Who caused MORE damage to the country, ERAP OR GMA? Why?

[FK]

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What I am talking about is , naka dungog ba mo sa gi play na ACTUAL TAPE na gi gamit sa pag wiretap ? Naa na man gani ringtones ani ug CD ... so credibility is very low unless ang genuine tape imong nadunggan.

nope... why? coz the government won't allow it... again why won't they allow it? because wiretapped conversation kono sa presidente... then let's hear it if indeed it has nothing to hide and if it is different from the ones available in the NET. but again they won't coz for all they know it is the same.

and btw Bunye tried to creatE his own version just trying to prove that the conversation did not occur... that says a lot.

Like what TOLSTOI said inyo gibasol si PGMA sa ekonomiya karon .... its not her fault but the people who are trying to oust her and grab power from her . Kana siya ang BS na ako gipasabot .

Should we also blame ERAPs opposition b4 for making a lot of mess to our economy in that year?

Because on LACSONS case ... it was never proven ... but just because di ninyo ma prove si PGMA , she is automatically compared to Lacson na GUILTY unless proven innocent . Unlike ERAP ... sobra pa man sa GUILTY siya.

paki-klaro ko ani nga statement bai... what do you mean Lacsons case was never proven... you mean Lacson is guilty unless proven innocent? Â*But it could not be applied to GMA?

It was trassh because the TECHNICALITY in there was no enough grounds and basis at all . mao bitaw ninguha na pod cguro na ang opposition ug maayong PLAN B kay ang PLAN A palpak man .

the reason of the congressman for voting out the impeachment is that they did not found enough ground but just a mere technicality that another complaint was filed before. pero ang uban kay ni pirma kay they found enough grounds.

UNless you keep on repeating issues na dugay na pod natubag bai ... then questions will be also repeated.

i believe there are certain points nga nagbalik2x na ta... pero sa pag-abot sa question kong onsa ako gibasihan ngano naka-ingon ko si GMA guilty, ang tubag ra jud nga madawat nako is the same...
- Nya kinsa man imo ipuli.
- Kinsa man ang wala nanikas.
- Kinsa man ang dili corrupt.
- Adto na lang sa lesser evil.

Because they dont want to waste time . Mura gud ug gipasanginlan ka ug nahusay na ... why bother prove urself innocent ? Kay EGO ? Nope .. PGMA is more smarter than that much more has better things to do .

hahaha... that's why before they do all things just trying to prove that the conversation did not took place. but did they prove that it did not took place? naaaaaaahhhhhhh..........

If they failed .... oust n impeached na unta siya ... its the OPPOSITION who failed to make a good plan A in power grabbing .

I supposed you know how politics work... money talks... as for now the administration has lots of money.

[FK]

the reason why the court would not admit tape conversations as evidence is because it is prone to tampering and other manipulations...so you can't simply say that GMA commited massive fraud because of these tapes...my advice to the opposition is find a strong evidence..haul GARCILLANO in the courtroom

why can't I? we are not in the court and besides they did not prove that it was tampered and manipulated.

[Moshi Moshi]

Who CAUSED MORE DAMAGE TO THE COUNTRY, ERAP OR GMA? why?

More devastating damage will be done if left uncheck.

It is important to have "Check and Balances"

It is important to have "Government Transparency"

Our politicians have mutated from invoking their right against self incrimination to using the law to cover up wrongful deeds. "Just invoke EO 464" and the law stops from there. Above the Law?

Officials not answering questions, giving inconsistent answers and worst not attending hearings.

Non abiding "Public Officials" is a damage in the making.

[s.n.m.p.]

but again admissible or not... it still shows and proves that GMA committed massive fraud in the election.

the reason why the court would not admit tape conversations as evidence is because it is prone to tampering and other manipulations...so you can't simply say that GMA commited massive fraud because of these tapes...my advice to the opposition is find a strong evidence..haul GARCILLANO in the courtroom

Mao gani nga kinahanglan gyud ta na siya i impeach para ma timbang timbang ang ebidensya sa oposisyun kung lig-on ba. Sa korte man ta na mag da-ug.

Bad faith gyud si Cheat Executive. Di man gyud siya gusto nga ma imbestigar iyang pag ka Cheat Executive.

