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    Quote Originally Posted by bordogoy View Post
    That's a good question boss but it's a bit vague. Agree ko anang not risking sa kinabuhi sa atong pulis so if mosukol ang suspect and will end up getting him killed, so be it. But if possible, we should arrest them, give them a trial and if they are found guilty, then prisohon and if death penalty will satisfy the majority, so be it.

    I posted a link here 2 days or so ago about PDut nga nagbagulbol sa atong mga pulis tungod kay way klaro. So that means nga i was stating a point nga agree si PDut. Dli ni hambog ha.

    One thing man gd sa atong discussion diri or people in majority is way maminaw if you're on the opposite side. Pero karon nga si PDut nay nisulti way ayo ang pulis, agree dayon ang majority. Kay si PDut na lagi ang nisulti. If you can find the link boss, you'll see nga he's not happy sa mga binuhatan sa pulis.
    Bitaw dli kaau cya klaru, sorry boss heheheh
    pero cge lng mejo kuha na nko imong, point of view....

    so bali naay 2 ka justice type as stated below with their differences.

    Retributive Justice Restorative Justice
    Misbehavior/offenses are committed against authorities and are violations of rules of law or policies Misbehavior/offenses are defined as acts against victims and the community, which violate people and community trust.
    Offender is accountable to authorities forthe misbehavior or offense. Offender is accountable to the victim andthe community.
    Accountability is equated with suffering.If offenders are made to suffer enough(i.e. expulsion or suspension) they have been held accountable. Accountability is defined as taking responsibility for behaviors and repairing the harm resulting from those behaviors.Success is measured by how much reparation was achieved.
    Victims are not the primary focus of the process. Victims and community are directly involved and play a key role in response to misbehavior/offenses.
    Offenders are defined by them is behavior/offense. Victim is defined by material and psychological loss. Offenders are defined by their capacity to take responsibility for their actions and change behavior. Victims are defined by losses and capacity to participate in the process for recovering losses and healing.
    Misbehavior/offenses are the result of individual choice with individual responsibility. Misbehavior/offenses have both individual and social dimensions and are the result of individual choice and the conditions that lead to the behavior.

    pag ka elect ni PRD as pres, iyang ganahan e follow nationwide ang retributive type, k mao na iyang g follow sa davao (and found it effective) , where as ang atong law is more on restorative type.....

    krn ang mga tao sa pinas k used to the restorative justice, nya si PRD nahan ug retributive type...
    mao ni ang nahitabo nga nag clash ang mga mindset sa pinas....sa mga nka sabot sa retributive k die hard support sa war on drugs, sa mga wala ka sabot sa retributive type (unknowingly they are pro-restorative) mo insist nga saup or bad ang g buhat ni PRD, violence is not the solution, etc....

    ug mao ni nga g exploit sa yellow...g exploit sa yellow ang mga citizens nga lack ug information, pun.an daun ug mga press publications saying PRD style is bad, EJK blah-blah-blah!

    when i voted for PRD, nka sabot nko sa iyang ganahan nga justice type, ug mao nga bisag unsa panang protesta2x, EJK, i labay ni PRD dli ko mo punit ana, k nahan man ko sa retributive justice....by the way SG is a retributive type

    ang nahitabo sa mga press/media k wrong messaging......k instead of portraying that the pusher killed is this and that, ang adik gi EJK, etc.... ila untang g buhat k g pasabot sa mga tao nga PRD wants to change our justice system to retributive type.....cge nag lecture si PRD about ani sa iyang mga speeches pero way mga publication sa media ni gawas about ani mao ni ang nka bahog tik2x sa media part sa pinas hahahah
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    Quote Originally Posted by bordogoy View Post
    I think mas maayo man guro nga unahon ning pinakadako kaysas katong mga small time lang boss. IMO, there will be less casualties/damage this way kay i'm sure mas daghang small timers kaysas "roots" jd and mas dali masulbad kay walay namay mosupply sa mga galamay. And the fact that gipang EJK ang small timers kay will lessen the "root's" chance of getting caught kay malessen man ang evidence/witness. And that makes the "roots" more invulnerable. Whereas kung gitarong sa atong kapulisan ang ilang trabaho (like what PDut said), basin makatabang pa tong mga small timers in solving big cases and we can give them witness protection pd so they feel safe pd. Like what we always say, "gipangpatay nis ilang boss ang uban". So we can catch those guys before their boss kills them then we make them feel safe para mokanta sila ug knsay ilang amo. I know it's hard to do but it's doable right? Makaingon na jd ko nga dli lang ni "fantasy".
    Yes doable na bro, pero considering the fact that, there are 4Million people (drug users, addicts, drug lords, and etc.), and pila ra kabuok ang atong pulis.

