Everything about : RH Bill ( Reproductive Health Bill)

[diatabz]

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@Mannyamador

I'm sorry you must think I'm some kind of forecaster of doom. Let me rephrase my stance on this issue.

Do I think the Philippines is overpopulated? I would'nt really know. Is the Philippines suffering from population pressures? Yes! And so are many other developing countries. Population pressures lead to poverty, environmental and health problems. And that's a fact. While it is true that there's enough food in the world to feed everyone, not everyone has access to it. That's a serious problem for a developing country like the Philippines. What about the water crisis?

"There is a water crisis today. But the crisis is not about having too little water to satisfy our needs. It is a crisis of managing water so badly that billions of people - and the environment - suffer badly." -World Water Vision Report

With the advent of desalination, the water crisis is expected to be a problem of yesterday. But is the technology available to the Philippines? Will our country find ways to sustain itself? In the future yes, but things are not looking good at the moment. Not when more than 12.2 million Filipinos were starving as of 2006. There is a food crisis, but only in so far as trade, especially of rice, is monopolized. Add the fact that an increasing number of Filipinos are unable to earn enough to feed themselves and their families. Ask any Juan on the street on how to fix this problem and he will probably say "Then stop having children! Less mouths to feed!".

And reproductive health is not improved with contraceptives or abortifacients. These have well-known negative side-effects. Why do you think Norplant, for example was removed from the US market (and is being dumped here)? These will only make women's health worse, not better.

We're not on the same page here. I'm only talking about barrier contraceptives.

Condoms as we all know are effective in the prevention of sexually transmitted diseases. How many lives will condoms save if this bill were to push through? Try going to remote provinces and you will understand that many of the women haven't even heard of condoms or contraceptives. Or go to a government hospital where you see mothers stuffed into wards with inadequate health care. Do you know how many of them wish they had access to Family Planning methods and information regarding it? As I pointed out, starting with condoms and proper education sanctioned by the government is a much needed step.

If this country wasn't as corrupt stricken as it is now, things might be different. If the economy were better I'm sure this would not be that much of a problem. But the situation is not how we want it to be. Therefore, this bill will help. It won't be a permanent solution, but it will help alleviate the problem.

[cebu-future]

grabe copy paste oi hehe

[wng]

@mannyamador

Get a grip of the reality around you. There's no evidence of overpopulation? There might be people who say the world is not overpopulated. Ten years ago, when the world economy was doing fine and there were like 12 million less people in the Philippines, then maybe... It's 2008, there's a world food crisis, there's a world oil crisis, and there are 12 million more people in the Philippines. You still think there's no overpopulation? That people ought to breed like rabbits? You think that the Philippines ought to double its population? If you want to compete with the economy by having as many people as China, then that's simply impossible!

One thing is clear. That the Philippines cannot support 1 billion people with what we have right now (our economy, our technology), whoever you ask. As to how many below that can be supported, no one knows for sure. But with the current state, with our population growth, poverty level, and state of economy, we will be among the top 15 countries that will be severely affected when a food, energy, or water crisis comes. Among the first is Bangladesh, the most densely populated country that is not a city-state.

People may say the world is not overpopulated, but hardly anyone who has been there or studied the Bangladeshi economy has not mentioned overpopulation as a huge factor in their problems. The Philippines has a higher population growth rate now than Bangladesh. They have a food crisis this year in 2008, as well as many problems in the past. But you can read that as early as 1971, an economist already pointed out, people ignore the overpopulation cause. Yes, it's the cyclone, it's the corruption, it's the war, and whatever problems there are that caused people to die. But no one ever dies of overpopulation (American Chronicle | NOBODY EVER DIES OF OVERPOPULATION) because people just shut their eyes and ignore these nameless people who are just becoming part of government statistics and nothing else.

And yes, if you think that contraceptives are abortifacient, there's also another study that shows even the rhythm method causes embryonic death: Rhythm method criticised as a killer of embryos - *** - 25 May 2006 - New Scientist

[johnny22aa]

dodong manny, kaw ray kamao mo copy paste? pag chor dha dodong ha. here's a PROOF THAT OVERPOPULATION IS REAL & AND IT EXIST and our country would be on the same road as this if we won't do anything on our population problem.


Food Crisis Looms in Bangladesh. April 12, 2008 The Associated Press
With the price of food skyrocketing, poor and overpopulated Bangladesh is one of the world's most vulnerable nations.

Economists estimate 30 million of the country's 150 million people could go hungry. Bangladesh faces a decrease in arable land due to industrialization and the ever-growing population. Its low-lying land is reeling from floods and a cyclone last year that destroyed some 3 million tons of food crops and left millions homeless and hungry.

