All About Current Admin of Duterte

[firestarter]

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Well honestly I wouldnt know, I dont make predictions but lets just look at history so we can check the facts. MNLF sieged Zamboanga City before, they number around 500 combatants, pretty much more or less same in Marawi crises. Zamboanga is way bigger than Marawi and has 3 times more population, making a lot harder to clear and contain. And yet govt had able to retake it in just 2 weeks and 6 days. They didnt need Martial Law, they didnt make self imposed deadline to look strong and decisive, they just do it. Look at Marawi now its more than a month already.

People can hate the Past Admin, and Duterte should jail Pnoy for DAP corruption. At the end of the day numbers dont lie and Pnoy admin performed better on this situation.

I think you are obviously missing the point.

When you say numbers? ang imong gi compare is ang dates, gi daghanon sa population ug mga troops lang?

Did you ever try to consider the underlying facts?

1. That this is not a mere insurgency event. This is also a political one. PNOY didn't have a rabid opposition with tons of money in the bank to spare.

2. That they have different terrains.

If you review your Philippine geography a little bit. Zamboanga is big yes, but it is surrounded by a body of water. Fighting with water at your back is considered to be a tactically disadvantage in the military. Hence, the premise that it Zamboanga harder to contain is false.

Zamboangas boundaries to the south is the Celebes Sea, further west is the Sulu sea. The only places the MNLF could go is through the waters of Celebes sea to Lamitan to the south and Sibuco to the west. To the north is Sirawai.

As compared to Marawi almost everywhere there is an exit. To the north is Iligan, The Northeast is Cagayan de Oro, to the south is Cotabato, further southeast is Davao City... Plus Marawi is largely a muslim city, where these Mautes are considered locals, who have gathered probably thousands of sympathizers and even political support. Marawi is a logistical nightmare in the military's POV.

The intention of Martial Law is to put an end to this Abu Sayyafs and Maute, where these Abu Sayyaf's came from somewhere else, and went to Marawi.

The intention of Zamboaga Siege was merely to quell that so-called rebellion and did little to nothing to put an end to this stupid rebellions.

3. That the plan was cooked up months or even years prior, funded by narcopolitics and probably some senators and congressmen. ahem

4. That MNLF is a rebel group that is still existing hangtud karon. While the Maute and Abu Sayyaf are being decimated, what is with MNLF? They are still there. Do you think the Zamboanga siege was successful?

5. That martial law was not imposed solely as a remedy for Marawi, but could also be used in the entire insurgency or rebellion of the entire Mindanao.
As you know what the NPA, BIFF, ABU Sayyaf, Maute, MNLF, MILF, MILK, DIAPER, etc., is considered rebellion under our laws..

6. That PNOY was incompetent and didn't know what to do. Did you really see him there in Zamboanga? or was it just because they claim it to be successful that they added him in the picture.

Did you think PNOY would have been there if it was considered by the yellows to be a failure?
Was PNOY there during the SAF44? Obviously not, because the Filipinos condemned it to be a failure. -- This is all PR BS if you know what I mean.

Think for the long term and don't get muddled up by what these BS are feeding you through memes.

The self imposed deadline is there to pressure troops to do something and not sleep on the job.
For a plan to work it is important to give a deadline, a plan with no deadline is not a plan, it is merely and operation.

And they had to impose a deadline because a prolonged war is costly, not only to the government's coffers but also to our armies lives.

Did you ever here Pnoy making deadlines? yes I did, and he failed miserably.. remember the "ran over train" issue? Yeah... He failed miserably.

7. The enemy .. Zamboanga siege - MNLF only. Marawi - Maute, Abu Sayyaf, Narcopoliticians (drugs and millions) - where else could this come from, there is though another possibility of the source of money.. ahem some senators and some congressmen and some local politicians..

That is why, don't just view this as a mere comparison to the Zamboanga siege, else you will fill into the yellow trap.
That's were they are good at, making memes, pay the media, earn billions from taxpayers money.

8. That ISIS is involved in this war? This war is now part of a bigger war against terrorism. Terrorism has no face. It could be your neighbor whom you've known for several years.

Marawi is terrorism. .... Zamboanga was MNLF insurgency.

