How confusing is the Bible?

[amingb]

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kinsa man gud nang mga tawhana ba?

kato nang mga simbahan nga naghatag ug False Doctrine ...

[necrotic freak]

kato nang mga simbahan nga naghatag ug False Doctrine ...

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[brownprose]

So then who is Correct because all christian denomination are base on the interpretation of the Bible.

NO ONE can interpret or claim to interpret with ABSOLUTE CERTAINTY the Bible otherwise we would have a UNIVERSAL or COMMON understanding and we don't have to quarrel about our faith. That's why it is called INTERPRETATION and interpretations vary according to the interpreter (person) or the institutions that interpret it (church).

Just like in law, you need a lawyer to interpret laws - sometimes we need other people's help (a priest, a bible teacher, a Bible scholar or a pastor) to help us better understand what a text or a chapter in the Bible means. However, it is hard to say if they are right coz the Bible is also cryptic and filled with historic references and characters that we are not so familiar or are not found in standard history references.

Also, just because one reads or memorizes his Bible well already gives him the license to just easily rebuke or correct the other by his own interpretation. Even scholars/theologians who study deeply more than we do, could not even agree among them the method (hermeneutics) of interpretation mao na nga lain lain gyud ang interpretation from one church to the other.

14:33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.

I must say you're taking the verse out of context. But let me borrow this verse as an example of a "skewed" interpretation of the Bible as this verse is "quoted in isolation" which I mentioned earlier in the thread. But if you read the entire 1Corinthians, the reason why Paul said about the confusion was the conflict or division that was ongoing among church members in Corinth as many of them were adopting pagan practices. Paul only wanted to say that God never was the author of paganism which caused the confusion in Corinth.

Thus this text does not necessarily refer to the confusion of the Bible. This is not what Paul referred to.

It is clearly men makes the confusion not the Bible.

Agree.

The Bible is written para sayon saboton dili complicated nor misleading.

The contents of the Bible is basically complicated ever since it was written, kay daghan pa kaayo wa nato mahibaw-an since the time of its writing. In other words, lisud na gyud siya daan sabton. The Bible was written as a testimony to God's presence and love for humanity - this is the simplest way to look at the Bible in its entirety.

And God only Justifies to those who correctly interpret it.

I don't want to comment. For me ang justification is in the heart NOT the interpretation. But I respect your views.

But granting that is how God justifies a person ang pangutana, kinsa may justified karon nga daghan man ang nagingon nga correct ilang interpretation?

Its the erroneous thinking that has caused confusion among christians that caused the division among us.

Agree. Chances are most have erred a great deal. One way or another, we may have contributed the division among us.

[brownprose]

Ang na confuse katong tawong nag salig sa Science of Interpretations or hermeneutic.

This is very sweeping and judgmental. Almost all Bible schools and scholars in the world today include Hermeneutics in their study. Hermeneutics is an attempt to simplify the complexities of the Bible para sayon ra nato itudlo sa uban. But then I'm not saying it is a perfect method BUT DILI LANG UNTA NATO I JUDGE.

[amingb]

I must say you're taking the verse out of context. But let me borrow this verse as an example of a "skewed" interpretation of the Bible as this verse is "quoted in isolation" which I mentioned earlier in the thread. But if you read the entire 1Corinthians, the reason why Paul said about the confusion was the conflict or division that was ongoing among church members in Corinth as many of them were adopting pagan practices. Paul only wanted to say that God never was the author of paganism which caused the confusion in Corinth.

Thus this text does not necessarily refer to the confusion of the Bible. This is not what Paul referred to.

sakto na imo imo bro address ni niya regarding sa mga pagans ... kinsa man nag Adopt ug paganism karon ?

Ang relation nila ni is God is Perfect ... if Bible is the cause of Confusion then God is Not Perfect .

16All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, 17so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.

If a Person cannot accurately interpret the word of God, can a person accept the Bible ? kinahanglan raman na ug persevere to para makasabot.

Almost all Bible base Churches have the same Doctrine, same interpretation of the Bible.

[amingb]

This is very sweeping and judgmental. Almost all Bible schools and scholars in the world today include Hermeneutics in their study. Hermeneutics is an attempt to simplify the complexities of the Bible para sayon ra nato itudlo sa uban. But then I'm not saying it is a perfect method BUT DILI LANG UNTA NATO I JUDGE.