    I assume nato makasolve or makadakop silag 1 sa usa ka adlaw.

    That would take 10,958 years to get them all, and that does not involve the time for surveillance and investigation.

    Sige ibutang nato 10,000 na ang patay which is involved in drug related cases.

    10,000 / 4,000,000 = 0.0225 or 0.25% ang namatay out of the 4million.

    Icompare nato sa volume of drugs nasikop which is is the Billions already.


    There are actually forces at play, that is why there is the "Oplan Double Barrel".

    Some elements of the PNP is working on the lower tier (Street level ) and the upper tier (drug lord level)...

    Unfortunately, gamay ra ang mga drug lords, may lang tingale ug naa ni sa 100 kabuok. Kung imong ibasi sa PDEA, ang tinuod nga drug lord tua sa China.

    Ang mga galamay nila ang nagtrabaho diri sa Pilipinas, those involves Narco General kadtong 5 kabuok, and mga mayors.

    I would say, if naay 3,900,000 ka drug addicts, pushers, and dealers ... There are more chances nga mapusilan ning mga tawhana kaysa sa 100,000 ka mga drug lords.

    Let us not discredit the fact nga kaning mga drug lords, mga wise2x ni and they are not seated higher up the ranks if they didn't know how to keep their heads.

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    Quote Originally Posted by firestarter View Post
    Yes doable na bro, pero considering the fact that, there are 4Million people (drug users, addicts, drug lords, and etc.), and pila ra kabuok ang atong pulis.

    I assume nato makasolve or makadakop silag 1 sa usa ka adlaw.

    That would take 10,958 years to get them all, and that does not involve the time for surveillance and investigation.

    Sige ibutang nato 10,000 na ang patay which is involved in drug related cases.

    10,000 / 4,000,000 = 0.0225 or 0.25% ang namatay out of the 4million.

    Icompare nato sa volume of drugs nasikop which is is the Billions already.


    There are actually forces at play, that is why there is the "Oplan Double Barrel".

    Some elements of the PNP is working on the lower tier (Street level ) and the upper tier (drug lord level)...

    Unfortunately, gamay ra ang mga drug lords, may lang tingale ug naa ni sa 100 kabuok. Kung imong ibasi sa PDEA, ang tinuod nga drug lord tua sa China.

    Ang mga galamay nila ang nagtrabaho diri sa Pilipinas, those involves Narco General kadtong 5 kabuok, and mga mayors.

    I would say, if naay 3,900,000 ka drug addicts, pushers, and dealers ... There are more chances nga mapusilan ning mga tawhana kaysa sa 100,000 ka mga drug lords.

    Let us not discredit the fact nga kaning mga drug lords, mga wise2x ni and they are not seated higher up the ranks if they didn't know how to keep their heads.
    Sure boss. But don't you think nga the lesser druglords we have, the lesser the users/pushers will be? IMO, kung masugpo lang ni tanang druglords or at least half of them, everything else will work itself out (lesser users/pushers kay wa nay source). And by doing it this way, we won't need to deal with 3.9M users/addicts which means makaya ra kaayo sa atong pulis ang 100,000 druglords. And if you're a small time dealer nga makadungog nga nasikop imong boss, you will be scared as shit kay dakpan man gani imong boss, ikaw na ba. It will be really hard but it will be much worth it at the end and i think this is better than just dealing aning mga katiting kaayo.

    For instance boss, masikop najd si Lim. Interrogate him or do whatever we can nga mokanta siya sa ubang pangan.

    Dli man jd ta mahutan ug users/pushers gd boss. That's just not gonna happen. Maybe ubay2 na ang nakuha ron pero daghan kaayong bag.ong tubo napd nga maoy mopuli. And if we do the math again, dli ni mahurot ang 3.9M for 5 years (what's left of PDut's term). Maski pag makadakop ta ug 50users/pushers per month. So it just doesn't make sense. If we cut down all the source then maybe that's the only way nga mapugos ang pushers/users ug undang kay wa naman.

    Even PDut is frustrated with what's happening now.

