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  1. #31

    Quote Originally Posted by <SMILE> View Post
    Matthew 7:1-3
    1 Do not judge so that you will not be judged. 2"For in the way you judge, you will be judged; and by your standard of measure, it will be measured to you. 3"Why do you look at the speck that is in your brother's eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye?…
    Padayon sa verse 4-5. Context lage. How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye.

    Klaro kaayo bai sa konteksto na ang pasabot sa Ginoo kanang pag judge na inipokrito ba. Kuhaa sa ang puling sa imong mata before nimo makita ang puling sa mata sa imo igsuon. Jesus is teaching HOW we should judge. Sa laktod nga pagkasulti kon mamuyag ka siguradoa nga wa ka nagpabuyag. Unsaon nimo pag-ingon nga ayaw ug pangabit kon ikaw nangabit? Wa nay sense ang 4-5 if di man gani ta mo judge. Unsaon man nato na pagtuman? Gahulat pa ko sa imong tubag sa miagi nako nga post kun unsaon pagtuman. Wa jud nimo gi address, cge lang ako gatubag diri.

    John 12:30-32
    30 Jesus answered and said, "This voice has not come for My sake, but for your sakes. 31"Now judgment is upon this world; now the ruler of this world will be cast out. 32"And I, if I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all men to Myself.
    wa man ni labot sa church discipline.

    Corinthians 4:2-4
    2 In this case, moreover, it is required of stewards that one be found trustworthy. 3But to me it is a very small thing that I may be examined by you, or by any human court; in fact, I do not even examine myself. 4For I am conscious of nothing against myself, yet I am not by this acquitted; but the one who examines me is the Lord.…
    bai konteksto lage.. di jud ka makasabot sa ipasabot ni Pablo kon pataka lang kag pugnit2 ug mga bersekulo diha. Kumo naay "judging" mao na? Di na mao. Tagaan tika gamayng background unsa ang nahitabo sa Corinthian church bai aron di na ka kinahanglang mobasa sa duha ka libro, pero kon ganahan ka basahon nimo ang duha padayon. Pero mao ni ang background. Didto sa Corinth nagubot ni sila didto kay naglalis ni sila kinsa jud mas labaw na leader si Pablo ba o si Apollos ba(Chapter 3). Mao nga sa v.1 sa Ch.4 ingon siya This, then, is how you ought to regard us: as servants of Christ and as those entrusted with the mysteries God has revealed. Sa laktod pagkastorya ingon si Pablo "ingon-ani dapat inyo lantawn sa usa ka alagad ni Cristo". Unsa iyang ipasabot? sa v.2 niingon si Pablo "Now it is required that those who have been given a trust must prove faithful. Nga dapat matinud-anon ang usa ka alagad. Sa unsang paagi man mahibaw-an? through scrutiny/thorough investigation mao nay pasabot sa Greek word na gitranslate sa English as "found" or "prove". Dapat masuta jud kon matinud-anon ba jud sya ug way binuang niya. Sa v.3-4 ingon si Pablo I care very little if I am judged by you or by any human court; indeed, I do not even judge myself. My conscience is clear, but that does not make me innocent. It is the Lord who judges me. Ingon si Pablo "wa koy paki kon pagtan-aw ninyo wa ko kapasar sa inyong standard isip apostol. I'm accountable to God and my conscience is clear wa ko nagbinuang". This is in relation sa previous chapter about sa work sa mga "workers" e.i apostles/preachers/teachers/elders na one day their works will be tested if masunog ba or dili. In that sense way tao nga makahukom ana kay matud pang Pablo sa v.5 nga He will bring to light what is hidden in darkness and will expose the motives of the heart. At that time each will receive their praise from God. So mao na sya bai. Paul is not teaching there to not judge between right or wrong or against church discipline but against a type of judgment na gi reserve para sa Ginoo.

    1 Thessalonians 4:13-18
    13 But we do not want you to be uninformed, brethren, about those who are asleep, so that you will not grieve as do the rest who have no hope. 14For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will bring with Him those who have fallen asleep in Jesus. 15For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord, will not precede those who have fallen asleep. 16For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. 17Then we who are alive and remain will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we shall always be with the Lord. 18Therefore comfort one another with these words.
    Wa sad ni kalabotan sa church discipline.