This probably is one of the biggest comparison there is.

We are now on the edge of making it international that we are dipping our hands into fighting terrorism.
Last time I checked, Mindanao had been bombarded by these terrorist several times, but never did Pnoy mentioned the word terrorism.

It could be just a PR stunt cooked up by his ignorant elite PR team, or he could be simply that clueless of what is actually happening in Mindanao.

The last time I checked there was no other President who gave more for Mindanao.

[katulz]

I think you are obviously missing the point.

When you say numbers? ang imong gi compare is ang dates, gi daghanon sa population ug mga troops lang?

Did you ever try to consider the underlying facts?

1. That this is not a mere insurgency event. This is also a political one. PNOY didn't have a rabid opposition with tons of money in the bank to spare.

2. That they have different terrains.

If you review your Philippine geography a little bit. Zamboanga is big yes, but it is surrounded by a body of water. Fighting with water at your back is considered to be a tactically disadvantage in the military. Hence, the premise that it Zamboanga harder to contain is false.

Zamboangas boundaries to the south is the Celebes Sea, further west is the Sulu sea. The only places the MNLF could go is through the waters of Celebes sea to Lamitan to the south and Sibuco to the west. To the north is Sirawai.

As compared to Marawi almost everywhere there is an exit. To the north is Iligan, The Northeast is Cagayan de Oro, to the south is Cotabato, further southeast is Davao City... Plus Marawi is largely a muslim city, where these Mautes are considered locals, who have gathered probably thousands of sympathizers and even political support. Marawi is a logistical nightmare in the military's POV.

The intention of Martial Law is to put an end to this Abu Sayyafs and Maute, where these Abu Sayyaf's came from somewhere else, and went to Marawi.

The intention of Zamboaga Siege was merely to quell that so-called rebellion and did little to nothing to put an end to this stupid rebellions.

3. That the plan was cooked up months or even years prior, funded by narcopolitics and probably some senators and congressmen. ahem

4. That MNLF is a rebel group that is still existing hangtud karon. While the Maute and Abu Sayyaf are being decimated, what is with MNLF? They are still there. Do you think the Zamboanga siege was successful?

5. That martial law was not imposed solely as a remedy for Marawi, but could also be used in the entire insurgency or rebellion of the entire Mindanao.
As you know what the NPA, BIFF, ABU Sayyaf, Maute, MNLF, MILF, MILK, DIAPER, etc., is considered rebellion under our laws..

6. That PNOY was incompetent and didn't know what to do. Did you really see him there in Zamboanga? or was it just because they claim it to be successful that they added him in the picture.

Did you think PNOY would have been there if it was considered by the yellows to be a failure?
Was PNOY there during the SAF44? Obviously not, because the Filipinos condemned it to be a failure. -- This is all PR BS if you know what I mean.

Think for the long term and don't get muddled up by what these BS are feeding you through memes.

The self imposed deadline is there to pressure troops to do something and not sleep on the job.
For a plan to work it is important to give a deadline, a plan with no deadline is not a plan, it is merely and operation.

And they had to impose a deadline because a prolonged war is costly, not only to the government's coffers but also to our armies lives.

Did you ever here Pnoy making deadlines? yes I did, and he failed miserably.. remember the "ran over train" issue? Yeah... He failed miserably.

7. The enemy .. Zamboanga siege - MNLF only. Marawi - Maute, Abu Sayyaf, Narcopoliticians (drugs and millions) - where else could this come from, there is though another possibility of the source of money.. ahem some senators and some congressmen and some local politicians..

That is why, don't just view this as a mere comparison to the Zamboanga siege, else you will fill into the yellow trap.
That's were they are good at, making memes, pay the media, earn billions from taxpayers money.

8. That ISIS is involved in this war? This war is now part of a bigger war against terrorism. Terrorism has no face. It could be your neighbor whom you've known for several years.

Marawi is terrorism. .... Zamboanga was MNLF insurgency.

This probably is one of the biggest comparison there is.

We are now on the edge of making it international that we are dipping our hands into fighting terrorism.
Last time I checked, Mindanao had been bombarded by these terrorist several times, but never did Pnoy mentioned the word terrorism.

