ADVANTAGE OF JAVA OVER C# and VICE-VERSA

[eax]

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Also, who needs portable games? If you have Linux machine or mac, then most probably you dont want to play games.

Para nako, i-consider gihapon ang portability sa games. Mura man gud ma lock ta sa usa ka platform or ma monopolize. Especially karon na ang Linux is being targeted for desktop applications. Just imagine kung mga games i-developed multi-platform daghan mga internet cafes mo balhin sa Linux OS. Dako kaayo sila ma-save in terms sa OS license. Ma-eliminate na ang mga raid.

[CmdrAdobo]

Look at the successful gaming company i.e. Microsoft, Sony, Nintendo, Blizzard or EA. Do they have portable games?

They dont care what you have, they dont care kung raidon na imong internet cafe,they just want to develop very good games, on time and on budget. You as a gamer will adjust. Many people have to buy XBOX because Halo is so good and they want to play with it.

Ok, brayt pa ka sa CEO sa blizzard or Microsoft or EA. hehehehe.

Para nako, i-consider gihapon ang portability sa games. Mura man gud ma lock ta sa usa ka platform or ma monopolize. Especially karon na ang Linux is being targeted for desktop applications. Just imagine kung mga games i-developed multi-platform daghan mga internet cafes mo balhin sa Linux OS. Dako kaayo sila ma-save in terms sa OS license. Ma-eliminate na ang mga raid.

[eax]

Look at the successful gaming company i.e. Microsoft, Sony, Nintendo, Blizzard or EA. Do they have portable games?

They dont care what you have, they just want to develop very good games, they dont care kung raidon na imong internet cafe, on time and on budget. You as a gamer will adjust. Many people have to buy XBOX because Halo is so good and they want to play with it.

Ok, brayt pa ka sa CEO sa blizzard or Microsoft or EA. hehehehe.

Usa siguro ana is ang Blizzard naa man sila support sa Mac OS and sa Linux maka-run ka using wine or cedega.

As a gamer pud siguro ni-adjust man pud ko na maka-duwa ug Warcraft III sa Linux. Based on my experience, ang ako lang na-gasto is ang Warcraft III BattleChest. Naka-save na ko sa OS.

I think dili man siguro brayt sa CEO. I think practical naman siguro karon na maka-save ka ug mga in-ana. To think pila ra man pud ang mga gamers na legitimate ang ilang mga games.

[CmdrAdobo]

hahahaha..gahia nimo ug ulo oi. Nice try.

Giport na nila para modagan ug Mac, different config and recompile for sure it will produce different binary. The same binary wouldnt run on different platform. Therefore it's not portable.

Why do you think modagan ug wine or cedega? Because the app consider it as windows, so it works fine. This is applicable to most other games too not just Blizzard. It's not portable because you are required to have Wine or Cedega.

Ang imong original post, portability nga morag java. write once, runs anywhere. wala mahitabo!! as in zero. Ayaw sige palusot.

Usa siguro ana is ang Blizzard naa man sila support sa Mac OS and sa Linux maka-run ka using wine or cedega.

As a gamer pud siguro ni-adjust man pud ko na maka-duwa ug Warcraft III sa Linux. Based on my experience, ang ako lang na-gasto is ang Warcraft III BattleChest. Naka-save na ko sa OS.

I think dili man siguro mas-brayt sa CEO. I think practical naman siguro karon na maka-save ka ug mga in-ana. To think pila ra man pud ang mga gamers na legitimate ang ilang mga games.

[eax]

hahahaha..gahia nimo ug ulo oi. Nice try.

Giport na nila para modagan ug Mac, different config and recompile for sure it will produce different binary. The same binary wouldnt run on different platform. Therefore it's not portable.

Why do you think modagan ug wine or cedega? Because the app consider it as windows, so it works fine. This is applicable to most other games too not just Blizzard. It's not portable because you are required to have Wine or Cedega.

Ang imong original post, portability nga morag java. write once, runs anywhere. wala mahitabo!! as in zero. Ayaw sige palusot.

Sorry for not thoroughly explained on my previous post.

Im just citing an example kung unsa mahitabo kung ila i-developed on portability in mind ang mga games.

[maddox]

grabe panaglalis diri ba...

hmm...

dili man gyuid ni kinhanglan lalisan mga bro. basta ma C, C++, Java, .Net, Microsoft, open-source,... they have their own strengths and weaknesses, that's why they're utilized by developers and companies for specific purposes.

