What matters the most when hiring a programmer?

[simoncpu]

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I totally agree with you guys but how come most of the hiring you see in the newspaper ads require at least a BS degree?

I think the person who's hiring is not that good.

A talented person can recognize talent in his fellow programmers, ma college drop-out man or ma PhD-holder man. Data structures and design? Design patterns? They can easily be learned through self-study.

YUP of course maka BUILD mo ug software without proper education, But imagine your code.. Probably
full of Hacks, tweaks, Design problem or worst loop holes.

I've seen such code made by people who are supposed to teach proper design and architecture in school. It turns out that experience is a better teacher after all...

[ simon.cpu ]

[softtouch]

I think the person who's hiring is not that good.

A talented person can recognize talent in his fellow programmers, ma college drop-out man or ma PhD-holder man. Data structures and design? Design patterns? They can easily be learned through self-study.



I've seen such code made by people who are supposed to teach proper design and architecture in school. It turns out that experience is a better teacher after all...

[ simon.cpu ]

Very much right. I sh..t on a grade. I would hire a programmer based on his/her skills, not and stupid grade. If you want to make money, you hire people who have the skills, not people who have lots of diploma etc. or which are fresh graduated.

[silent-kill]

important gihapon ang degree para nako heeheh.. lets not pat our own backs here.
I believe that you can have both, a degree and the skill necessary to succeed in your chosen field

lets not make it an excuse that we don't need school cuz we are better programmers that those who got a degree... hehehe thats plain silly and being uberly lazy hehehee.

[javapenguin]

Persons like Gates or Jobs na mga drop out BUILD their company wlay cla Nangapply and its a different story.

Talented programmers need big dreams not diploma.

[silent-kill]

not only big dreams... but also guts, perseverance and determination.

If we compare our selves with bill gates.. wala rata ana niya.. hehehee... i haven't heard bill gates posting into forums... talking about this kind of stuff.. He was out there doing his dreams and not just dreaming of it.

and also bill gates was not only the "talented programmer type" but he was also the visionary type who sees every opportunity that comes his way and grab it.

still my question; why not have both? a degree and the skill

[softtouch]

not only big dreams... but also guts, perseverance and determination.

If we compare our selves with bill gates.. wala rata ana niya.. hehehee... i haven't heard bill gates posting into forums... talking about this kind of stuff.. He was out there doing his dreams and not just dreaming of it.

and also bill gates was not only the "talented programmer type" but he was also the visionary type who sees every opportunity that comes his way and grab it.

still my question; why not have both? a degree and the skill

Sure, degree and skill is fine, but not JUST the degree, that means nothing...

[javapenguin]

Sure, degree and skill is fine, but not JUST the degree, that means nothing...

Correct!!! You need to have passion in programming, coz passion drives perfection. (maybe near perfection since nobody's perfect, hehehe)

[silent-kill]

Sure, degree and skill is fine, but not JUST the degree, that means nothing...

you made it sound more dramatic bro! LOL

[simoncpu]

still my question; why not have both? a degree and the skill

Lahi2x ra ma reason sa mga tao. Ako kay wala lang... I didn't see the point on why I would continue.

I'm a poor guy; I couldn't afford to go to a school with professors that have PhD in computer science and mathematics. I wish I could go to a school where teachers really know how to create an operating system. I wish I could go to a school that can teach me kernel-level programming, artificial intelligence, robotics, cryptography and other interesting subjects. Here in Cebu, they only teach you Adobe Photoshop, MS Office, and very basic programming... I wish I could afford to go to a better university...

[ simon.cpu ]

[simoncpu]

not only big dreams... but also guts, perseverance and determination.

If we compare our selves with bill gates.. wala rata ana niya.. hehehee... i haven't heard bill gates posting into forums... talking about this kind of stuff.. He was out there doing his dreams and not just dreaming of it.

and also bill gates was not only the "talented programmer type" but he was also the visionary type who sees every opportunity that comes his way and grab it.

still my question; why not have both? a degree and the skill

Bill Gates is a thief. He stole ideas from Xerox, Apple, and other companies. He didn't even made MS-DOS. He just bought 86-DOS at a cheap price, monopolized the industry by riding on IBM, and the rest is history...

He's just a shrewed businessman...

[ simon.cpu ]