Kinsa jud imo gituohan kung diin jud tah gikan, ang Bible or Science?

[BlueIre]

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" Scientists said they had finished writing the "book of life", the three billion letters of DNA that make up the human genome. "

Every book has its own author, so if the Scientist said they finished writing the book of life. Then who is the author/creator of our DNA? i don't think a book creates its own story. but if you think outside the box, you will come up to a question as to who is our creator. therefore in conclusion a super-being exist.

[RACER X]

What questions bro? I already made my point. That the bible is limited only to humans, it focuses on humans and the God of the bible claims to be God of everything which makes earth the focus of all creation. That's what I've been trying to point out and I greatly disagree to this because this makes humans stand out from the rest which should not be the case. We're only part of the bigger picture.

- in the Biblical worldview, the Universe was created by God and Man is created in his image and likeness and is central to the reason for his creation. You are part of that special creation.

You see man, I don't have to describe an extraterrestrial intelligent being. What does appearance have to do with it? They have the same complex form like us so they can communicate with us, period. The question about why do they need salvation, because the God of your bible is going to destroy everything. Wouldn't it be unfair for a God to let a race die just because humans are sinners? Why do they have to suffer something they're not accountable of? These are all assumptions that I would like to question when these other races are proven to exist.

- see you fail to see the point and fail to answer several WHY questions. Granting but not admitting there is life outside of the earth - why do you think they're "intelligent"? why do you think they will be as complexed as us? why do you hold the worldview that you have, even that you don't have an iota of evidence of extra terrestrial life much less their description?

To your biblical worldview....man, you sound like a flat earther. Who thinks that all creations are revolving for humanity. Well that's what the bible believes. But for me, humans are only part of the whole.

- Me a flat earther? far from it. What do you mean when you say "well that's what the bible believes"? - the bible doesn't believe anything - lol.

"Many have been taught that life arose on this planet spontaneously and evolved into complex organisms. If it happened here, they believe, surely it could happen elsewhere in the universe. But the search process for extra-terrestrial life and another earth has all been in vain, even with the latest sensationalized news of a "possible" new earth - there are no pictures or accurate descriptions to prove."

- this is why i asked what your worldview is - you're an Athiest or Agnostic who believes in evolution? interesting point when you said "if it happened here, they believe, surely it could happen elsewhere in the universe" - this is the hallmark of someone who believes that Creation - whether the Universe or all living things within the earth - all happened through Time, Matter, and Chance. This is the fundamental difference between your worldview and one who believes that everything was created deliberately and for a purpose.

Lastly, Haven't you asked why the laws of physics are established? Because of the fine tuning of the universe. Because of natures observable repeating behavior. It might be that the laws of physics who governs the creation of life form in this planet is the same laws applicable to other planet given that it has the same conditions. So it's safe to assume that there could be other races out there.

- Ahh the nail in the coffin! - now you say there are LAWS. Who gave these laws? why do these laws exist? if the universe just happened to come into existence through chance how in the world did that happen? if the universe is over 4 Billion year old (not saying i believe in this) surely the chance of lifeforms would exist somewhere, but where? something somewhere must have "evolved" already, surely! but where? Race is a human construct by the way - in the eyese of the Lord, we are all humans - no such thing as color or race.

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" Scientists said they had finished writing the "book of life", the three billion letters of DNA that make up the human genome. "

Every book has its own author, so if the Scientist said they finished writing the book of life. Then who is the author/creator of our DNA? i don't think a book creates its own story. but if you think outside the box, you will come up to a question as to who is our creator. therefore in conclusion a super-being exist.

Man in his rebellious nature - especially Atheists and evolutionists - will continue to say that this unfathomably complexed information just arose by itself, created itself, improved itself over time...

If i kissed a frog, will it turn into a princess? no!...but just give it millions of years, it will. LOL.

[Ivan James]

- in the Biblical worldview, the Universe was created by God and Man is created in his image and likeness and is central to the reason for his creation. You are part of that special creation.

In your Biblical worldview, the universe was created by God? what for for humans alone? You really think that earth is special? Sorry Man I don't have your biblical worldview because I don't take the bible to be truth. I might agree that the universe was created by God but not exclusively for humans.

