Do you know that Christ was born October and not in December?

[COMCAM]

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way klaro, way explaination and if you do, it has to be something reliable

[bald_charma]

no one can give out the exact date kung when na panganak si Jesus... It is like you're telling us na you know the exact date namugna ang kalibutan...

[Swordslave]

its not important WHEN we celebrate His birth, whats important is that we acknowledge that He was born (meaning He became Man) and that we celebrate it.

[fossil]

So what's the relevance of having this christmas to fall on december knowing that christ was born on the october?

pls give us more info...

[brownprose]

its not important WHEN we celebrate His birth, whats important is that we acknowledge that He was born (meaning He became Man) and that we celebrate it.

well said.

[giovanni]

When Was Jesus Born?

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Nowadays, most serious Bible students and scholars agree in that Jesus was not born on December 25th. Why? It is simple. Because the shepherds had their flocks in open field [1] which implies a date prior to October. And having in mind that the reason why Joseph and his pregnant wife, Mary, traveled to Jerusalem in order to be taxated. No competent Roman administrator would require registration involving travel during the season when Judea was impassable. [2]

Who decided December 25th as Jesus' birthdate?
The early Christian church did not celebrate Jesus' birth, and therefore the exact date has not been preserved in festivals. The first recorded mention of December 25th is in the Calendar of Philocalus (354 A.D.) which assumed Jesus' birth to be Friday, December 25, 1 A.D.

December 25th was officially proclaimed by the church fathers in 440 A.D. as a sincretism between the new religion of the Roman Empire and the tradition of the Roman holiday of Saturnalia, observed near the winter solstice, which was among the many pagan traditions inherited from the earlier Babylonian priesthood. [3]

So the, just when was Jesus born? Although the Bible doesn't explicitly identify the birthday of our Lord, many scholars have developed diverse opinions as to the likely birthday of Jesus.

The Year of Jesus' Birth
In the other hand, the year of Jesus' birth is broadly accepted as 4 B.C., primarily from erroneous conclusions derived from Josephus' recording of an eclipse, assumed to be on March 13, 4 B.C., "shortly before Herod died." There are a number of problems with this, in addition to the fact that it was more likely the eclipse to happened on December 29, 1 .B.C. Considerable time elapsed between Jesus' birth and Herod's death since the family fled to Egypt to escape Herod' edict and they didn't return until after Herod's death.[4] Furthermore, Herod died on January 14, 1 B.C. [5]

Fact: Tertullian, (born about 160 A.D.) stated that Augustus began to rule 41 years before the birth of Jesus and died 15 years after that event. [6] Augustus' died on August 19, 14 A.D., placing Jesus' birth at 2. B.C. [7] Fact: Tertullian also notes that Jesus was born 28 years after the death of Cleopatra in 30 B.C., which is consistent with a date of 2 B.C.

Fact: Iraneus, born about a century after Jesus, also notes that the Lord was born in the 41st year of the reign of Augustus. Since Augustus began his reign in the autumn of 43 B.C., this also appears to substantiate the birth in 2 B.C.

Fact: Eusebius (264-340 A.D.), the "Father of Church History," ascribes it to the 42nd year of the reign of Augustus and the 28th from the subjection of Egypt on the death of Anthony and Cleopatra. [8] The 42nd year of Augustus ran from the autumn of 2 B.C. to the autumn of 1 B.C. The subjugation of Egypt into the Roman Empire occurred in the autumn of 30 B.C. The 28th year extended from the autumn of 3 B.C. to the autumn of 2 B.C. the only date that would meet both of these constraints would be the autumn of 2 B.C.

John the Baptist
Fact: Other approach to determining the date of Jesus' birth is from information about John the Baptist. Elizabeth, John's mother, was a cousin of Mary and the wife of a priest named Zacharias, who was the "course" of Abijah. [9] (Priests were divided into 24 courses [10] and each course officiated in the Temple for one week, from Sabbath to Sabbath.)

When the Temple was destroyed by Titus on August 5, 70 A.D., the first course of priests had just taken office. [11] Since the course of Abijah was the 8th course, we can track backwards and determine that Zacharias ended his duties on July 13, 3 B.C. If the birth of John took place 280 days later, it would have been on April 19-20, 2 B.C., precisely on Passover of that year. The birth of John and the birth of Jesus was separated by 5 months. Therefore, we have again the autumn of 2 B.C. as Jesus' probable birthdate.

Fact: John began his ministry in the 15th year of Tiberius Caesar. [12] The minimum age for the ministry was 30. [13] As Augustus died on August 19, 14 A.D., that was the accession year for Tiberius. If John was born on April 19-20, 2 B.C., his 30th birthday would have been April 19-20, 29 A.D., or the 15th year of Tiberius. This seems to confirm the 2 B.C. date and, since John was 5 months older, this also confirms the autumn birthdate for Jesus.

John's repeated introduction of Jesus as "The Lamb of God" [14] is interesting if John was indeed born on Passover.

Jesus' Birthdate
CONCLUSION: Elizabeth hid herself for 5 months and then the Angel Gabriel announced to Mary both Elizabeth's condition and that Mary would also bear a son who would be called Jesus. Mary went "with haste" to visit Elizabeth, who was then in the first week of her 6th month, or the 4th week of December, 3 B.C. If Jesus was born 280 days later it would place his birth on September 29, 2 B.C.

[pijavier]

October? do they even have calendars back in the old days, but i sure do know its not December... who cares, as long as we celebrate it and celebrate it right.

[vern]

heh, Catholics are notorious for not knowing the facts of their religion.

[mikogerald]

SUre? pro bacin pud ky wala man pud na gi specific sa catholic na dec.25 gyd. bali ni assume lang sila na kana na date nalang ang gamiton. basta naka dungog rapud ko ani. tinoud btaw dili dec na tao si Jesus. pro wala pud ko kabaw kong kanus.a gyd.

[jdimpas]

bati man pud kung october wala pa ang 13th month.. mao december nalang.. :mrgreen: :mrgreen: ayaw libog2x gud!