    I could not see any that justify that we should judge,
    Coz you're not looking at the right places and you're dodging my questions that could've helped you see the answer.

    iyag-yag kuno nan'ng imong nahibaloan atong tan-awon.
    you're playing with words will never work with me, ayaw ug hugaw-hugawi ang bibliya doh.
    Gabaan baya ka ana.
    I'm not playing with words. It's the context that determines the meaning and not the words per se and this is true sa Greek words na daghan ang meaning like the word that is translated as "judgment" in English. This is true to the English language as well. Makuha nimo ang unsay gimean ana na word kon imo tan-awn giunsa sya pag-gamit sa sentence. Execption lang jud ana niya kon ang word wa na jud laing meaning.

    Palihug ko tubag sa ako pangutana:
    1.) Unsaon nato pagtuman sa Jn.7:24 if we are not going to judge?
    2.) 1 Cor.5:12-13, Paul is telling the Corinthians that we(Christians) have no business judging the unbelievers but we are to judge those who are in the church and expel the unrepentant person from the fellowship. How are we going to follow this instruction if we are not to judge?
    3.) Mat.7:15 Beware of the false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly are ravenous wolves. How are we going to know who are these wolves in sheep's clothing without judging them to be wolves?
    Last edited by NapoleonBlownapart; 03-29-2016 at 12:04 AM.

  2. #32
    Quote Originally Posted by Scott Bernard View Post
    As much as I respect the Church... Kaning "Year of Mercy" nga ge impose ni Pope Francis, mura man ug la-in.... As a theist, how can any man assume nga ge sunod pod ni sa Ginoo sa taas?

    Lain man gud ang idea nako aning "Year of Mercy"... meaning pwede rata maka buhat ug sala or violation pero after enjoying it, mangayo ta ug sorry... pasayloon ta.

    Ingon man gani si Pope Francis, pwede ra pasayloon ang mga nagpa abort kung nangayo na sila ug sorry.

    Seeing the recent news nga naay ge labay nga aborted twins sa manila... ilang suspect kay estudyante ron. So after a month or years mangayo rato ug sorry ang girl then pasayloon ra.


    IMHO, ang Roman Catholic Church these days kay nagka soft na... that's why other groups such as ISIS are winning over the Christian World.
    usna naman pud kaha ta nga year run nga 2018 naman? hehehe

    the year of mercy declaration thingy is actually the Church's way of highlighting the teaching about forgiveness and mercy, that anyone who asks for forgiveness can be forgiven. symepre new year, and by declaring it as a year of mercy, the thought might inspire people to repent and turn to God. ana lang..prehas gud whenever mag new year..kasagaran muingon dayun..hoy mag bag-o na ta kay new year na..or there's always this talk about new year's resolution( ambut ug naa ba juy matuman)..same ra nga concept.
    as for God, if nahimuot ba sya sa kalaki sa Pope nga nag declare2x ug year of mercy..well, according to Church teaching, God is the fullness of mercy. so I think di ra guro sya malain..hahaha
    The Church declared a year of mercy but never did she confirm nga pagpakasala ra kay pwede ra pasayloon..
    as for the girl nga nagpa-abort the year of mercy declaration is actually an invitation for her to repent and not a hallpass to continue sinning given the offer of forgiveness.

  3. #33
    walay tuig2x anang forgiveness and mercy oi.. dapat taga adlaw it possessed in you. sa dihang gipangutana si Jesus kapila daw ta makapasaylo sa imong brothers or sisters . seventy times seven times daw. Parehas ra pod na kung kapila ta nakasala sa atong Ginoo di na natong maihap. nakonsensya ba ka nga nagpakasala ka sa Iyaha. pero wa man ta niya gicondemned still He is faithful and just to forgive us. but yes sa tanang sugo mao na jud siguro ni nga butang ang pinakalisod buhaton sa Tao ang pagpasaylo. Pasayloa ang imong kaaway bisan pag makasala nimog ka 100..ahahaha!

  4. #34
    Quote Originally Posted by WengIA View Post
    walay tuig2x anang forgiveness and mercy oi.. dapat taga adlaw it possessed in you. sa dihang gipangutana si Jesus kapila daw ta makapasaylo sa imong brothers or sisters . seventy times seven times daw. Parehas ra pod na kung kapila ta nakasala sa atong Ginoo di na natong maihap. nakonsensya ba ka nga nagpakasala ka sa Iyaha. pero wa man ta niya gicondemned still He is faithful and just to forgive us. but yes sa tanang sugo mao na jud siguro ni nga butang ang pinakalisod buhaton sa Tao ang pagpasaylo. Pasayloa ang imong kaaway bisan pag makasala nimog ka 100..ahahaha!
    hahaha aw strategy ra gud nas santo papa ang year of mercy bai kay aside sa nindut paminawn murag maka agni sa mga tao nga mangayo ug pasaylo...hinlabi na kung new year..murag swak kaau bah for a new start...

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