On Tithes and Offerings...

[barcode 999]

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10% of your hard earned money is pure Highway robbery!

corekek!!!! :mrgreen:

[bluefairy]

10% of your hard earned money is pure Highway robbery!

huh? nganong maka ingon man ka highway robbery na ang Ginoo man mismo ga ingon? Besides, ang church dile man mamugos na mo tithe jud ka ug 10%, it's between you and God. Wala man sila'y ledger na maglista kung pila imong gi hatag taga offering.

Old Testament:

Malachi 3:8-10

8 "Will a man rob God? Yet you rob me.
"But you ask, 'How do we rob you?'
"In tithes and offerings. 9 You are under a curse—the whole nation of you—because you are robbing me. 10 Bring the whole tithe into the storehouse, that there may be food in my house. Test me in this," says the LORD Almighty, "and see if I will not throw open the floodgates of heaven and pour out so much blessing that you will not have room enough for it.

New Testament:

[b]Matthew 23:23

23"Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You give a tenth of your spices—mint, dill and cummin. But you have neglected the more important matters of the law—justice, mercy and faithfulness. You should have practiced the latter, without neglecting the former.

[amingb]

Correct. but to say all of them is hypocrites is hypocracy at its worst, don't you think so? naa man siguro mapili ana nila, saman pud nato dri tanan, naa may people with admirable character.


@amingb

Al'lah is the Moon god? i thought he is the sun god of the muslim, that's why when the muslims pray they face the sun.

Moon God na cia kita ka anang Insignia nila nga naay moon ug sanggot man cguro na ...

Ang karong panahuna gud naay mga relihiyon mag himo2x, sayon raman pag prove ug tinod anay nang ilaha ...

False Church Karon is mo ask ug Money mandatory base dayon anang Verse sa Malacai, mangayo dayon na cla ug pila imoha offering sunod semana bro/sis, e lista pa jud ug pila imoha hatag unya paninglon ka ana ..... Ug kabalo kas Bible dili man ka ma ilad ... wala naman nang 10% karon depende rana sa imohang kasing2x

Sakto ka bro dili pud tanan mangingilad, mas daghan ang nag tarong karon kay sa nanapi lang.

[dartzed]

Moon God na cia kita ka anang Insignia nila nga naay moon ug sanggot man cguro na ...

Ang karong panahuna gud naay mga relihiyon mag himo2x, sayon raman pag prove ug tinod anay nang ilaha ...

False Church Karon is mo ask ug Money mandatory base dayon anang Verse sa Malacai, mangayo dayon na cla ug pila imoha offering sunod semana bro/sis, e lista pa jud ug pila imoha hatag unya paninglon ka ana ..... Ug kabalo kas Bible dili man ka ma ilad ... wala naman nang 10% karon depende rana sa imohang kasing2x

Sakto ka bro dili pud tanan mangingilad, mas daghan ang nag tarong karon kay sa nanapi lang.

mao na giingon "sa mailad lang"...

hehehe

[Mr.Ho_chia]

hypothetical....nice excuse, lets review what you posted....shall we??

hmmm, but to say all of them....i never said ALL of them. putting words in my mouth, eh??
**saying ALL isnt hypothetical...thats exclusivity...absolutism.

it's qualifying......... "saying all"......... and if it's not "all" then it is no longer hypocracy at its worst.......

[makusama]

huh? nganong maka ingon man ka highway robbery na ang Ginoo man mismo ga ingon? Besides, ang church dile man mamugos na mo tithe jud ka ug 10%, it's between you and God. Wala man sila'y ledger na maglista kung pila imong gi hatag taga offering.

Old Testament:

Malachi 3:8-10

8 "Will a man rob God? Yet you rob me.
"But you ask, 'How do we rob you?'
"In tithes and offerings. 9 You are under a curse—the whole nation of you—because you are robbing me. 10 Bring the whole tithe into the storehouse, that there may be food in my house. Test me in this," says the LORD Almighty, "and see if I will not throw open the floodgates of heaven and pour out so much blessing that you will not have room enough for it.