The price of rice has jumped by more than 30% since then and nearly half the population survives on less than $1 a day.

Approximately 10,000 textile workers demanding better wages clashed with police near the capital. Dozens of people were injured in the violence. The Government has opened more than 6,000 outlets distributing rice at roughly half the market price. But "the government failed to build enough stock of food, and because of that the situation has become volatile," said Ahmad, of the Bangladesh Development Council.

Major opposition parties have threatened street protests if the government fails to rein in rising prices. India has agreed to ship 400,000 tons of heavily discounted rice to Bangladesh, but it could take weeks to arrive. Because of high food prices, the Asian Development Bank warned that inflation could reach 9%.

Bangladesh is not the only country with food problems. There have been riots in Burkina Faso, Mauritania, Mozambique and Senegal. A confluence of problems are driving up prices. Soaring petroleum prices, which increase the cost of fertilizers, transport and food processing; rising demand for meat and dairy in China and India, resulting in increased costs for grain, and the ever-rising demand for raw materials to make biofuels.

The U.N.'s World Food Program says it's facing a $500 million shortfall in funding this year.In Bangladesh, leaders are scrambling for solutions. Last week a senior official suggested people eat potatoes instead of rice.


Please be aware that our country has one of the lowest GDPs in Asia. List of countries by GDP (nominal) per capita - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. Vietname already surpassed us by the number of tourist arrivals. (where is vietnam btw in the 60's during the war?).we placed second, as in second to the last in a math olympiad as what said in the commercial a few years back. if u want boring and sleepy objective figures (as what u are known for), u may check 4 urself Asiaweek. there, u can compare how our country fared to other asian nations in terms of gross export, gdp, economic growth, blah blah blah. u can see it nga sikat ta. sikat ta sa gross import, crime rate, population growth, illiteracy rate, foreign debts, malnutrition, unemployment. of course, im not that so hard to our gov't. in fact, im very optimistic to them. and they need our help. and it must begin from each one of us. just by campaigning how this bill is so important could be mean a big difference.i know we can solve this problem of poverty, one at a time. and solving overpopulation MUST BE A PRIORITY. IT IS A REALITY. it is only a myth for narrow minded persons. we can do something on poverty if we pass this bill. if not, then living like in bangladesh might just be a stone's throw away.

nya kana imong gi-ingon nga sources that prove overpopulation is a myth. i read some of the authors. guess what, they are catholics. they came from the church. it a church-based article or website. ERGO, IT'S NOT CREDIBLE.

[pandisal]

@Mannyamador: "overpopulation is a myth", are you in touch in reality or what?

[wng]

If this is not called "overpopulation", then what is? 20 million Filipinos live in slums like this.



This is not from some horror movies. It's from the BBC. More pictures about this FEATURE: BBC NEWS | In pictures | Manila slum life | *

Sikat gyud ning Philippines basta ingon ani na nga topic. Mosunod man gyud ta sa Bangladesh ani. Their whole country is just more densely populated, but some notes (naa pa gyud tay some areas nga ni "daug" pa gyud ta sa Bangladesh).

Manila (the city of Manila, not Metro Manila as a whole) is the MOST densely populated major city in the WORLD. The City of Manila has a population density of 43,000/sq. km. New York City has a population density of 10,500/sq. km. Tondo has a population density of somewhere between 60,000 to 70,000/sq. km. Manhattan has a population density of about 27,500/sq. km.

Da-ug gyud ta, bisan pa ug Dhaka, Bangladesh imong i-compare. We all know that these houses are a disaster waiting to happen, but people die here because of the typhoon, because of diarrhea, because of whatever other causes. We know when disaster strikes, OVERPOPULATION plays a big role. It's just that in the death certificate (if they even bother to have birth and death certificates here), overpopulation is not the cause of death.

Even Harlem in Manhattan looks like paradise compared to this. They complain about cockroaches and rats in Harlem, but people at least have toilets and running water. Here, the river is the toilet and the river is also the water source. And while Manhattan has skyscrapers to use as apartment and condo units to accommodate their population, there are hardly any high rise buildings in Tondo. I don't know if the buildings you see behind the slum areas are part of Tondo or not, but it doesn't matter. We still win the population congestion contest. While other cities expand vertically, Manila expands horizontally, up to those areas where there is no land at all! Houses are just above the estreros with water below and not land?

The BBC is as mainstream as you can get. This is not some kind of photoshopped tabloid picture. It's REALITY. And MOST Filipinos know this! Why are we even listening to some Catholic writers who haven't set foot on Philippine soil to say we're not overpopulated. Have they seen this? Are they going to be the ones to feed these people? Did they even donate something to help these people?

