Free will: Absolute or Not? Should all the blame be upon humanity?

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Yes yes and yes i already said that for the nth time/s. Its absolute because you can do anything but there are times that this freewill is bound by some limits.

let me illustrate my point, a person wants to go to someplace by plane but some weird event took place that he was unable to go on board, later on, the plane crashed because of an engine malfunction. Some people would say that this is divine providence, so ok, lets assumed that it is, so that means that a certain force created the WEIRD circumstance that made the man missed the plane. Gusto siya mosakay sa plane pero tungod sa event nga beyond his control wala siya ka board, Isnt this a great example of non-absolute freewill in that sense? for me it is.

unsa gud ni nga illustration.. unsa may labot sa freewill ana? hehe circumstances beyond our control gani walay labot ang freewill intawn ana oi hehehe

[Tattva]

unsa gud ni nga illustration.. unsa may labot sa freewill ana? hehe circumstances beyond our control gani walay labot ang freewill intawn ana oi hehehe

Obviously wala ka kita sa point.

Ganahan ang tao mo adto sa laing lugar by plane pero na hold kay naay nahitabo his will to go somewhere napug ngan tungod sa circumstances nga nahitabo nga wala sa iyang control.


Another point...


According sa bible The Israelites wanted to worship and proclaim The gloden Calf ba to as the God responsible for bringing them out of egypt but according sa bible wala ganahi ang God so HE destroyed some of them.

Again in that sense freewill is absolute because you can do whatever you want actually but then again there are cases that our freewill is limited so in that sense its not absolute.

[SPIKE_CSA]

Obviously wala ka kita sa point.

Ganahan ang tao mo adto sa laing lugar by plane pero na hold kay naay nahitabo his will to go somewhere napug ngan tungod sa circumstances nga nahitabo nga wala sa iyang control.


Another point...


According sa bible The Israelites wanted to worship and proclaim The gloden Calf ba to as the God responsible for bringing them out of egypt but according sa bible wala ganahi ang God so HE destroyed some of them.

Again in that sense freewill is absolute because you can do whatever you want actually but then again there are cases that our freewill is limited so in that sense its not absolute.

Obviously wala ka kita sa point.

Ganahan ang tao mo adto sa laing lugar by plane pero na hold kay naay nahitabo his will to go somewhere napug ngan tungod sa circumstances nga nahitabo nga wala sa iyang control.


Another point...


According sa bible The Israelites wanted to worship and proclaim The gloden Calf ba to as the God responsible for bringing them out of egypt but according sa bible wala ganahi ang God so HE destroyed some of them.

Again in that sense freewill is absolute because you can do whatever you want actually but then again there are cases that our freewill is limited so in that sense its not absolute.

no brod wala napugngan iyang will to go. its just the HE IS WILLING BUT WAS NOT ABLE TO GO..

mao bitaw na makadungog ta ug storya nga "WILLING AND ABLE"

in your illustration if willing gyud siya mo adto sa usa ka lugar, pwede biya siya mangita ug lain paagi nga maka adto by all means.. diba?

[Tattva]

no brod wala napugngan iyang will to go. its just the HE IS WILLING BUT WAS NOT ABLE TO GO..

mao bitaw na makadungog ta ug storya nga "WILLING AND ABLE"

in your illustration if willing gyud siya mo adto sa usa ka lugar, pwede biya siya mangita ug lain paagi nga maka adto by all means.. diba?

According sa akong illustration na pugngan You have to argue within the context given.

Even great preacher like Chuck Swindoll believes that freewill is not absolute or should i say the exercise of our freewill is limited within the boundaries that God has given.

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In Every Rule there is an Expemption ....

Free will is a rule? Abi man nako ug free ang will because there is no rule attached to it. that's why Free Will because it's free, right? hmmm... something new?

[SPIKE_CSA]

According sa akong illustration na pugngan You have to argue within the context given.

Even great preacher like Chuck Swindoll believes that freewill is not absolute or should i say the exercise of our freewill is limited within the boundaries that God has given.

mao bitaw to ako reply nimo nga lahi na ang "WILLING" pero lahi sad ng "ABLE".. ang illustration man gud nimo is napugnan iyang will kay wala kasakay sa airplane..

ang napungan ato kay dili ang will niya oi... its just that HE WASNT ABLE TO GO tungod sa circumstances but IF HE IS WILLING jud moadto then daghan alternative para maka adto siya.. kana jud kung willing gyud siya ha.. hehe

[Tattva]

mao bitaw to ako reply nimo nga lahi na ang "WILLING" pero lahi sad ng "ABLE".. ang illustration man gud nimo is napugnan iyang will kay wala kasakay sa airplane..

ang napungan ato kay dili ang will niya oi... its just that HE WASNT ABLE TO GO tungod sa circumstances but IF HE IS WILLING jud moadto then daghan alternative para maka adto siya.. kana jud kung willing gyud siya ha.. hehe

Sorry but you are out of context. Kana imong gi propose nga argument lahi na pod na, stay sa context. there is one point also nga wala ka kita. I mentioned divine providence there. God created a circumstance para dili madayun iyang lakaw therefore interfering sa iyang Freewill to go on board.


Evangelical man kaha ka i think you need to ask your pastor about it. there are times that our freewill is limited w/in the will of God. Chuck swindoll position is the same as mine.

According sa Evangelical doctrine of soteriology, Salvation is according to God's sovereignty and not by man's freewill.


Israel's tendencies to worship other gods were examples of limited freewill, everytime nga mo supak sila sa Ginoo by following their Freewill, God will always at later times interfere sa ilang affairs.

Again i will make my point Ang pag exercise sa freewill is limited but by nature freewill is absolute.


If you will disagree on this then you are disagreeing to the fact that God interferes with our freewill. Anf also you are disagreeing sa position ni Chuck Swindoll.

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@tattva

According sa Evangelical doctrine of soteriology, Salvation is according to God's sovereignty and not by man's freewill.

Wala gyud koy supak ani kay tinood gyud ni. Pero wala biya ta naghisgot ug salvation ha...this is different na kay involve na biya ang salvation ani.

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@tattva

According sa Evangelical doctrine of soteriology, Salvation is according to God's sovereignty and not by man's freewill.

Wala gyud koy supak ani kay tinood gyud ni. Pero wala biya ta naghisgot ug salvation ha...this is different na kay involve na biya ang salvation ani.

kinsa man ga ingun nimo nga supak ka ana?

According ana nga theology our freewill is limited.

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kinsa man ga ingun nimo nga supak ka ana?

According ana nga theology our freewill is limited.

of course limited because this time involve ang salvation.. ug dili na mao atong topic from the very start.

but for this particular one . i do agree with you fully.