New Testament:

[b]Matthew 23:23

23"Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You give a tenth of your spices—mint, dill and cummin. But you have neglected the more important matters of the law—justice, mercy and faithfulness. You should have practiced the latter, without neglecting the former.

Pharisees diay ka? Teacher of the law diay ka? aw mao na? ang leaders man diay dapat mu hatag dili man diay ang followers! Klaroha na imong quotes oi! sa kahimtang karon ang teachers of the law man ang nangolekta?! ayayay... lisora ani oi... paningil mo sa inyong pastor kay sila diay dapat mu hatag dili kamo... gibali2x man ang biblia tsk tsk tsk...[br]Posted on: November 30, 2007, 04:20:51 PM_________________________________________________C hurches, ministries, religious leaders, and televangelists are guilty of making false representations, when they engage in selective referencing of the Bible. Their appeals for your "tithe" money rely on these false representations. They are supposedly based on just one source - the Bible. But they deliberately fail to disclose ALL the "Biblical facts". Have you ever heard an organized religioneer admit that, according to the Bible:

(1) Tithes were not money ... they were food.
(2) Only the Hebrew tribe of Levi were ever ordained by God to receive tithes.
(3) The tribe of Levi received tithes for basic survival ... because God decreed that they did not get any land.
(4) The people could choose who to give tithes to.
(5) Tithes were only set aside once every 3 years.
(6) Tithes were not the first 10%, but the last 10%.
(7) The only example of NT believers being asked to give, or take up a collection ... was for the POOR in Jerusalem.
( There is not one example in the NT of "tithes" being given to the church, or its leaders (Peter, James, John, or Paul).
(9) Jesus /follower, James, wrote that "pure religion" means caring for orphans and widows ... those who really need your tithes.

Misrepresenting the actual writings of a third party as means to encourage or pressure people to give you money ... is fraud. Truth-in-advertising laws do not permit the kind of false statements, selective referencing, and misrepresentations commonly employed by organized religioneers to fleece their flocks. It is also misleading and deceptive conduct to provide only that information which supports your sales pitch, particularly where any "facts" used in support of your claim are disputed.

The organized religioneer presents him or her self, and so is perceived by most lay people, as an authority on the Bible. Many boast a "degree" in theology from a Bible college or tertiary education facility. This builds the perception of their "expertise".

[dartzed]

Pharisees diay ka? Teacher of the law diay ka? aw mao na? ang leaders man diay dapat mu hatag dili man diay ang followers! Klaroha na imong quotes oi! sa kahimtang karon ang teachers of the law man ang nangolekta?! ayayay... lisora ani oi... paningil mo sa inyong pastor kay sila diay dapat mu hatag dili kamo... gibali2x man ang biblia tsk tsk tsk...[br]Posted on: November 30, 2007, 04:20:51 PM_________________________________________________C hurches, ministries, religious leaders, and televangelists are guilty of making false representations, when they engage in selective referencing of the Bible. Their appeals for your "tithe" money rely on these false representations. They are supposedly based on just one source - the Bible. But they deliberately fail to disclose ALL the "Biblical facts". Have you ever heard an organized religioneer admit that, according to the Bible:

(1) Tithes were not money ... they were food.
(2) Only the Hebrew tribe of Levi were ever ordained by God to receive tithes.
(3) The tribe of Levi received tithes for basic survival ... because God decreed that they did not get any land.
(4) The people could choose who to give tithes to.
(5) Tithes were only set aside once every 3 years.
(6) Tithes were not the first 10%, but the last 10%.
(7) The only example of NT believers being asked to give, or take up a collection ... was for the POOR in Jerusalem.
( There is not one example in the NT of "tithes" being given to the church, or its leaders (Peter, James, John, or Paul).
(9) Jesus /follower, James, wrote that "pure religion" means caring for orphans and widows ... those who really need your tithes.

