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    Quote Originally Posted by Panasonic View Post
    Top of my head, another big one is Michael Yang. But he isn't running for public office. Wala koy lain mahuna hunaan karon.
    I believe Michael Yang is a private person and not running for public office. So, he is presumed innocent until guilty.

    A simple google would say that 4 days ago, PDEA says they are still investigating Michael Yang's involvement.

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    I think I'm getting where you are going.

    Let's frame it this way.


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    For people running for public office only.

    The President released the Narco List, somebody asked if it was a violation against "presumption of innocence".

    Panelo countered that the people have "the right to know" as ensured by the 1987 Constitution itself.

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    For me though, it should have been the doctrine of the "publics right to know" versus "the right to privacy" .

    Releasing the Narco List doesn't automatically mean that you are guilty though.

    You still have the recourse of clearing your name or even going to the courts for libel.


    Presumption of innocence are settled in court and not in the court of public opinion though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Panasonic View Post
    Wala pa ta naabot sa courts ani. Ang issue sa ato conversation is the inconsistency by which Duterte treats Polong compared to other people. Duterte, through Panelo, said that those running for public office are fair game and that they are guilty until proven innocent.

    Polong is running for public office. There are a lot of issues hounding Polong. Using Duterte's logic, Polong is guilty of ALL these issues. People have a right to know diba? That narco-list alone violates the right to privacy of the people in it kay it exposes them and their families to public scrutiny. But why is Duterte so silent about Polong?

    Wala toy labot ang libel sa gi ingon na doctrine ni Panelo kay he mentioned libel as a defense against the list.
    Really, I would like to watch the entirety of the video before really delving into this.

    Panelo as a lawyer, I don't believe he would prescribe to the idea.

    I would give a clearer opinion when I'm done watching Panelo's conference though.

    Again, I think this is an issue of .

    People running for public office, and "the public's right to know" vs "Right to Privacy".

    I think presumption of innocence is only secondary when the above is answered.

    Also, you can't claim presumption of innocence, when there is no case.

    I'm getting too technical, but I think you get the idea.

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    Nangugat gyud og ligwat ning preacher ni Duterte diri.

    Pero maski unsaon nila'g bali2x, tataw gyud ang isyu.

    Maski mga tambay sa kanto nakapanguta gyud ani:

    Kun ang mga mayor, congressman, etc...nga naapil sa narco list gi-pressure ni Duterte nga i-clear ilang pangalan, NGANONG WALA MAN NIYA GI-PRESSURE SI POLONG NGA IPAKITA sa publiko nga dili tinuod nga dunay tattoo sa drug syndicate iyang likod?

    Mao man unta na ang pinakasayon nga serbisyo nga mahimo sa mga Duterte para mawala ang kabalaka ug pagduda sa publiko nga nasudlan na'g drug syndicate ang gobyerno sa Pilipinas.

    PILI2X RA DIAY NING DRUG WAR NGA GIBUHISAN ug liboan ka kinabuhi ug binilyon nga kwarta gikan sa katawhan?

  5. #17345
    Fact Check Break sa ta mga bradier.

    Dili ni tinuod ning nanggawas nga balita sa socmed bahin sa aircraft carrier nga ginganla'g BRP Duterte.

    Photoshopped image lang ni.



    Kanang barkoha, sa U.S. Navy na. Nia ra ang original image.

    https://news.abs-cbn.com/news/04/12/...-after-duterte



    Grabeha na's kadesperado ang mga DDS karon. Maski obvious kaayong bakak, i-spread gihapon sa clouds aron matabunan kining drug syndicate isyu sa mga Duterte ug kang Bong Go.

    Sa mailad lang.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Panasonic View Post
    Ill wait for that clearer opinion then, if any.

    Also, of course you can claim. That constitutional guarantee is always applicable even when there is no case. Like you said, preliminary investigation. There is no case yet, but the presumption is already there.
    What I could find in the press release are here:

    March 4, 2019
    https://pcoo.gov.ph/press-briefing/p...dor-panelo-40/

    March 5, 2019
    https://pcoo.gov.ph/press-briefing/p...dor-panelo-41/

    March 7, 2019

    https://pcoo.gov.ph/press-briefing/p...dor-panelo-42/

    And the article you cited here is on March 5, 2019.

    https://www.philstar.com/headlines/2...ved-candidates

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    Saba-a kaayo'g pangampanya si Duterte ug iyang mga kandidato pero ngano kahang hilom sila bahin sa Marawi nga giguba' ug gidugmok ni Duterte?

    PDP senatorial bets push for various issues in Marawi rally but mum on reparation bill

    https://www.mindanews.com/top-storie...paration-bill/

    Grabe gyud ka destructive ug divisive ning pwersang Digong. Pulos lang extreme measures ang solution. Ang resulta, mas dako pa ang nahimong kadaut. Imbes masolbad ang problema kun iyang mahawiran, mo-multiply nuon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Panasonic View Post
    Control F sa imo March 5 link:

    “Moreover, the constitutional presumption of innocence – to my mind and to the President’s mind – have been waived by reason of their running for public office; because when you run for public office, everything is a fair game – you open yourself to criticism… kakalkalin lahat iyong buhay mo diyan. So noong pumasok sila diyan, they already take the risk of being exposed if they are involved.
    Yet, ang pinakasimple nga pagpakita sa tattoo ni Polong nga na-link sa drug syndicate dili nila mahimo?

    A bunch of shameless hypocrites!

    Ingna nuon nga kanang ilang narcolist, paagi na nila aron MAPUGOS og suporta sa ila ang tanang local candidates. Ang dili mosuporta, i-apil og lista.

    OPLOK na gyud ang pangutok sa dili makasabot ana.

    @Panasonic, lagmit ang sunod tubag anang imong ka-istorya is 'Dili man na official position ni Duterte, opinion ra man ng Panelo.'

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    with the spread of fake news (including the gullible DDS followers who blindly 'Share' news, i can only think of this (The Saint) movie lines sa nag-una ug spread sa fake news:


    Ivan Tretiak : I invest millions, and you can't make it work! What are you doing with my money? Do you think... it comes so easy? No!

    Dr. Lev Botvin : But sir, I have been working for nearly two weeks without sleep. At first blush, the theorem appears quite impressive, convincing.

    Ivan Tretiak : It does? Yes... It does. Good man, we can use it to destroy our enemies. Only Dr.Russell can spoil my plan

  10. #17350
    Daghan nangutana ngano daw gipamugos gyud ni Duterte nga bahin-bahinon ang whole nation into small federal states pinaagi sa iyang proposed PEPEDEDEralismo maski WALA gyud magkinahanglan ang mga pilipino ana.

    Divisive leader lang gyud kaha ni siya? Maong pulos LANG pagbulag2x, pagbahin2x ug pagtanom og kalibug, kagubot ug pagdumot sa mga nagkalahi-lahing pundok ug civil societies sa atong nasud ang kaya niyang buhaton?

    Case in point:

    Pag-split sa Palawan into 3 provinces.

    3-province Palawan splits residents
    https://newsinfo.inquirer.net/110672...lits-residents

    Ang Palawan usa sa mga lugar nga duol kaayo sa West Philippine Sea kansang mga isla ug kadagatan gihinay-hinayan nag occupy sa mga intsik kansang leader suod kaayo ni Duterte.

    Dili kaha taktika ni sa mga intsik nga pinaagi sa 'puppet' president, bahin-bahinon ang mga parte nga gusto nilang sakopon aron mas less ang resistance ug sayon ra angkonon?

    Dili kaha divide-and-conquer ning ilang gihimo karon?

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