It could be just a PR stunt cooked up by his ignorant elite PR team, or he could be simply that clueless of what is actually happening in Mindanao.

The last time I checked there was no other President who gave more for Mindanao.

Okay lets talk about facts.

1. Every rebellion is a political struggle. If you are accusing the opposing party of backing up the Maute then that's not a fact but rather assumption/accusation.

2. The number of exits dont make things harder, it only makes the retaking of Marawi easier because Mauti have more options in getting out of the city easily.

3. All forms of siege are cooked up months prior, all siege are being funded nothing new. Saying that congressman and senators and involved are again just assumptions NOT a fact.

4. Both MNLF and Mauti still exist.

5. No, if martial law could solve the rebellion of Mindanao which i dont think Duterte believe in his wildest dreams then why introduce federalism? Have you forgot Duterte told us only federalism can solve all these rebellions?

6. Just because the Commander-in-Chief wasnt in the battlefield doesn't mean incompetence. Does Obama need to be at Iraq to win the war? Incompetence in war/battle is measured how well you complete your objectives NOT presence.

7. The combined force of Abu Sayyaf and Maute doesnt mean they cant fight better, thats just another assumption. In fact it could work against them in tems of coordinating issues. This is why countries held Joint military exercise because coordinating with other groups in battlefield aint easy.

8. Both Marawi and Zamboanga are the same, these are both an act of rebellion. Its seems that your understanding of terrorism is what the media always portrait. Can you differentiate terrorism and insurgency for me and how Zamboanga is insurgency and Marawi is terrorism?
False, Pnoy mentioned the word 'terrorism'.

"It could be just a PR stunt cooked up by his ignorant elite PR team, or he could be simply that clueless of what is actually happening in Mindanao."
"The last time I checked there was no other President who gave more for Mindanao"

- Both of these are too opinionated to be considered factual

[RainRiku]

Well honestly I wouldnt know, I dont make predictions but lets just look at history so we can check the facts. MNLF sieged Zamboanga City before, they number around 500 combatants, pretty much more or less same in Marawi crises. Zamboanga is way bigger than Marawi and has 3 times more population, making a lot harder to clear and contain. And yet govt had able to retake it in just 2 weeks and 6 days. They didnt need Martial Law, they didnt make self imposed deadline to look strong and decisive, they just do it. Look at Marawi now its more than a month already.

People can hate the Past Admin, and Duterte should jail Pnoy for DAP corruption. At the end of the day numbers dont lie and Pnoy admin performed better on this situation.

You compared a rebellion against terrorism here. Zamboanga Siege doesn't even had started if the administration respectfully hear their opinion and came up with an agreement - It was a failed peace talks. Compare to a group of terrorist claiming as part of ISIS and opened fire on the combined Army and police without any valuable reason at all, they just don't like Christians.

[gibra'al]

trillanes' mouth seems to have atrophied from disuse.
waste of airtime. lol

[firestarter]

Okay lets talk about facts.

1. Every rebellion is a political struggle. If you are accusing the opposing party of backing up the Maute then that's not a fact but rather assumption/accusation.

2. The number of exits dont make things harder, it only makes the retaking of Marawi easier because Mauti have more options in getting out of the city easily.

3. All forms of siege are cooked up months prior, all siege are being funded nothing new. Saying that congressman and senators and involved are again just assumptions NOT a fact.

4. Both MNLF and Mauti still exist.

5. No, if martial law could solve the rebellion of Mindanao which i dont think Duterte believe in his wildest dreams then why introduce federalism? Have you forgot Duterte told us only federalism can solve all these rebellions?

6. Just because the Commander-in-Chief wasnt in the battlefield doesn't mean incompetence. Does Obama need to be at Iraq to win the war? Incompetence in war/battle is measured how well you complete your objectives NOT presence.

7. The combined force of Abu Sayyaf and Maute doesnt mean they cant fight better, thats just another assumption. In fact it could work against them in tems of coordinating issues. This is why countries held Joint military exercise because coordinating with other groups in battlefield aint easy.

8. Both Marawi and Zamboanga are the same, these are both an act of rebellion. Its seems that your understanding of terrorism is what the media always portrait. Can you differentiate terrorism and insurgency for me and how Zamboanga is insurgency and Marawi is terrorism?
False, Pnoy mentioned the word 'terrorism'.