[bfg9000]

What tape ? Kadtong gi DOWNLOAD nimo sa internet ? LOLZ !

I never downloaded any tape. Did you? What I know of the contents of the tape came from reading the PCIJ Blog.

Like what tape wa splayed so PGMA can be excused ? A new one ? A new tape that says ...." walang dagdag" and " walang pagpapataas " ??

You're not making any sense. Maybe you should read my post again. Or perhaps it's beyond your capability.

Is that a factor u gave makes u think a LEADER is not EFFECTIVE ? SInsiyo ra na .... give her due credit and time to prove herself and dili kay puro hilak and yawyaw .

If para nimo it's a small issue, it was big enough for her cabinet secretaries to resign. So you feel you're more qualified than them to determine what's a big issue? What arrogance!

Dig deeper ... whats trash to me is a treasure for you and vice and versa . LIterally na pagsabot and assumptions is the mother of all fuct ups ra ba .

So you can dish out sarcasm but can't take it eh?

From what tape lage na ? From the tape that she wanted extra votes for FPJ and LACSON . Kabalo ka bai ... dont ask questions when you know the answers already .

You know, you keep sidestepping the issue of Garci and the tape by bringing up stupid jokes like GMA wanted to add votes to FPJ and Lacson. It just makes you look even more clueless.

Literal understanding means comprehension problems . Mao daghan miscommunications and misunderstandings then basolon dayon si PGMA basta naay problema . Sabta lage otherwise my next reply would be spoonfeeding already .

Again, bringing up the word "TAE" just isn't done in polite conversation. "Literal understanding" has nothing to do with it. Your lack of breeding does.

Anyway Springfield, it's already clear to me what kind of upbringing you have. So from now on just say whatever you want, from now on I will just ignore you as I won't stoop down to your level. There are many other forum members here who are much better debaters and can argue their points while remaining polite and civil, and without resorting to trash talk and meaningless chatter. You're not one of them.

[SPRINGFIELD_XD_40]

nope... why? coz the government won't allow it... again why won't they allow it? because wiretapped conversation kono sa presidente... then let's hear it if indeed it has nothing to hide and if it is different from the ones available in the NET. but again they won't coz for all they know it is the same.

mao lage na siya .... ALLOWED or NOT kung ang sources nimo is INTERNET then it is not credible . Them allowing or not is not the issue but ang crediility sa authenticity sa tape .

and btw Bunye tried to creatE his own version just trying to prove that the conversation did not occur... that says a lot.

Again BUNYE is not the issue . The issue is naay conversation nahitabo because PGMA personally admitted it but the real issue is ang contents sa tape. Bisan ang mga taga internet ga himo man ug ilang own na version pod sa tape .

Should we also blame ERAPs opposition b4 for making a lot of mess to our economy in that year?

NOPE .... it is a no contest at all . AT that time KLARO kaau to na ang ADMIN ang palpak .... even you can figure it out in a second as ERAP , the president of the Philippines . Pero i kumpara niom ang admin and opposition karon ... it is also a no contest at all .... it is all POWER GRABBING kay mga pildihan .

paki-klaro ko ani nga statement bai... what do you mean Lacsons case was never proven... you mean Lacson is guilty unless proven innocent? But it could not be applied to GMA?

Daghan ni float na issues about LACSON but noone can prove it .... pero .... PERO naa mga TAO na maka vouch sa authenticity sa issues against Lacson but they are not powerful enough para banggaon si Lacson . On PGMA's case .. she is INNOCENT base from the impeachment being TRASHED because of no basis at all .

the reason of the congressman for voting out the impeachment is that they did not found enough ground but just a mere technicality that another complaint was filed before. pero ang uban kay ni pirma kay they found enough grounds.

Hehehe bai ... sa akong opinion lang no .... bisan majority ang not enough grounds but naa gyud ni surfaced out na ENOUGH GROUNDS ... mo push through na oi ... her case is as serious as her responsibilities for the country .

i believe there are certain points nga nagbalik2x na ta... pero sa pag-abot sa question kong onsa ako gibasihan ngano naka-ingon ko si GMA guilty, ang tubag ra jud nga madawat nako is the same...
- Nya kinsa man imo ipuli.
- Kinsa man ang wala nanikas.
- Kinsa man ang dili corrupt.
- Adto na lang sa lesser evil.