- see you fail to see the point and fail to answer several WHY questions. Granting but not admitting there is life outside of the earth - why do you think they're "intelligent"? why do you think they will be as complexed as us? why do you hold the worldview that you have, even that you don't have an iota of evidence of extra terrestrial life much less their description?

I've already answered your whys but you're refusing to take it man.

- Me a flat earther? far from it. What do you mean when you say "well that's what the bible believes"? - the bible doesn't believe anything - lol.

nah, you're near it, the church used to believe that earth is flat. It just became flexible. Ok if your bible doesn't believe anything then fine, it becomes a record book.

- this is why i asked what your worldview is - you're an Athiest or Agnostic who believes in evolution? interesting point when you said "if it happened here, they believe, surely it could happen elsewhere in the universe" - this is the hallmark of someone who believes that Creation - whether the Universe or all living things within the earth - all happened through Time, Matter, and Chance. This is the fundamental difference between your worldview and one who believes that everything was created deliberately and for a purpose.

Man you said that, I copied it from your post, I quoted it, but it didn't work how I wanted it to be.
I hate labels but I'm a thiest. You see, it's just that I believe that everything was designed by a creator. I don't believe humanity needs saving and everything's just fine and working for the best. That taking a religious dogma creates more faction in this human race. Our world has offered us lots of truths(And god can't blame us for anything), we have christianity, Islam, budhism, science. etc. And we're given the freewill of what truth to choose. Think outside the box and try to understand and see these truths presented in front of you. What will you choose? And how sure are you that it'll save you? The muslims' allah answer prayers, so as the Jesus, Buddha provides enlightenment and so on. This answers, why people would die for their beliefs.
Granting, that Christianity is actually the truth, meaning only jesus saves, it also means that those muslims, buddhist etc would suffer hell. Now, wouldn't it be unfair for those who weren't save just because they don't believe jesus? Is it their choice to be raised a muslim or buddhist? Is it their choice to stand up what they're believing? Of course not. Now what if the quran becomes the ultimate truth? it would also be unfair for those christians.

- Ahh the nail in the coffin! - now you say there are LAWS. Who gave these laws? why do these laws exist? if the universe just happened to come into existence through chance how in the world did that happen? if the universe is over 4 Billion year old (not saying i believe in this) surely the chance of lifeforms would exist somewhere, but where? something somewhere must have "evolved" already, surely! but where? Race is a human construct by the way - in the eyese of the Lord, we are all humans - no such thing as color or race.

What laws you're referring to? What I mean in my post are the laws of physics and they are established man defined by science(Why do I have to repeat myself anyways).
I never said that the universe came by coincidence.
Well, you should know that faith is believing without seeing.
and yeah earth has only one race and it's called the human race.

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Man in his rebellious nature - especially Atheists and evolutionists - will continue to say that this unfathomably complexed information just arose by itself, created itself, improved itself over time...

If i kissed a frog, will it turn into a princess? no!...but just give it millions of years, it will. LOL.

Yeah, I'll agree to that. But it's definitely not just the bible that can give us definite answers.

[porbidaman]

Science....

Spoiler! 

[necrotic freak]

@Ivan James. you're a big fan of this. right?

Spoiler! 

[noy]

if we read posts from 100 to 200 pages back, we'll find same arguments and points raised.

[noy]

Early contributions to the development of evolutionary theory were made by Catholic scientists such as Jean-Baptiste Lamarck and the Augustinian monk Gregor Mendel. In the 1950 encyclical Humani generis, Pope Pius XII confirmed that there is no intrinsic conflict between Christianity and the theory of evolution, provided that Christians believe that the individual soul is a direct creation by God and not the product of purely material forces. Today, the Church supports theistic evolution(ism), also known as evolutionary creation, although Catholics are free not to believe in any part of evolutionary theory.

"Today, more than a half-century after the appearance of that encyclical, some new findings lead us toward the recognition of evolution as more than a hypothesis. " - Pope John Paul II

[RACER X]

Theistic evolution is a slippery slope and runs in contradiction with the Biblical principle that Death is a result of Sin - with theistic evolution, death would've happened prior to man's "evolution".

[noy]

Theistic evolution is a slippery slope and runs in contradiction with the Biblical principle that Death is a result of Sin - with theistic evolution, death would've happened prior to man's "evolution".

only when you take biblical creation accounts literally.

[RACER X]

only when you take biblical creation accounts literally.

please explain