Cebu Velez College student killed in clash between Army and rebels

[The_Child]

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We wouldn't be living the world we live in today, if Paul Revere didn't have the passion to ride his horse during his historic "midnight run". We wouldn't be living the world we live in today, if Maximilien Robespierre didn't have the passion to move the French people towards revolution. Heck, you wouldn't even see Cebu as you see it now, if a lowly carpenter who hails from Nazareth didn't have the passion to spread his teachings, of what he believed in, in what he felt ought to have been right, during his oppressive generation of Roman conquest (now...stop and think for a minute...can you imagine Cebu without Christian Churches? Can you imagine Cebu without Catholism or Christianity? What could it be like? And think...think...this is all the doing of ONE passionate person).

During the period when people like Paul and Timothy were roaming around in Greco-Judean world, spreading what they believed in, with passion, the Romans who kept arresting them said "This Christianity you're spreading around will change the world you say? What a delusion." Yet look what has happened to what they thought was a mere "delusion"?

I can cite many more examples but they'll probably be just empty words to the point I'm trying to make, and that point is this--one generation's seemingly bloodthirsty terrorist may be another generation's hero--that man from Nazareth was considered a "terrorist" during his lifetime, and that is why he was punished, he was crucified, a punishment given to criminals--terrorism is a crime (wouldn't you consider someone who preached "a new kingdom will come, and destroy this old one" at the mall as a lunatic and possible terrorist?)

Every one's "world view" of what is right and wrong, is temporary--it is a need that arises because human beings always feel the need for order and civility. But you are mistaken if you feel that your "ideal" or "world order" is permanent. No...your so-called societal norms and morals are fleeting--the universe that we inhabit is a very big place, and we don't even know if we are equipped with the ability and capacity to know everything, yet we constantly try to appease ourselves and delight in the fact that with the knowledge that we have, we seem to be in control, because of all these norms we have put out before us.

Your current definition of societal norms might be acceptable for now, and will be acceptable for some time, but it will eventually be replaced by another, and this new norm will be far less comfy than what you feel ought to be comfy. And hidden within the folds of such dramatic changes, lies the passion and yearning of the individuals who yearn to see that such changes be fulfilled. Such is the nature of nature--the only permanent thing are the fires of change, and passion is what feeds that fire.

-RODION

-Your guilty of historical hindsight. It would be unfair to make value judgements in history from the point of perspective of the present.

- INUS. Insufficient Necessity, Unnecessary Sufficiency. Robespierre, who was later became a victim of Mdm. Guillotine too, is not a sufficient necessity to cause the discovery of Cebu. and your other attempts to connect historical causes in a linear fashion has an insufficient logical connection.

- Can i imagine Cebu without Christian Churches? now being a hypothetical question, demands a hypothetical answer- yes! i can imagine.

-one passionate person. An attempt to compare the Christ with the negros incident is in my opinion quite blasphemous. But that does not matter. Using your own argument, allow me then to say that it is history is that great judiciary that decides. Christ now is considered to be the Christ the messiah of a billion people around the world, compare that to the negros incident. Was it not also the passionate people of upper echelons, perhaps those in Utrecht who ordered the Kampanyan Ahos? Passion. Passion.

-Passion for Truth is different from Passion of some seeming truth.

-Societal norms indeed. But there is such thing as a Truth that transcends society, history and culture. Unless of course your passion is that which reflects a Universal truth, you end up as a stigma in human history.

- Christ's was a Universal Truth, Marx's is a truth. 2000 years after Christ, his teaching is still embraced in academic circles. 100 years after Marx's truth, even his academic disciples are moving away from him. Such thing as Neomarxism and the Critical Theory are examples of this, they have changed marx so much, and yet they remain to be the closest school of thought that continues to embrace some vestiges of marx.


