What's the Most Dangerous Martial Arts?

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A Very Brief History of Daito-ryu Aiki Jujutsu

The Daito-ryu scrolls issued by Takeda Sokaku (beginning just before the turn of the century) include a lineage that traces the art back to the Emperor Seiwa, who, legend has it, won his throne when his sumo champion defeated his elder brother's champion. The actual founder of the art is said to have been Seiwa's descendant Shinra Saburo Minamoto no Yoshimitsu [1045-1127], who lived in a mansion known as Daito, hence the name Daito-ryu. The art was then handed down through his descendants, the Takeda family of Kai Province (modern-day Yamanashi Prefecture), until that family's destruction five years after the fall of the its most famous member, general Takeda Shingen, in 1573. A distant relative of Shingen's, Kunitsugu, made his way to Aizu in 1644, where he was taken on as a karo (senior councilor) under the Aizu lord Hoshina Masayuki [1611-1673], son of the second Tokugawa shogun, Hidetada. Daito-ryu tradition asserts that Kunitsugu taught his family's secret techniques to his lord Masayuki, who combined them with the principles of court etiquette that he had learned as oshikiuchi, into a system of self-defense for use within the palace. This amalgamation, together with the Itto-ryu Hoshina later studied, became the basis for the martial arts training of the succeeding lords of the Aizu clan, as well as for its highest ranking members.

The original Takeda family art continued to be passed down in secret within the family itself, eventually to Sokaku's grandfather, Soemon, where the earliest written lineages in Sokaku's mokuroku end. Presumably, however, Soemon then taught Sokichi, who in turn taught his own son, Sokaku.

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[size=18px]Takeda Sokaku[/size]
Reviver of Daito-ryu Aiki Jujutsu

Takeda Sokaku was born the second son of Takeda Sokichi on October 10, 1859 in the Takeda mansion in Oike in Aizu, present-day Fukushima prefecture. As a boy, Sokaku learned kenjutsu, bojutsu, sumo, and Daito-ryu from his father, and studied Ono-ha Itto-ryu at the Yokikan dojo under Shibuya Toba.



In 1873, Sokaku traveled with his father to the dojo of his father's friend, swordsman Sakakibara Kenkichi. There he stayed on as a live-in student and immersed himself in studying the Jikishinkage-ryu. At the Sakakibara dojo Sokaku had opportunities to meet and train with many of the top swordsmen of the day, many of whom had formerly been members of the Tokugawa shogunate's Kobusho, the exclusive martial arts school for government retainers. He studied diligently, and eventually mastered many different skills and weapons including sword (ken), staff (bo), half-bow (hankyu), short-staff (jo), and throwing darts (shuriken). Later he also received a license (inka) in the spear arts of the Hozoin-ryu.

Sokaku traveled around visiting dojos throughout Japan, testing and polishing his martial skills wherever he went. He also deepened his spiritual connections through constant visits for prayer, devotions, and ascetic training to sacred places such as Udomyojin in Kyushu, Mt. Futara in Nikko, and Mt. Haguro in Dewa Province (now Akita and Yamagata prefectures). His sword skills were unparalleled and he was feared as "the Little Tengu of Aizu" (a tengu is a type of long-nosed demon; they are renowned for their martial arts skills)

In about 1875, rumor reached Sokaku that Saigo Takamori had launched his rebellion in Satsuma against the forces of the new Meiji government. (it was also rumored that he killed a thousand men in combat, using his lethal and efficient art) He decided immediately that he would go to lend his support. He made it as far as Kyushu but was unable to reach his destination, so he returned to Osaka where he spent the next ten years as a guest in the Kyoshin Meichi-ryu dojo of swordsman Momonoi Shunzo.

Sokaku learned Daito-ryu from his father Sokichi, but it was from Saigo Tanomo, former Chief Councilor of the Aizu domain, that he learned oshikiiuchi. After the Meiji Restoration in 1868, Saigo Tanomo had become a Shinto priest and taken the name Hoshina Chikanori. In 1875 Sokaku visited him at Tsutsukowake Shrine in Fukushima to study for entrance to the priesthood, and while he was there received instruction in the arts of oshikiiuchi from Chikanori. Although Sokaku decided not to become a priest, he visited his mentor many times after that, and under Chikanori's instruction is said to have perfected seemingly miraculous skills of understanding another's mind and thought, and to have grasped the true depths of oshikiiuchi. On May 12th of 1898 Chikanori presented him with a single poem, inscribing it in Sokaku's enrollment book. One interpretation of Chikanori's words is that he is likening the flow of a river to the flow of time. With the beginning of the Meiji period, the age of the sword had ended, and no matter how skilled a swordsman might be, he can no longer make any mark and will amount to nothing. Therefore, it is time to pursue and make your way with jujutsu.

