.... diin man ko mamakak? e post kuno i challenged you.

PA CHALLENGE CHALLENGE PA! HAHAHAH...tan-awa daw na akong gipang post. Gikan pa na sa oral traditions nga imong gipang bakak! well...naa may giignon: naa ba guy bakakon moankon sa iyang bakak? hihihihihi

ikaw siguro ang anak ni satanas kay kusog kaayo mamutang mutang ug sala sa uban wahahaha liwat gyud kang lucifer wahaha

ang buhat sa amahan sa pamakak maoy buhat sa iyang anak...ok ra na spikey di ka moankon sa imong pagkabakakon kay nature man na ninyo ni taning hahahahaha

pero wa kay mahimo kay EXPOSE NA KAAYO DIRE IMONG MGA BAKAK hihihihi. di man na ikalimod bisag subayon pa ang thread hihihihi