-passion and fires of change committed by deluded individuals, are mere pawns to the great scheme of things. they are not the catalysts as you want to believe, it is those who sent them to the pyres that becomes the catalysts for change, whether for the good or the bad. The causalties of a Cause, the rank and file of the frontline, are nothing but the lower creatures that are expendable. mere pawns. Such is why, i do not believe in such sacrifices, because i value the individual more than the institutions that drives them towards the road to perdition.

- there are fleeting things. but by saying that there is no such thing as permanent moral or ideal is in itself trying to brush itself from the crowd of "truth" to become the TRUTH that governs some of the truths you considered fleeting. Your logic become contradictory in the end.

[rodsky]

-Your guilty of historical hindsight. It would be unfair to make value judgements in history from the point of perspective of the present.

- INUS. Insufficient Necessity, Unnecessary Sufficiency. Robespierre, who was later became a victim of Mdm. Guillotine too, is not a sufficient necessity to cause the discovery of Cebu. and your other attempts to connect historical causes in a linear fashion has an insufficient logical connection.

- Can i imagine Cebu without Christian Churches? now being a hypothetical question, demands a hypothetical answer- yes! i can imagine.

-one passionate person. An attempt to compare the Christ with the negros incident is in my opinion quite blasphemous. But that does not matter. Using your own argument, allow me then to say that it is history is that great judiciary that decides. Christ now is considered to be the Christ the messiah of a billion people around the world, compare that to the negros incident. Was it not also the passionate people of upper echelons, perhaps those in Utrecht who ordered the Kampanyan Ahos? Passion. Passion.

-Passion for Truth is different from Passion of some seeming truth.

-Societal norms indeed. But there is such thing as a Truth that transcends society, history and culture. Unless of course your passion is that which reflects a Universal truth, you end up as a stigma in human history.

- Christ's was a Universal Truth, Marx's is a truth. 2000 years after Christ, his teaching is still embraced in academic circles. 100 years after Marx's truth, even his academic disciples are moving away from him. Such thing as Neomarxism and the Critical Theory are examples of this, they have changed marx so much, and yet they remain to be the closest school of thought that continues to embrace some vestiges of marx.


-passion and fires of change committed by deluded individuals, are mere pawns to the great scheme of things. they are not the catalysts as you want to believe, it is those who sent them to the pyres that becomes the catalysts for change, whether for the good or the bad. The causalties of a Cause, the rank and file of the frontline, are nothing but the lower creatures that are expendable. mere pawns. Such is why, i do not believe in such sacrifices, because i value the individual more than the institutions that drives them towards the road to perdition.

- there are fleeting things. but by saying that there is no such thing as permanent moral or ideal is in itself trying to brush itself from the crowd of "truth" to become the TRUTH that governs some of the truths you considered fleeting. Your logic become contradictory in the end.

Admittedly, my logic may be flawed, and I won't be surprised at this, crossing swords with someone who is obviously much learned than I am, in these matters. But do be aware that receiving such a lengthy reparte from you, by my illogical views, is somewhat delightful and a reward in itself. It tells me that intellect is very well alive and very much healthy, in these boards. And by that I believe my efforts to eek out the more articulate and the ones with more substance, have finally come to fruition Touché sir.

-RODION

[nilo_pepito]

rodsky: convincing gyud kaayo kag mga words da sige mo join nalang ko nimo asa manko ma assign sa negros saman

[melvenb]

mind you everything you do is based on your idealism.

True. However, I dont use and express my ideas thru shouting on the streets, brainwashing people, going against the government and vandalizing (tan.awa ng mga island sa Jones, daghan kay'g vandals ana inyong mga kaliwat nga activists. Maka-achieve ba mo og reform in the government through that??). .

[radiostar]

True. However, I dont use and express my ideas thru shouting on the streets, brainwashing people, going against the government and vandalizing (tan.awa ng mga island sa Jones, daghan kay'g vandals ana inyong mga kaliwat nga activists. Maka-achieve ba mo og reform in the government through that??). .

should we limit ourself to what the state is dictating to us?