With this, the formal succession of Daito-ryu aiki jujutsu was assured. From that time on Sokaku identified himself as a practitioner of both Daito-ryu aiki jujutsu and Ono-ha Itto-ryu. He traveled around Japan teaching both arts and came to be recognized as the reviver (chuko no so) of the Daito-ryu.

Sokaku was not a large man--he stood no more than 150 centimeters tall--but his eyes were piercing and his techniques were of an almost supernatural level. He is said to have been able to sense a person's past, present, and future even before being introduced. Among his more well-known students were Saigo Tsugumichi, Hokushin Itto-ryu swordsman Shimoe Hidetaro, and aikido founder Ueshiba Morihei, as well as army and navy officers, judges, police, martial artists, and other prominent individuals. He is said to have taught as many as thirty thousand people during his life, the signatures and seals of whom are all entered in enrollment books that are preserved to this day.

In his later years Sokaku focused his activities in Hokkaido. He passed away on April 25, 1943 at the age of eighty-three while teaching in Aomori Prefecture.

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aikido. for self defense

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Morehei Ueshiba – the founder of Aikido is a student of Sokaku Takeda. It is clear that Ueshiba had deep respect for Takeda's technical ability and that the latter regarded the founder of aikido as one of his most promising students. Aikido's technical debt to Daito-ryu is immense. It is difficult to find a movement in aikido which does not originate in Takeda's jujutsu form. On the other hand, the survival, dissemination and future prospects of Daito-ryu as a traditional Japanese martial art have been virtually guaranteed by the tremendous international success of modern aikido. In fact, I have often heard practitioners of Daito-ryu refer loosely to their art as aikido! In any event, viewed historically, the two martial arts are irrevocably linked and will remain so despite the misunderstandings, biases and recriminations that have been perpetuated to this day. In time, as our understanding of past historical events grows, I believe it will be possible to regard the relationship between aikido and Daito-ryu Jujutsu with a more objective eye and that the mutual debt of these arts will be easily perceivable.

There is no point debating on which styles of Martial Arts is the most dangerous but the point of this topic is to know the opinions and preferrences of each one of us for the sole purpose of sharing the various informations, knowledge, techniques, comparisons of various styles and whatever it may be that would contribute the propagation of Martial Arts...

[Persian_King73]

I had a little story to share with. It's about Aikido and Jujitsu. In Jujitsu, technically very effective because most fights particularly real situation, ends up on the ground. But for practicality sake, I guess nobody doesn't want to get their coat, or pants get dirty while you are on your way, for work or a date, when you get confronted with life threatining situations. Hence, Jujitsu is ineffective when you can't grab or get close contact with him. And if your opponent is huge and strong, you've got to apply the lock precisely and quickly otherwise your in trouble. In an open category competition, if you happen to have an opponent which is a Kickboxer you've got to be very careful with his elbows & low kicks, it really hurts, I had once tasted it, during sparring sessions. These two, different Martial Arts forms may varies in some aspects. But these two, are very effective in real life scenarios. Assuming that, the attacker doesn't know who would he'll be missing with. Once he'll be pin and lock down by an Aikidoka or a Jujitsu expert, that's it. He's finished. No matter how huge or strong he might be .On the other hand, Aikido is energy-saving and doesn't crumpled your long sleeve, all you have to do is apply" tenkan or irimi", and it's up to you wether you throw him, or lock and eventually pinning him down. Aikido works in both grappling, holding and distant attacks like kicks and punches. But somehow, an Aikidoist is not really good in ground fighting compared to an expert in Jujitsu. Though, I haven't seen an Aikidoist, in UFC, but if it happens, he(Aikidoist), must not stay on the ground for a long time because he's really in trouble. But to pin him down requires a lot of energy, he also knows unlocking techniques. And knows rolling and falling techniques, so if yo happen to throw him, be very sure to lock him immediately, or else your energy will be wasted. But as long as an Aikidoist is not pin down, hit on fatal points or lock in the ground, and there's a room for him to roam around, because Aikido techniques are circular, flowing, leading and diversion of an opponent force, it's really hard to beat him without a scratch. Aikido is really good, if you're not lock, or pin down on the ground, but Jujitsu is the best I think in ground fighting. But the older you get, the less flexible you are. While Aikido can still be practiced even when you're 40 something, but if you intend to pursue an exposure in UFC, I would highly recommend Jujitsu. There is only one Aikidoist on this planet, I've known that had make it on Hollywood, only Steven Seagal, currently 7th Dan Blackbelt in Aikido.