Because ang tubag ana is kabalo na ka . TYpe their names lage so we can discuss about it . I know mo ingon ka si NOLI but dont you think mo last siya ? Kana cguro siya murag wala pa na siya nabalik na question .

hahaha... that's why before they do all things just trying to prove that the conversation did not took place. but did they prove that it did not took place? naaaaaaahhhhhhh..........

Ang issue lage is ang contents sa tape and not the conversation taking place .

I supposed you know how politics work... money talks... as for now the administration has lots of money.

Hehehe I assumed you are referring to the TAX MONEY used by the admin . Bai .... money and power goes hand in hand . Nahitabo lang na naay POWER ang ADMIN and naay MONEY ang opposition ... gi ismoltayman ka sa opposition ? It is just because they cant prove nothing against her because there accusations in the firstplace are baseless .

[SPRINGFIELD_XD_40]

I never downloaded any tape. Did you? What I know of the contents of the tape came from reading the PCIJ Blog.

OK di ka sa download na term , kadtong gipaminaw nimo sa website ?

You're not making any sense. Maybe you should read my post again. Or perhaps it's beyond your capability.

Because I said first that you have comprehension problems makes u counter it " its beyond my capabilities ? " LOLZ .... you are clearly implying that ni jump ka sa conclusions . Di na authenticated ang tape but you are using it as a medium . Unlike you ... you understand statements LITERALLY .

If para nimo it's a small issue, it was big enough for her cabinet secretaries to resign. So you feel you're more qualified than them to determine what's a big issue? What arrogance!

LOLZ ... like you also knew what their reasons why they resign . And why are also the majority stayed ? Ayaw lage padala sa EMOTIONS nimo because you watch and listen to the media as a medium .

So you can dish out sarcasm but can't take it eh?

I can take SARCASMS if it was meant as a SARCASM .. what you said was clear not . LITERAL na pagsabot ... just because I said TAE is vulgar makes you think , thats how I was brought up ? Heh pod ! Kasakit sa akong dughan .... gi ingnan ko ana LOLZ ! Ayaw lage pagkapa aron ingnon .

You know, you keep sidestepping the issue of Garci and the tape by bringing up stupid jokes like GMA wanted to add votes to FPJ and Lacson. It just makes you look even more clueless.

Â* Hahaha ... like the SHOES for PGMA because wants to be elevated thats wh she said yung DAGDAG ? Pagka niom gyud dodong .

Again, bringing up the word "TAE" just isn't done in polite conversation. "Literal understanding" has nothing to do with it. Your lack of breeding does.

LOLZ .. gi luod na ka ? How about calling someone a LAME DUCK ? Is that polite ? Unless mo think na pod ka na si PGMA naay FEATHERS ... get the drift ??

Anyway Springfield, it's already clear to me what kind of upbringing you have. So from now on just say whatever you want, from now on I will just ignore you as I won't stoop down to your level. There are many other forum members here who are much better debaters and can argue their points while remaining polite and civil, and without resorting to trash talk and meaningless chatter. You're not one of them.

Â* LOLZ .... ingna lang nabara^ ka ... why would you noy stoop down to my level when I dont know you and you dont know me ? Hahaha ..... ingna lang na kung ma corner ka ... AD HOMINEM dayon ka .... do what u need to do .... naa ra ko diri nagpahipi kaninyo tanan .

[tolstoi]

Should we also blame ERAPs opposition b4 for making a lot of mess to our economy in that year?

the Oppositon bloc during Erap's time [Pimentel, Legarda..etc] were not the one's causing the mess to our economy..actually it was them who liberated us from that mess..

the reason why the court would not admit tape conversations as evidence is because it is prone to tampering and other manipulations...so you can't simply say that GMA commited massive fraud because of these tapes...my advice to the opposition is find a strong evidence..haul GARCILLANO in the courtroom

why can't I? we are not in the court and besides they did not prove that it was tampered and manipulated.

well there are court provisions abroad who don't allow tape conversations as evidence and i'm pretty sure we have similar laws on this regard..

http://www.privacy.gov.au/faqs/ypr/q1.html

[tolstoi]

but again admissible or not... it still shows and proves that GMA committed massive fraud in the election.

the reason why the court would not admit tape conversations as evidence is because it is prone to tampering and other manipulations...so you can't simply say that GMA commited massive fraud because of these tapes...my advice to the opposition is find a strong evidence..haul GARCILLANO in the courtroom

Mao gani nga kinahanglan gyud ta na siya i impeach para ma timbang timbang ang ebidensya sa oposisyun kung lig-on ba. Sa korte man ta na mag da-ug.