Embedded apps may not be fit for Java, but with JEE comes a very outstanding architecture for enterprise systems. So does .Net and it's languages. C++ may be used for network programming and even enterprise apps but wouldn't it be easier, more flexible, and more robust kung Java or .Net na lang?

I believe C/C++ will always be around. And I think many of us know why.

Windows or Linux, they each have their own place in the market. A lot, if not majority, of people wouldn't feel very comfortable using Linux as their desktop. They may be targeting desktop now and in the future but of course you don't expect Microsoft to stay behind.

Yet Linux is outstanding in many ways that Windows isn't.

There's no war between these technologies. Each has their own specialty. And in the future the measure of a developer will be on how flexible he can be between technologies. Since business requirements nowadays need integration between systems developed by different environments and languages.

[maddox]

I've posted this on another thread but I thought of posting this here too so you guys can see.

http://www.tiobe.com/tpci.htm


Read the explanation lang on how the chart is supposed to be interpreted.

[cold_fusion]

Webhost/Availability
Sure MySQL is always available to webhosts. Do you think companies like Citibank or AIG will go to cheap webhosts and use MySQL? LOL.

Let's have a common sense even for just 2 minutes. Webhosts and Oracle do no go along because webhosts are intended for small budget customers. Oracle is premium and it's expensive. Gets nimo?

Sun acquires MySQL for 1 Billion, old news, bahaw sa binisaya. The same day Oracle acquired BEA for 8+ Billion.


Embedded
Who's telling you that embedded is only limited 64kbs roms/rams? Who's telling that it should be listed in embedded.net? I told you search in Google. I tried these keyword '.net embedded' and on the first item I have this link: http://www.windowsfordevices.com/news/NS4666205829.html does this it categorize as embedded to you.

I just point your original post that you are arrogantly commented that you dont use these tools (Java and .Net) because they are bloatware.
And you dont respect to the people who are doing for a living with these languages. Mura'g pinamukhang tanga nimo ang mga Java or .Net programmers because they are choosing these tools. If you do embedded, that's fine, these tools are not for you but embeddeds are not the only apps in this world.

I don't say that MySQL will be used by Citibank or AIG. I know the SQL "language" and can use Oracle, DB2 or MsSQL but my outsource clients wanted it to be on MySQL. They are in the web business. That's common sense. Do I need to tell them I won't accept the job because I only do MySQL?

Good for you if you work with Citibank and such. But don't belittle us "poor" programmers not to use your "super expensive" SQL servers.
BTW, SAP's SapDB became MySQL's MaxDB for a long time ago. If you don't know, SAP is used by large corporations such as Microsoft and others.

Also, what it has to do with BEA systems and MySQL. They are 2 different software suites, compare apples to oranges. MySQL is open-source and a the database server market.

Embedded.com, BTW, is the resource for embedded programmers. You can find tools, hardware and even codes for embedded systems. The domain should give you a clue if not. If you search in google, you may find sites that speaks of embedded products is but on the gray area that even has more processing power than a PC.

It's 64 BYTES and 512 WORDS(12bit word or 768bytes) not "Kilobytes". That is 1000x different. It is not limited to that memory size but most embedded microcontrollers are and the bulk of it. It is produced by millions. It is found mostly on toys, watches, remote controls, stereo, cars, etc. This the true embedded systems category.

On the product on your link anyway, can you tell me the price? Is it mass produced and sold by even just thousands? Think, adding windows on your watch can be cost beneficial?

Please don't call me arrogant on my comment about both language are bloated. I don't show arrogance to anyone even to you.
Please read my post well, I am not even commenting. I just answered a question from the OP and not from you. I gave my honest OPINION. Not ATTACKING anybody. Can you tell me how many MEGABYTES are the .NET runtime and the JRE runtime? Compile a VB6 or C/C++ programs and compare the resulting size.

Also, I stated about embedded systems because in embedded code size and efficiency are very important. Anything bloated will not fit into the code memory and anything slow will result to non-realtime response.

So PLEASE don't be childish. I am not discrediting you and not talking none-sense. Let's stick to the topic.

[silent-kill]

its always the right tool for the right job.

big companies target system to become there application's host environment... blizzard games that runs on MAC have different rendering engines... so most probably its not really that "portable"

its not like java, because java makes its own little world inside an OS. thats why its slower.. and will never out perform c# IMO

[silent-kill]

@cold_fusion,

bro, just curious what thy of programs/systems do you make in an embedded system?. how much technology is involve when creating such?.