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Thanks for sharing your interests in Martial Arts Persian_King73! And let's continue propagating the world of Martial Arts!

[Persian_King73]

Thanks for sharing your interests in Martial Arts Persian_King73! And let's continue propagating the world of Martial Arts!

Way sapayan bai! Matsalams sa imong warm welcome...

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Patrixxx73 og Persian_King73.. unsa diay inyong martial arts disicplines? Pwede ko patudlo? reading your threads murag nindot kunohay ning aikido. Pero nag-tanaw ko sa mga trainings kunohay .. murag maka bali ma ug boko boko kai ipang labay man mo ug tinod-anay. Unsa man kaha maayo akong tun-an ani.. perting daghan man ug pili-an... nag basa ko sa thread ni patrixxx73 perting daghana ug mga japanese name.. kaon lang sa ko ug susi mi

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Patrixxx73 og Persian_King73.. unsa diay inyong martial arts disicplines? Pwede ko patudlo? reading your threads murag nindot kunohay ning aikido. Pero nag-tanaw ko sa mga trainings kunohay .. murag maka bali ma ug boko boko kai ipang labay man mo ug tinod-anay. Unsa man kaha maayo akong tun-an ani.. perting daghan man ug pili-an... nag basa ko sa thread ni patrixxx73 perting daghana ug mga japanese name.. kaon lang sa ko ug susi mi

I am an Aikidoka(japanese term for an Aikido student), and a Kickboxer as well. But I feel madly in love in Aikido, because it is "energy-saving". Kickboxing requires a lot of oxygen, but a very good form of aerobic exercise.
In our dojo(japanese term for gym), for first timers(white belters). The first lesson that I have undergone was the rolling and falling techniques. My Sensei(japanese term for teacher), was very particular on that. Now I had understood why he was. No Aikidokas both the nage(japanese term for thrower/defender), and uke(japanese term for attacker), will be allowed to perform Randori(japanese term for developing reflexes), without the approval of the Sensei, which means he had technically confident on the Aikidoka's falling and rolling techniques. I'm pretty sure what had you seen was a Randori. In laymans term that's the "practicum", don't you worry about the "labay og makabali og spinal column", you won't be allowed to join those stuffs unless your Sensei approved it. It's only danderous to watch, when you haven't knew those two techniques, but when you had mastered it "mura na lang og duwa-duwa". Just bear in mind that Aikido is an all defensive type of Martial Arts. You wouldn't be teach how to kick, punch or wrestle your opponent/attacker but you'll be teach how to unbalance, pin, lock down using their own strength and very little of yours. There is no Aikido technique which is offensive in nature and purpose. All the techniques taught are basically defensive. It has a lot of footworks as you shift your body weights, as to unbalance your opponent. A little of mathematics and physics. Hence, you'll be dealing with the number of degrees, required in turning your body, as well as gliding your feet, as you evade a kick or punch. For it is not allowed in Aikido to counteract an apponent's force. Blocking it, might cause injury or pain on you, if he's force is much greater than your blocking force. Instead of blocking that force, it will be diverted in a manner which is disadvantageous to him.

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persian_king.. unsa na ka na belt? how long would it probably take to learn aikido? dili sad kanang parehas ni steven seagal pero enough to be able to perform its main purpose... which is defense as so you say tinoud ba na na naa kunohay exam2? na tinoud na knife ang ipa defend nimo... agoroy kung mo sipyat... naka tan-aw ko sa baseline.. ambot nyc ba na cya diha.