[melvenb]

should we limit ourself to what the state is dictating to us?

is the state dictating us what to do if the state did, then there will be no rallies on the streets..

[giddyboy]

ang problema man gud karon is if you stick to your beliefs and go against the system, you are either branded as a leftist or a trouble maker. ang mga idealistic karon are being ostracized by the society. lisod kaayo mag idealistic karong panahona, ang mga tawo gusto lang mosunod sa mainstream, follow the flow, sakay-sakay. they probably thought that it's the best way.

good post bro.

it is OK if u stick to ur beliefs but u have to be considerate enough to the environ around u and calculate risks. yes, u may go against the system that u think went wrong but ur means of action should be thought twice, or even thrice so that by doing so, w/ finesse, u could influence people and win friends, and not the other way around. Otherwise, u will be branded as a trouble-maker or a radical (negative) leader. That's Dale Carnegie 101.

I beg to disagree on ur notion about being idealistic. It doesn't mean kung ga sakay sakay or go w/ the flow ka, u don't have ur own idealism in one way or another. Coz it doesn't need one to always go against the flow to become idealistic. For example, if the system flow is to the right, what if ur idealism is too.

Coz "Idealism" transcends the left-right political spectrum.

AFAIK, we all have some sort of varying idealisms in us: Perfection, Pursuit of the attainable goals, Aspiring or living in accordance with the high values or principles.

and sometimes, ur Idealism may find itself in opposition to ur Realism.

anyways, i believe my discussion is going very broad na to the brink of going OT...hehe

[Jerry Michael]

Sun.Star Cebu - Speak out: Rachelle’s ideals

Thursday, September 25, 2008
Speak out: Rachelle’s ideals
By Nono Makisig

RACHELLE Mae Palang. An activist, a friend and a nurse.

She was an activist because she believed that Philippine society won’t progress if we are being choked by foreign masters.

She also believed there should be land for the tillers, and employment and education for all.

This was her belief and the reason we became friends.

Months ago, she passed the nursing board exam and was happy to achieve one of her dreams.

But I knew that was not the hardest exam of her life, that there is the difficult question: "Alang kang kinsa ko?"

Her answer to that question could be gleaned from her actions. She poured her energy, skill and intellect not for herself or the few but for the oppressed.

On Sept. 22, 2008, reports identified her as one of those killed in an encounter between the NPA and military. The latter tagged her as a rebel. I don't care.

But there are paid-mercenaries of the Arroyo regime who use their guns to kill people. They abduct and torture, and have a long record of terrorist acts.

They did it to Cris Hugo, Ambo Guran and hundreds of other victims of extra-judicial killings.

At the end of the day, however, there is the reality that Rachelle is gone. I have to pursue her ideals. I have to raise my fist.

To stop is to betray Rachelle.

[dimasaliw]

Sun.Star Cebu - Speak out: Rachelle Mae, R.N.

is this the ONLY memorial they can offer their befallen comrade? what a shame!

well my dear sir. i think you should think twice. maybe you did not attend her funeral? she has written her name in histroy and she will forever be given honor by people who know that there is a problem with our society.

tell me what have you done? will you ever get the same memorial that she was given that even farmers would remember her name and family and friends would have a smile just remembering her?

i don't think so. as far as i can see, right now all that you could ever do is talk.

and the thing is ur talking back against a woman. she may be dead but shes better than you.

ummmm... what have you ever done?

[GemWArrioR]

well my dear sir. i think you should think twice. maybe you did not attend her funeral? she has written her name in histroy and she will forever be given honor by people who know that there is a problem with our society.

tell me what have you done? will you ever get the same memorial that she was given that even farmers would remember her name and family and friends would have a smile just remembering her?

i don't think so. as far as i can see, right now all that you could ever do is talk.

and the thing is ur talking back against a woman. she may be dead but shes better than you.

ummmm... what have you ever done?

Well at least i will not used a gun if i ever want to voice out my concern in our government. I will glady join any NGO's that really help the poor. Not like this activist.