- Both of these are too opinionated to be considered factual

lol..

Just what I thought that your first comment was a bait comment ...

1. Hence, you agree with with my fact that this is also a political one.

2. huh?? Where did you get this fact?? The more exits the enemy has the harder for them to contain the enemy because the army will need a lot more manpower to seal off all the exits. where is the logic here?

3. Hence, you agree with the fact that I stated.

4. Yeah, they still exist, that's what I said... Again you agreed with my facts.

5. I didn't say it would resolve, I said it "could" be a remedy to what's happening now. So then, you agree with Duterte with his Federalism .

6. Again you missed the point, I only pointed out noynoy's presence as this is heavily propagandized that Zamboanga siege was a success of the pnoy's admin. When in fact it was only all propaganda.

7. Again you omitted an important fact, your way of twisting it since the beginning "fact omission". ..

Zamboanga Siege - MNLF
Marawi Siege - Maute, Abu Sayyaf + "NARCOPOLITIANS"... ayaw lage ibani porbida.. No wonder people here don't want to talk to you..

8. Whichever way you argue... IF they are the same or not (Marawi and Zamboanga) .. Ayaw lage i omit ang uban nakong gi sulti.

Zamboanga - MNLF insurgency / Rebellion
Marawi - Terrorism / Rebellion

Whichever way you argue ... Whether they are the same... (The Same - Rebellion , Not The Same - Terrorism - Rebellion)

The fact that there is Rebellion .... Our Constitution permits the declaration of Martial Law, for there is Rebellion.

Bisan diha palang daan..

Porbida nang imong style.. Ayaw pugsa ug usab ang istorya kay mura kag Rappler ug Inquirer ana..

Para lang makadaug sa discussion.. Ayaw pagbinata. Pa obvious na kaayo ka..

[adminroot]

lol..

Just what I thought that your first comment was a bait comment ...

1. Hence, you agree with with my fact that this is also a political one.

2. huh?? Where did you get this fact?? The more exits the enemy has the harder for them to contain the enemy because the army will need a lot more manpower to seal off all the exits. where is the logic here?

3. Hence, you agree with the fact that I stated.

4. Yeah, they still exist, that's what I said... Again you agreed with my facts.

5. I didn't say it would resolve, I said it "could" be a remedy to what's happening now. So then, you agree with Duterte with his Federalism .

6. Again you missed the point, I only pointed out noynoy's presence as this is heavily propagandized that Zamboanga siege was a success of the pnoy's admin. When in fact it was only all propaganda.

7. Again you omitted an important fact, your way of twisting it since the beginning "fact omission". ..

Zamboanga Siege - MNLF
Marawi Siege - Maute, Abu Sayyaf + "NARCOPOLITIANS"... ayaw lage ibani porbida.. No wonder people here don't want to talk to you..

8. Whichever way you argue... IF they are the same or not (Marawi and Zamboanga) .. Ayaw lage i omit ang uban nakong gi sulti.

Zamboanga - MNLF insurgency / Rebellion
Marawi - Terrorism / Rebellion

Whichever way you argue ... Whether they are the same... (The Same - Rebellion , Not The Same - Terrorism - Rebellion)

The fact that there is Rebellion .... Our Constitution permits the declaration of Martial Law, for there is Rebellion.

Bisan diha palang daan..

Porbida nang imong style.. Ayaw pugsa ug usab ang istorya kay mura kag Rappler ug Inquirer ana..

Para lang makadaug sa discussion.. Ayaw pagbinata. Pa obvious na kaayo ka..

tingali ug si spo1 pia ranada na sa crappler imong ka dibati bai

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trillanes' mouth seems to have atrophied from disuse.
waste of airtime. lol

burn TROLLANES burn.

nosebleed uy gi-imbistiga ug british, TROLLANES: ahh...ahhh...ahhh <--- kanga^-kanga^

[katulz]

lol..

Just what I thought that your first comment was a bait comment ...

1. Hence, you agree with with my fact that this is also a political one.

2. huh?? Where did you get this fact?? The more exits the enemy has the harder for them to contain the enemy because the army will need a lot more manpower to seal off all the exits. where is the logic here?