  4. #14244
    Quote Originally Posted by İharlie Mİ View Post
    nindot jud ni imong g ingon boss nga "impose more restriction towards government officials swaying them not to become corrupt"......

    pero k democratic man mao ni nahitabo:

    (1) --> naay legislative proposal (in favor for the rich and/or the corrupt) --> legislation voting --> majority voted to pass the bill --> bill becomes a law........... the rich and the corrupt are in heaven and the rest are in hell

    (2) --> naay legislative proposal (in favor for public interest and/or against corruption) --> legislation voting --> majority voted to NOT pass the bill --> bill did NOT become a law.........the rich and the corrupt are in heaven and the rest are in hell

    ni work jud ang democratic system sa atoa......majority wins!!! hahahaha




    idol pud nko ni si boss @bordogoy
    nindot pud cyag perspective sa mga panghitabo krn

    Kung mao man gani na wala nay demokrasya sa Pilipinas, gipatay na sa mga corrupt sa gobiyerno,
    makasulti ko bahin sa imong gi-portray nga semi-autocratic na ta,
    unya saman gusto mo ug full autocracy. hahahahah

  5. #14245
    death penalty para sa pusher. dli ta mo sunod sa amerika kay wala cla ka sulban. ad2 ta sunod sa china ug singapore.


    nya way pili ma big time or ma small time pusher. bisag isa ra ka gramo imo ma baligya kada buwan, death penalty ghapon. kay ang imong 1 ka gramo g baligya dako nana impact sa pamilya nga nakapalit ana.

  6. #14246
    Quote Originally Posted by trylle View Post
    death penalty para sa pusher. dli ta mo sunod sa amerika kay wala cla ka sulban. ad2 ta sunod sa china ug singapore.


    nya way pili ma big time or ma small time pusher. bisag isa ra ka gramo imo ma baligya kada buwan, death penalty ghapon. kay ang imong 1 ka gramo g baligya dako nana impact sa pamilya nga nakapalit ana.
    Uyon kaayo ko ani boss..... maski i-upgrade pa nato as "death in any way" sa nagbaligya ug nigamit sa illegal drugs.

    no user = no customer = no market = no pusher = no business = no protectors = no producer/smuggler

    dako kaayo responsibilidad sa mga locals ang pagsumpo ani... dili ni angay nato ipatong sa shoulders ni PRRD alone.
    Last edited by RayGunz; 08-26-2017 at 07:27 AM.

  7. #14247
    Better give fear/death to those guys running the show para wala nay mga runners mga Drug Lords, kaning mga Drug Lords mga Foreigners man ni sila siguro kay lisud man kaau tikloon mga nimels.

  8. #14248
    pa hinayon ang illegal drug market aron ma discourage mag negosyo ang drug lords
    hiposon ang small time nga drug user / pusher = less customer = less income sa mga drug lord

  9. #14249
    Quote Originally Posted by Dwardzed View Post
    Kung mao man gani na wala nay demokrasya sa Pilipinas, gipatay na sa mga corrupt sa gobiyerno,
    makasulti ko bahin sa imong gi-portray nga semi-autocratic na ta,
    unya saman gusto mo ug full autocracy. hahahahah
    hahahah naa may democracy k majority wins bya japon ang voting hehehehe

    ni botar ang majority in favor sa mga korap ug mga datu hahahah
    ni botar ang majority NOT in favor sa "public interest" sa pinas hahaha

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    Quote Originally Posted by masakiton View Post
    pa hinayon ang illegal drug market aron ma discourage mag negosyo ang drug lords
    hiposon ang small time nga drug user / pusher = less customer = less income sa mga drug lord
    ambot ug ngano nag gahi kaau pasabton ning ubang pinoy nga cge nag yaw.yaw si PRD ani pero pa bungol2x jud ning mga media...

    dli jud cla ka dawat nga naay dakong progress ang war on drugs ni PRD....

    ang media unta ilang mga publications k more on information unta like ani kang boss @masakiton....
    bahog tik.tik pud ning media k ni benefit pud cla sa drug money mao dli cla nahan ma undang ang drug problem sa pinas
    Last edited by İharlie Mİ; 08-28-2017 at 08:41 AM.

  10. #14250
    Quote Originally Posted by masakiton View Post
    pa hinayon ang illegal drug market aron ma discourage mag negosyo ang drug lords
    hiposon ang small time nga drug user / pusher = less customer = less income sa mga drug lord
    daghan gyud buang sa atong nasud. mga suhito kaayo.para nako ang kaning drug cartel mura manig octopus gud. dapat putlon ang mga kamot ug una.

    para nako naa dako progress. bisan tuod ni angkon si PRD nga dili makaya sa 6 years kay grabe na gyud diay ang drugas.pila na gud katuig ni silang maayo negosyo.karon pa sila kasugat ni PRD nga paksit sila.nigamot na bah.

    kahinumdum ko sa una naa ko daghan makasakay sa jeep nga klaro kaayo naka drugas.grabe na kaayo ang drugas. support ko ni PRD no matter what.

    daghan kaayo mga tao OA sa kamatayon ni Kian. pero katong mga bata nga gipang lugos sa mga adikadik wa man sila ingon ani ni react. loslos aning mga taohana. atay mga tawhana.

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