Sori bro ... naa man gud not acceptible nga hermeneutics it only contribute to division, why ? lahi2x man cla ug interpretation, that is why its not acceptable.

some are ingoring literally kay gusto nila ang ilaha statement nga fits to them.

pero sakto ka bro dili tanan.

[brownprose]

sakto na imo imo bro address ni niya regarding sa mga pagans ... kinsa man nag Adopt ug paganism karon ?

I don't have a way of knowing which Church is pagan.

Kung striktohon gyud gani, mga pagans man pod ta kay we all come from pagan parents. Kanang symbolism nga gigamit sa mga doctors (a staff or rod, with a snake curled around it) is said to be the staff or rod of Aesculapius (also called Asklepios), the ancient mythical god of medicine. Kanang mga symbolisms/logos nga naa sa atong mga shirts, jeans, underwear, books, are mostly inspired by pagan art. Our wristwatches, our shoes, our clothes likewise have one form or another pagan influences. Our language, our alphabet, our numbers, too, have strong pagan influences. Even the cross, the decors we use during Christmas also have pagan roots and a whole lot more to mention.

One way or the other, all of us unknowingly promote paganism in some sense.

I cannot categorically say by authority of the scripture which churches today adopt strictly pagan practices although i only have my personal views.

Ang relation nila ni is God is Perfect ... if Bible is the cause of Confusion then God is Not Perfect.

Ang perfection sa tao dili makuha sa Bible ALONE. Remember we are not perfect because we "all have sinned and fall short of God's glory." Ang perfection is how you acknowledge your imperfections and how repentant you are to such imperfections. Then God will do the rest.

Just because there is confusion about the Bible means God is not perfect. You just said it in this thread earlier that it is the interpretation of men that caused the confusion.

16All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, 17so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.

Agree. But we have to also rebuke ourselves if we presume too much that we know the Bible that well. Coz no one will be able to achieve such kind of perfection as far as interpretation goes. Even Jesus' great disciples had instances of conflicts/disagreements about Jesus' teaching. (See post below)

If a Person cannot accurately interpret the word of God, can a person accept the Bible ? kinahanglan raman na ug persevere to para makasabot.

Yes. One can accept the Bible even if he/she cannot achieve the perfect interpretation.

As I have said, bisag si Paul ug si Peter, there was even a point of disagreement among the two great men of Jesus and His teachings, kita pa kaha? Try to read Galatians 2:11-14 and 2 Peter 3:15-16 as examples. Daghang pang instances that you can find in the Bible conflicting views about Jesus' teachings among his followers (ex. Paul and Barnabas, Paul and Mark, etc)

But then we need to acknowledge that disagreements will happen from time to time between Christians. If we cannot find agreement about our doctrine then we should seek peace, whether that is the peace of physical separation or the peace of not allowing the disagreement to affect relationships.

Almost all Bible base Churches have the same Doctrine, same interpretation of the Bible.

Doctrines are results of varied interpretations. They could be right or wrong depende sa nagtan-aw. However, it is not doctrine that can save man it is Jesus. The "Hows" is for Jesus alone to do and see in our hearts.

[necrotic freak]

pero unta dawaton ang kamatuoran nga kung wala pa unta mag mugna ug bible ang simbahan niadtong 3rd century pa, wala untay interpretation nga lahi2x ug wala unta tay laing denomination nga ning kuyanap..

[brownprose]

Sori bro ... naa man gud not acceptible nga hermeneutics it only contribute to division, why ? lahi2x man cla ug interpretation, that is why its not acceptable.

some are ingoring literally kay gusto nila ang ilaha statement nga fits to them.

pero sakto ka bro dili tanan.

Ok ra bro...

Disagreements happen among Christians. Bisag si Paul ug Peter gani at some point wa man gani magkasinabot (see previous post). They are part of a Christian's struggle to find a point of reconciliation and that we should pray harder to achieve that.

[brownprose]

pero unta dawaton ang kamatuoran nga kung wala pa unta mag mugna ug bible ang simbahan niadtong 3rd century pa, wala untay interpretation nga lahi2x ug wala unta tay laing denomination nga ning kuyanap..

Sakto pod ka. Ang variances sa interpretation to me is constructive kay it only shows our passion to seek and know God better.