3. Hence, you agree with the fact that I stated.

4. Yeah, they still exist, that's what I said... Again you agreed with my facts.

5. I didn't say it would resolve, I said it "could" be a remedy to what's happening now. So then, you agree with Duterte with his Federalism .

6. Again you missed the point, I only pointed out noynoy's presence as this is heavily propagandized that Zamboanga siege was a success of the pnoy's admin. When in fact it was only all propaganda.

7. Again you omitted an important fact, your way of twisting it since the beginning "fact omission". ..

Zamboanga Siege - MNLF
Marawi Siege - Maute, Abu Sayyaf + "NARCOPOLITIANS"... ayaw lage ibani porbida.. No wonder people here don't want to talk to you..

8. Whichever way you argue... IF they are the same or not (Marawi and Zamboanga) .. Ayaw lage i omit ang uban nakong gi sulti.

Zamboanga - MNLF insurgency / Rebellion
Marawi - Terrorism / Rebellion

Whichever way you argue ... Whether they are the same... (The Same - Rebellion , Not The Same - Terrorism - Rebellion)

The fact that there is Rebellion .... Our Constitution permits the declaration of Martial Law, for there is Rebellion.

Bisan diha palang daan..

Porbida nang imong style.. Ayaw pugsa ug usab ang istorya kay mura kag Rappler ug Inquirer ana..

Para lang makadaug sa discussion.. Ayaw pagbinata. Pa obvious na kaayo ka..

1. Maute rebellion is political but how does it makes them easier or difficult to deal with when even MNLF rebellion is a political struggle too? Being political or not doesn't mean anything and i wonder why you brought that up?

2. First of all both of Marawi and Zamboanga have 3 important roads that can serve as means of exit. Not only that, anyone can easily travel from zamboanga, to basilan, sulu and tawi-tawi. In fact Abu Sayyaf easily jump around this 3 islands easily despite navy presence.

3. Nope, assuming opposing party backing Maute isn't a fact. We all know that sieges are well planed and funded. But why did you brought that up and how is it an objection to my original statement?

4. Both still exist but how does it relate to the argument? How does it makes Marawi siege easier or difficult to deal?

5. I agree with Parliamentary-Federal, i said that before. At least we know you are NOT sure that Martial Law could end rebellion.

6. What part of it is propaganda? For all we know there was a siege by MNLF (fact). And the govt successfully recaptured the city (fact).

7. Involvement of Narcopoliticians is still debatable, BUT lets say they are involved.
How does it makes Maute harder or easier to deal with than MILF?

8. I didn't omet anything, you said "Marawi is terrorism. .... Zamboanga was MNLF insurgency." And now you said "Zamboanga - MNLF insurgency / Rebellion Marawi - Terrorism / Rebellion", you are the one who add things up.

Okay now what makes Zamboanga = insurgency/rebellion and Marawi = terrorism/rebellion? We need your reason for this so well know if it really matters to the situation.

[katulz]

a friend of mine is from zamboanga and what he told me was that incident wasn't a siege from the beginning. it was supposed to be just a simple rally with placards and all that demonstrations. my friend's friends are one of those people who are paid to join the said rally, paid them 3k each for that day. but they got shocked when armed men suddenly arrived .....


oh .... just a reminder ---- CHINESE BUS HOSTAGE INCIDENT ...

I dont really see how this relate to my statement you quoted, But anyway thank goodness your friend is fine!
The Hongkong people bus incident was mess. Pnoy looks like an idiot in front of the media..You agree?

[katulz]

ha?!?! you can't relate that to your statement when you're the one who first opened up the zamboanga siege incident and even applauded abnoy

everything that abnoy has ever done, be it political or normal, he looks like an idiot coz he is an idiot.

My original statement compared both Zamboanga and Marawi siege and draw a conclusion that Pnoy govt perfomed better based on facts and evidence. How does a the rally you mention can affect my judgement in anyway?

[katulz]

lol. you didn't get my point, really

that zamboanga siege was staged. so no point is praising abnoy on that.

Staged by whom? Pnoy govt? For what reason?