Are We Humans Perfect Or Not?

[akosabni]

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^ right, kong perfect ginoo na

ug kong perfect ka, d cguro ka human

[Soul Doctor]

wow that is one good point bro.
im admire your knowledge... +1 very nice..

now let me ask you. are you perfect or not.. just plain simple YES or NO..

I am not perfect.
Are you?

[aztina888]

The fall of men by one man, the bible speaks explicitly of it. so no one human is perfect except the man Jesus Christ. If one believes the Bible.

as mr RCRUMAN posted naay perfect sa mata sa Ginoo. and i from what "I" understand he's perfect.
well thats just me understanding him not being able to answer NO to the question.

@Soul Doctor.
like what ive posted sa 1st page, No I am not perfect nor near from being Perfect. even in my own eyes im not perfect. i know my FLAWS, i have sinned, will commit sins, so as far as i can tell im not perfect even in the EYES of GOD.

[corwinholmes]

"For all have sinned & fall short of the glory of God."

[Mr.Ho_chia]

as mr RCRUMAN posted naay perfect sa mata sa Ginoo. and i from what "I" understand he's perfect.
well thats just me understanding him not being able to answer NO to the question.

@Soul Doctor.
like what ive posted sa 1st page, No I am not perfect nor near from being Perfect. even in my own eyes im not perfect. i know my FLAWS, i have sinned, will commit sins, so as far as i can tell im not perfect even in the EYES of GOD.

I dont know about rc ruman but my assumption tells me that he is referring to the justification of men in the name of our savior Jesus Christ. A sinful imperfect men is justified by the blood of the lamb, became spotless and blameless in the eyes of GOD as soon as he is reborn in the spirit by allowing Jesus Christ to be HIS Savior and LORD.

[mordecai_327]

"For all have sinned & fall short of the glory of God."

Romans 3:23.

...in alius lacuna: "Everyone missed the mark of God's standards." In his own nobody's perfect. Nada. Zero. Zip.

...then comes God's justification and sanctification.

[aztina888]

I dont know about rc ruman but my assumption tells me that he is referring to the justification of men in the name of our savior Jesus Christ. A sinful imperfect men is justified by the blood of the lamb, became spotless and blameless in the eyes of GOD as soon as he is reborn in the spirit by allowing Jesus Christ to be HIS Savior and LORD.

so its safe to what he meant is in the Eyes of GOD we humans are perfect When Jesus Christ was REborn?

[mordecai_327]

...i think what he meant is when a person is reborn, not Jesus Christ as being the one reborn.

[aztina888]

...i think what he meant is when a person is reborn, not Jesus Christ as being the one reborn.

ahh understood.
well let me check if what i understand is correct.
so when a person is reborn, we can say he's perfect?

so if i ask you sir do you consider your self perfect? thats in all aspect. Eyes of God and in Human standard?

[mordecai_327]

ahh understood.
well let me check if what i understand is correct.
so when a person is reborn, we can say he's perfect?

...if you are referring to being perfect as in "sinless perfection" then no. A person who's been forgiven of his/her sins by God still sin. However, he is declared righteous (acquitted, not guilty) by God due to the righteousness that he/she received through Jesus Christ's righteousness imputed (transferred, ascribed) upon that person. Not upon his/her own work/merit (Ephesians 2:8-9).

Note here that I am dichotomizing a two-fold event: justification and sanctification. These might be theological jargons but are essential when it comes to the discussion of a man's situation when he is reborn/born again into God's kingdom. Not that he/she becomes sinless, i.e., perfect, but sinning less and less and less. Justification is a ONE-TIME event: the moment a person receives Jesus Christ's final and complete work on the cross as the means of the forgiveness of his/her sins. Sanctification is a life-long process wherein the person is being made holy (and should I say being made perfect in a sense) every single moment of his/her life. That person can only achieve sinless perfection when Jesus Christ returns -- freeing His believers of the presence of sin, thus making them perfect; or if that person dies and goes to God's Kingdom.

so if i ask you sir do you consider your self perfect? thats in all aspect. Eyes of God and in Human standard?

I would prefer "declared righteous" solely by Jesus Christ's atoning work, rather than "perfect". I am not faultless, I still sin you know.

In God's eyes, I am righteous (Him looking down on His own Son's righteousness and not mine). You might take me as being arrogant, but my claim is on the basis of the finished work of Christ and not out of my own goodness, thus earning His favor.

Peace