[battouter]

condom! condom! condom!

[mannyamador]

If this is not called "overpopulation", then what is? 20 million Filipinos live in slums like this.

That's caused by corruption, greed, and indiscriminate debt servicing. NOT overpopulation. Do you read the evidence in the previous posts?

By the way, you're only talking of the City of Manila with your population density figures. If you talk about Metro Manila the population density is only 12,550 people/km² in a land area of 1,334km² (dropping from 1st to 85th place). It is less densly populated than Cebu City (which places 80th), The City of Manila is a thriving business district, and a lot of Manila "residents" actually live in other cities like San Juan or Quezon City. Many other Mnaila "residents" are transients, who work there during the week but actually have homes elsewhere. Considering the mobility of Manila residents, the density for Metro Manila is a much better measure.

And yet, birth control will solve NOTHING since the Total Fertility Rate of Manila is already BELOW REPLACEMENT LEVEL!

Metro Manila's population growth rate has been dropping for years! It practically crashed during 1995-2000. Just look at the NSO's figures:



The City of Manila actually experienced a NEGATIVE average annual growth rate (-0.97%) in 1995-2000. Other cities in Metro Manila experienced a similar problem. The City of Makati had a population growth rate of -1.8%, City of Mandaluyong: -0.63; City Of Muntinlupa: -1.12%; Malabon: -0.54; Pasay City: -2.97; San Juan: -1.15%. The average for all of Metro Manila is only 1.06%. That's not overpopulation at all!

It is pretty OBVIOUS that birth control will NOT solve the "overcrowding". Elimination of corruption so that the rest of the coutnry can be developed, on the other hand WILL.

@Johnny22aa

Please be aware that our country has one of the lowest GDPs in Asia.

That's right, Johnny. But, as usual, you are UNABLE to show that it is overpopulatuion that is causing this. I can claim that other factors -- such as corruption -- cause this. Unless you are able to eliminate these other factors as plausible causes, then the probability that overpopulation is the cause is logically diminished.

Do you have any concept of logic at all? Simply pointing out alleged "effects" doesn't prove that a certain factor caused the effect. You must show the causal relationship. Or, at least, present evidence from others that prove the causal relationship. If you cannot (and so far you HAVEN'T), then your assertions are all hot air and nothing more.

@diatabz

Do I think the Philippines is overpopulated? I would'nt really know. Is the Philippines suffering from population pressures? Yes! And so are many other developing countries. Population pressures lead to poverty, environmental and health problems. And that's a fact.

Please see my reply to Johnny22aa above. Diatabz, you make the same mistake as Johnny. Yes, you're changing terms, but the failure in logic is still the same. You have the same false premiss. Population pressures do NOT necessarily lead to poverty. In fact, they rarely do. Other factors are more likely the cause. Your "fact" is actually a MYTH, unsupported by evidence.

We're not on the same page here. I'm only talking about barrier contraceptives.

Well then we're not talking about the same proposed Bill either. The Bill does not limit itself to barrier contraceptives only. It promotes abortifacients. It is also coercive and forces conmscientious objectors to lead people to those who will dispense contraceptives, making them cooperators in the evil. Have you actually read the Bill?

Condoms only aggravate the situation because, like all artificial contraceptives, they encourage promiscuous behavior and a fasle sense of security.

In Africa, condoms have NOT stopped or even slowed down AIDS. Condomprograms are a total FAILURE. Only Uganda has had much success, and that country promotes ABSTINENCE. That is the only solution that seems to work.

Compare condom-pushing Thailand to Catholic Philippines. Thailand has a smaller population but close to 100 times as many more AIDS cases! The Philippines has around 10,000 cases; Thailand has over a million! That's an example of the catastrophic results of condom promotion.

If Thailand had promoted abstinence, it probably would have fared much better. But the condom pushers wouldn't hear of it!

Contraceptive promiotion encourages its use and promiscuous behavior. Then they fail im massive numbers. Then people start calling for abortion as a solution. That's a vicious cycle that has been replayed many times in other countries. No one in his right mind would want that vicious cycle here.

[pandisal]

@mannyamador

It is really great that you can pull this kind of information (wala-tuo) but sometimes, common sense
will just enough to see that overpopulation are every countries problem. You can say that only few
percentage of the world are occupied by our species, but do you know that vast area are being
exploited for resources to support our needs and in the expense of our environment.

[mannyamador]

Again, that;'s just a claim. But that claim is a myth, as I have shown.

Perhaps if you could PROVE your claim, that would be better.