Java or .Net?

[silent-kill]

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In my opinion, I think the reason why java is more popular is because of flexibility and freedom from vendor lock-in. A .net application means buying almost everything from microsoft.
Your java program can run on almost every available OS in the market like Linux(free), Windows, Unix, Mac, etc. While a .net application only runs on Windows as far as I know.
A java based web application can run on many servers like tomcat(free), orion etc etc. But an ASP (microsoft) based web application I think only runs on IIS which is still from microsoft and you buy it.
A java based distributed application can run on may application servers like jboss, websphere, etc etc, and many of these application servers are free.
In .net, the application server is already integrated into the OS where the .net framework is installed, and no doubt, this OS will be only windows, so again, no other choices for you.

The tools available for creating .net applications are also microsoft centric. As far as I know, only visual studio (still from microsoft) is the only decent tool which can be used for creating .net applications and its not free, you can pirate it though at your own risk. With java, there are many tools to choose from, you can have eclipse(free), netbeans(free), JDeveloper, WSAD, etc etc. And many of these tools are free and can run on free OS like linux and some Unix variants. And most start up companies who are so particular about their budget would rather choose the free than buying microsoft products, thus the reason why java is leading.

So if your a windows fanatic, want to donate to Bill Gate's Foundation, and want to be lock-in to microsoft products, choose .net.
If you want something free and have freedom of choice, choose j2ee.

But with regards to which tool(j2ee or .net) can solve best a customer's business problems, all will actually depend on the software engineers who are designing the system.

our .net framework can run on linux + apache .net is supposed to be platform independent... dont know with M$ lately, mostly when your programming you have targeted systems too. most applications have different builds depending on its OS so its out of the question. if you just stick to the native .net framework.. then you can be assured that it will also run on linux

Bill Gate's strategy of monopolizing the market is so blatant. I wonder why other people still can't see this? I don't mean to offend anyone but shouldn't we all be contributing to the open-source community where tools are not being monopolized?

MS strategy is to make it extremely easy to develop applications that even non-programmers can make them. They actually take the "studying part" from you. The one where you actually exercise your resourcefulness and eliminate laziness. And once they get you hooked, you're locked in to them. And you can't do any further developing without buying their other products.

Personally, what pisses me off is that people support this because Windows environment is a lot easier and oh well - I don't have to study hard about those things... And Bill Gates feeds on this laziness.

thats why there is technology, to make things better and easier. why not code in ASM? java makes you lazier than using ASM. , also why adopt OOP it makes you more lazy because of code re-use heeheh. in our field where change is a must the fastest to adopt to change survives

[INFRACTION]

mao gyud.... saman gusto nato balik tas karaan panahon na lisud kaau ang programming lolz kaau

[bcasabee]

Yeah you got a point in there too. Whats important in the end is that your paid real good for knowing what others don't.

thats why there is technology, to make things better and easier. why not code in ASM? java makes you lazier than using ASM. , also why adopt OOP it makes you more lazy because of code re-use heeheh. in our field where change is a must the fastest to adopt to change survives

[moz_k2]

Kung unsa ang gusto sa customer nga ipagamit sa amoa mao ang gamiton.
Been to different project using the different languages
C--PowerBuilder--Vb--Java + 3d--.Net

But if ako jud ang magbout, java jud.

[eax]

Have you heard the 'express' edition? thus are free...or Sharp Develop(open source editor for .net)? About running .net application only in Windows, well here's an article for it. http://www.mono-project.com/Main_Page

Naa Mono but still behind pa kaayo siya sa MS windows counterpart. Ang Mono mo support pa gud ug .NET version 1.1. Then sa Windows mo release na gud sila sa .NET 3.5.

Para nako ang Mono is very behind sa Windows.

[silent-kill]

yep bro mono is behind. compared to 3.5. but 3.5 is not really 3.5 according to the guy who interviewed me eheheh. but its 3.0, 2.5 was re-named to 3.0 (for marketing strat) then 3.5.. not really much have changed from 2 - 3.5 but some additional features that not most are using , the essentials are in 1.1 - 2.0, 2.0 has some re-arrangements in terms of namespaces. but there are work around for 1.1 to 2.0 so for me its not too behind

[eax]

yep bro mono is behind. compared to 3.5. but 3.5 is not really 3.5 according to the guy who interviewed me eheheh. but its 3.0, 2.5 was re-named to 3.0 (for marketing strat) then 3.5.. not really much have changed from 2 - 3.5 but some additional features that not most are using , the essentials are in 1.1 - 2.0, 2.0 has some re-arrangements in terms of namespaces. but there are work around for 1.1 to 2.0 so for me its not too behind

Ang Mono Linux dili pa supported ug generics, wala pa siya debugging ang mga IDE, and ang Windows Form is still not fully supported.

[digitalsuperman]

Ang Mono Linux dili pa supported ug generics, wala pa siya debugging ang mga IDE, and ang Windows Form is still not fully supported.

WinForms is patented by microsoft thats why mono is still dependent on GTK for their gui..but who knows, basin ilang luag-luagan ilang patents para mo develop ang mono ug maayo..

as for MS monopolizing.. i realy don't see it that way.. thats how business really goes.. they also have their own developers to pay..of course they need to generate income to pay those developers..

[bcasabee]

Sa amoang company kay we only have one build. It's build once, deploy on any application server on any OS. And we are using java.

most applications have different builds depending on its OS so its out of the question.

[silent-kill]

erm... according to mono supported naman daw ang generics bro.

ive always wonder kong kinsai mas paspas mo execute let say same program same line of codes. kinsa mas paspas mo execute .net or java?. any ideas?.

ang di nako gusto sa java iyang file structuring. samokan ko hehehe

i guest in due time ila rana i release ang implementation sa .net framework. parihas ato ilang office (Excel,word) ila man to ge release. mao to daghan tao naka himo og "office like apps" like open office. and all those hardcore Readers/writers.