Bad faith gyud si Cheat Executive. Di man gyud siya gusto nga ma imbestigar iyang pag ka Cheat Executive.

tarunga lagi ninyo ug file ang impeachment complaint sunod para dili mapunta sa trash-can

[FK]

Again BUNYE is not the issue . The issue is naay conversation nahitabo because PGMA personally admitted it but the real issue is ang contents sa tape. Bisan ang mga taga internet ga himo man ug ilang own na version pod sa tape.

ngano magbuhat2x man sila og ilahang version kono nga that the real conversation is only between GMA and certain Gary. Tell me onsa ila purpose ani?

NOPE .... it is a no contest at all . AT that time KLARO kaau to na ang ADMIN ang palpak.... even you can figure it out in a second as ERAP , the president of the Philippines . Pero i kumpara niom ang admin and opposition karon ... it is also a no contest at all .... it is all POWER GRABBING kay mga pildihan .

and why? what's your basis for this? and the opposition b4 is not after the power?

Daghan ni float na issues about LACSON but noone can prove it .... pero .... PERO naa mga TAO na maka vouch sa authenticity sa issues against Lacson but they are not powerful enough para banggaon si Lacson . On PGMA's case .. she is INNOCENT base from the impeachment being TRASHED because of no basis at all.

Then it can applied to both... both have issues but no case, naa sab mga tao nga maka vouch sa authenticity sa issues pero wala lang sab gahom. Ang deperensiya lang sa duha... kay Lacson naa bot jud sa korte na hearing pero na dismissed. Pero kang GMA igo ra sa prosecutor og gi-dismiss tungod kay naa kono naka una og submit sa kaso, wala gi-dismiss kay kowang og ebidensiya.

Hehehe bai ... sa akong opinion lang no .... bisan majority ang not enough grounds but naa gyud ni surfaced out na ENOUGH GROUNDS ... mo push through na oi ... her case is as serious as her responsibilities for the country.

but does majority of this congressman look at the grounds... they look at the ground for money. Kong wala to gi-dali2x og patay bai, wala ta kahibaw na dayon jud to... but again to be able to kill the impeachment ni sandig sila sa technicality.

I know mo ingon ka si NOLI but dont you think mo last siya ? Kana cguro siya murag wala pa na siya nabalik na question .

hehehe... kani imoha ron bai is pure tag-an2x. Kong naa issue nga bug-at mo gawas against niya nga makapalagpot og usa ka presidente, aw possibly. Mao bitaw naa ng impeachment bai para ang mga presidente mag tinarong.

Hehehe I assumed you are referring to the TAX MONEY used by the admin . Bai .... money and power goes hand in hand . Nahitabo lang na naay POWER ang ADMIN and naay MONEY ang opposition ... gi ismoltayman ka sa opposition ? It is just because they cant prove nothing against her because there accusations in the firstplace are baseless .

yup i personally believe wala'y kwarta kaau ang opposition ron... kay kong naa pa, hagbay ra sila nakahakot og taw just like what they call EDSA III. If there accusations are baseless the issue won't last that long. And base sa ako gihatag nga rason ngano ni too ko nga si GMA is guilty of cheating. Tell me that it is baseless... one istoryan here ask me what are my basis, and I ask him if it was baseless, all he can say is "Ni ingon ba ko bai nga baseless" Now tell me is it baseless... care to talk why it is baseless?

Again dali ra kaau ni nila ingnon bai nga manufactured of dili si GMA og si Garci ang nagka-istorya bisan onsa pa na nga version, in fact Defensor tried that, but again he failed... this is one of the reason ngano naka ingon ko nga peke ni.