Misrepresenting the actual writings of a third party as means to encourage or pressure people to give you money ... is fraud. Truth-in-advertising laws do not permit the kind of false statements, selective referencing, and misrepresentations commonly employed by organized religioneers to fleece their flocks. It is also misleading and deceptive conduct to provide only that information which supports your sales pitch, particularly where any "facts" used in support of your claim are disputed.

The organized religioneer presents him or her self, and so is perceived by most lay people, as an authority on the Bible. Many boast a "degree" in theology from a Bible college or tertiary education facility. This builds the perception of their "expertise".

nice very well explained...

[barcode 999]

Pharisees diay ka? Teacher of the law diay ka? aw mao na? ang leaders man diay dapat mu hatag dili man diay ang followers! Klaroha na imong quotes oi! sa kahimtang karon ang teachers of the law man ang nangolekta?! ayayay... lisora ani oi... paningil mo sa inyong pastor kay sila diay dapat mu hatag dili kamo... gibali2x man ang biblia tsk tsk tsk...[br]Posted on: November 30, 2007, 04:20:51 PM_________________________________________________C hurches, ministries, religious leaders, and televangelists are guilty of making false representations, when they engage in selective referencing of the Bible. Their appeals for your "tithe" money rely on these false representations. They are supposedly based on just one source - the Bible. But they deliberately fail to disclose ALL the "Biblical facts". Have you ever heard an organized religioneer admit that, according to the Bible:

(1) Tithes were not money ... they were food.
(2) Only the Hebrew tribe of Levi were ever ordained by God to receive tithes.
(3) The tribe of Levi received tithes for basic survival ... because God decreed that they did not get any land.
(4) The people could choose who to give tithes to.
(5) Tithes were only set aside once every 3 years.
(6) Tithes were not the first 10%, but the last 10%.
(7) The only example of NT believers being asked to give, or take up a collection ... was for the POOR in Jerusalem.
( There is not one example in the NT of "tithes" being given to the church, or its leaders (Peter, James, John, or Paul).
(9) Jesus /follower, James, wrote that "pure religion" means caring for orphans and widows ... those who really need your tithes.

Misrepresenting the actual writings of a third party as means to encourage or pressure people to give you money ... is fraud. Truth-in-advertising laws do not permit the kind of false statements, selective referencing, and misrepresentations commonly employed by organized religioneers to fleece their flocks. It is also misleading and deceptive conduct to provide only that information which supports your sales pitch, particularly where any "facts" used in support of your claim are disputed.

The organized religioneer presents him or her self, and so is perceived by most lay people, as an authority on the Bible. Many boast a "degree" in theology from a Bible college or tertiary education facility. This builds the perception of their "expertise".

hala! puro d i ni mga binu-ang mga relihiyon na tukod diri sa pilipinas?
astang bu-anga! wahahahahahah :mrgreen:

[makusama]

@everyone who is misinterpreting the muslim religion
- this is a bit unfair on their part since I had a healthy conversation a while back with a muslim (regarding the differences in our religions) and their religion is nothing near to what you guys are speculating. Ayaw lagi mo anang prejudice. Ask a true follower, ask a leader and read books, search the net and dont be one sided. Unsaon nato pag sabot sa atong mga silingan na muslim kung pataka lang ta og sabot? Lets stick to the threads topic.

[barcode 999]

@everyone who is misinterpreting the muslim religion
- this is a bit unfair on their part since I had a healthy conversation a while back with a muslim (regarding the differences in our religions) and their religion is nothing near to what you guys are speculating. Ayaw lagi mo anang prejudice. Ask a true follower, ask a leader and read books, search the net and dont be one sided. Unsaon nato pag sabot sa atong mga silingan na muslim kung pataka lang ta og sabot? Lets stick to the threads topic.

mao bitaw wala ko ni tubay ni Amingb bro kay sa ako tan-aw mabaw ra kaayo iya sabot sa islam religion.
dili jud ka mag expect og sakto nga tubag kung ing ana ka mabaw iya nahibaw-an. :mrgreen: