Year of Mercy...

[NapoleonBlownapart]

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go and point out their fault
Guidance man ni siya Bay Nap, dili man ni judgment.

Before you point their fault, aren't you judging that they're in the wrong? Judgment man gud does not automatically mean condemnation. Mao nay di dapat ang condemnation.

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Before you point their fault, aren't you judging that they're in the wrong? Judgment man gud does not automatically mean condemnation. Mao nay di dapat ang condemnation.

James 4:12
12 There is only one lawgiver and judge, he who is able to save and to destroy. But who are you to judge your neighbor?

Teaching the Christian ways doesn't mean judgment but filling up the lack of it.
I rest my case here.

[NapoleonBlownapart]

James 4:12
12 There is only one lawgiver and judge, he who is able to save and to destroy. But who are you to judge your neighbor?

Teaching the Christian ways doesn't mean judgment but filling up the lack of it.
I rest my case here.

You are judging. You judged them to be lacking so you teach them so they will know more. Di lage na sya absolute kay there are many types of judgment. There are a lot of verses na ako gi quote sa taas that encourages judgment yet imo gibalewala. Ang di maayo buhaton is ang pag judge na naay condemnation. Kana only God can do that. Otherwise pwede ra na and it's encouraged. That is why you don't understand what James is talking about because you're taking the verse out of context. Read from verse 11 so you would know what he means.

[NapoleonBlownapart]

Here a short video about "you shall not judge".

https://youtu.be/9omnGxqhfZw

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You are judging. You judged them to be lacking so you teach them so they will know more. Di lage na sya absolute kay there are many types of judgment. There are a lot of verses na ako gi quote sa taas that encourages judgment yet imo gibalewala. Ang di maayo buhaton is ang pag judge na naay condemnation. Kana only God can do that. Otherwise pwede ra na and it's encouraged. That is why you don't understand what James is talking about because you're taking the verse out of context. Read from verse 11 so you would know what he means.

Assessment is the exact word not judgment,
and you say before that we should not associate ourselves with the tax collectors isn't that condemnation?
you are only playing with words when it was clearly stated in the bible that we could never judge. Are you trying to refute the Holy Bible?
what are you then an skeptical Christian? or else perhaps a person who wish to bring chaos towards what is being written? Just follow the words of GOD don't follow it as per your unreliable interpretation. What you should do is just follow it and don't be so critical about the good words you will end up as an agnostic in that sense not really a fulfilled Christian.

You only have to compare the bible with what your fellow human being does no need for you to apply your own critical thinking for that is erroneous for you are not perfect. Then I want to ask you is the Bible perfect?

[NapoleonBlownapart]

Assessment is the exact word not judgment,

They're essentially the same. They're synonyms.

and you say before that we should not associate ourselves with the tax collectors isn't that condemnation?

Yes and I mean you don't associate with them like you would with the believers. You don't treat them the way you used to. You call them to repentance, you admonish them. That's not condemnation.

you are only playing with words when it was clearly stated in the bible that we could never judge. Are you trying to refute the Holy Bible?
what are you then an skeptical Christian? or else perhaps a person who wish to bring chaos towards what is being written?

Well it's also stated that you judge a righteous judgment, that we judge ourselves, that we judge those in the church. You can't deny that because they're explicitly taught. I'm not refuting the bible I'm refuting your flawed interpretation. Why is it flawed? Because if we allow it it would contradict other teachings where judgement is allowed.

Just follow the words of GOD don't follow it as per your unreliable interpretation.

Asa man ang unreliable ang imohang interpretation nga mosumpaki sa ubang verses o ang ako interpretation nga nag harmonize nila?

What you should do is just follow it and don't be so critical about the good words you will end up as an agnostic in that sense not really a fulfilled Christian.

I'm following it and that's why we need to interpret it in context and get what he means because we can't follow what Jesus taught if we would misinterpret what he means. Simple as that

You only have to compare the bible with what your fellow human being does no need for you to apply your own critical thinking for that is erroneous for you are not perfect. Then I want to ask you is the Bible perfect?

This is a dangerous train of thought used by all cult groups. The bible teaches otherwise. This is what the bible say: Now the Bereans were of more noble character than the Thessalonians, for they received the message with great eagerness and examined the Scriptures every day to see if what Paul said was true(Acts 17:11). They EXAMINED the Scripture. You wouldn't examine something without using critical thinking would you? Test everything. Hold on to the good (1Thes.5:21). You can't test something without critical thinking. Yes the bible is perfect. Meaning it is sufficient and infallible.

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They're essentially the same. They're synonyms.

Assessment is a comparison of something standard not applying verdict from individual interpretation,
I hope you got my point. So may will make the interpretation and the verdict so is the magnitude of error for no one is perfect.

Yes and I mean you don't associate with them like you would with the believers. You don't treat them the way you used to. You call them to repentance, you admonish them. That's not condemnation.

I could not understand your thinking, how could you convert them when you place them out of the believers domain?
I could say bring them back to the flock and let them stay inside the flock.

Well it's also stated that you judge a righteous judgment, that we judge ourselves, that we judge those in the church. You can't deny that because they're explicitly taught. I'm not refuting the bible I'm refuting your flawed interpretation. Why is it flawed? Because if we allow it it would contradict other teachings where judgement is allowed.

I only get my sources from the bible are you saying that the Bible is flawed, you twisted what is written in the bible as what you ought to do "harmonize the scripture as per your own flawed judgment and flawed being.

Asa man ang unreliable ang imohang interpretation nga mosumpaki sa ubang verses o ang ako interpretation nga nag harmonize nila?

As what I said I only read the bible and share the good words from it. Nothing more nothing less, I follow what the bible say for I am a believer and a Christian not a Bible critic.

I'm following it and that's why we need to interpret it in context and get what he means because we can't follow what Jesus taught if we would misinterpret what he means. Simple as that

I think your not following it, you use your own logic to question it, eventually questioning GOD himself. That is blasphemy somehow.

This is a dangerous train of thought used by all cult groups. The bible teaches otherwise. This is what the bible say: Now the Bereans were of more noble character than the Thessalonians, for they received the message with great eagerness and examined the Scriptures every day to see if what Paul said was true(Acts 17:11). They EXAMINED the Scripture. You wouldn't examine something without using critical thinking would you? Test everything. Hold on to the good (1Thes.5:21). You can't test something without critical thinking. Yes the bible is perfect. Meaning it is sufficient and infallible.

That is why anyone should be allowed to do individual interpretation, because of this many fake cults/supposed religion occurred because of flawed interpretation and twisting the Good words in the bible to serve them best. No problem they will be judge by GOD when the end of time comes.

[NapoleonBlownapart]

Assessment is a comparison of something standard not applying verdict from individual interpretation,
I hope you got my point. So may will make the interpretation and the verdict so is the magnitude of error for no one is perfect.

Nakuha man nako imo point. Ang problema lang di lang nimo angkonon na judgment na. It's the same. Assessment is judgment gihapon. Bisan imo pa nang tuwadtuwaron mao ra nang mananapa sila. Ang pag correct sa nasaag na igsuon sa pagtuo bai wa na gikan sa imong kaugalingong interpretation kun di naa jud ka basehan which is the bible. Judgment gihapon na. Kon mag assess gani ka mogamit jud ka ug judgment. Lain sad kaayog dili.. haha.. Asa man kag assessment nga way judgment kuno? When you decide that something is acceptable or otherwise based on certain criteria you already exercised judgment.

I could not understand your thinking, how could you convert them when you place them out of the believers domain?
I could say bring them back to the flock and let them stay inside the flock.

I would like to remind you that is what Jesus and the apostles taught. If you have a problem with that then you have a problem with Christianity because that's how true Christianity works. Mao na giingon ni Paul sa Corinthians hand this man over to Satan for the destruction of the flesh, so that his spirit may be saved on the day of the Lord...Expel the wicked person from among you. Sa tinawhanon nga paagi syempre makaingon jud ka na binali man na oi di na hinuon na mabalik pero di man gud na buhat sa tao ang pagkuha pabalik sa nawala. Buhat na sa Dios kay ang kaluwasan buhat na niya. Paul is saying here na somehow the Lord will use even Satan para mabalik to tawhana sa flock. The job of the church is to call men to repentance, ang pag change sa heart para maminaw buhat na sa Dios.

I only get my sources from the bible are you saying that the Bible is flawed, you twisted what is written in the bible as what you ought to do "harmonize the scripture as per your own flawed judgment and flawed being.

No, your interpretation is flawed and I gave you the reason why and I'll say it again, you took the verses out of context. Ok, granting that I twisted what was written, what about the verses that say we must judge found in Matthew, John, Corinthians and Thessalonians? How would you interpret it? Paabot ko sa imo tubag ani kay ganahan sad ko makabalo unsaon na sila pag interpret kon blanket statement ang you shall not judge.

As what I said I only read the bible and share the good words from it. Nothing more nothing less, I follow what the bible say for I am a believer and a Christian not a Bible critic.

The bible said "judge a righteous judgement". How can you follow that if you don't judge? Kini sad nag paabot kog tubag.

I think your not following it, you use your own logic to question it, eventually questioning GOD himself. That is blasphemy somehow.

I'm not questioning if it's true or not, what I would like to know is did I get what the Lord means? Unsaon man nako pagsunod sa iyang gitudlo kun tando tando ra ko unya wa d.i ko kasabot? Ang labas ana magbuhat kog akong paagi. Di gihapon na kahimut-an sa Ginoo. Mapareha pa lang ko sa anak ni Aaron nagbuhat ug ilang kaugalingong paagi paghalad sa tabernacle. Ending gipatay sa Ginoo. Di ko ganahan mapareha ana brad. Kon mosunod man ko ug instruction I want to make sure that I understand it so I can follow faithfully. Ingon bitaw ang bible desire without knowledge is not good. So I must know what he means so I can follow him faithfully. Way kwenta gihapon tuo ta nga sakto ta pero sa ulahi sayop d.i. Sayang ang kahago.

That is why anyone should be allowed to do individual interpretation, because of this many fake cults/supposed religion occurred because of flawed interpretation and twisting the Good words in the bible to serve them best. No problem they will be judge by GOD when the end of time comes.

Di man na individual interpretation. Backed by scholars who understands the original language. Syempre di ta pataka labi na sa pagtuon. Mas kuyaw imo kay irrational. As long as makita ang word mao na na. Ang pangutana mao ba jud kaha? hehe. Mao bya na perme gamit sa mga kulto kanang o makita man so must mean this. Dapat sa biblical interpretation you should get the meaning from the text and not assume it. Mao nang importante kaayo ang context. Mao sige ko ingon you're out of context. Imo na giassume ang meaning sa judgment without really getting its real meaning from the text. Diha nagkalahi ang mga kulto nga paborito ang eisegesis ug ang nagtudlo sa tinood nga gamit ang exegesis. I'm not saying kulto ka ha.. I'm just saying na imong method is dangerous.

[Kenshiro]

Let me just share these lessons about Christianity vs presumptuous Christianity:

ARE YOU A CHRISTIAN? ... REALLY REALLY A TRUE CHRISTIAN?

Today's devotional is something very striking and very important because it talks about two types of Individuals who both claim to be Christians. All of us fall in one of these.
John and Judas were both diciples of Christ but there are marked diferences between them which will be a great lesson for all of us who claim to be follwers of Christ. I hope that we will all learn from them and move forward in a better position... True Christians!

THE CONTRAST BETWEEN JOHN AND JUDAS
He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life. 1 John 5:12.
During the years of his close association with Christ, he [John] was often warned and cautioned by the Saviour; and these reproofs he accepted. As the character of the Divine One was manifested to him, John saw his own deficiencies, and was humbled by the revelation. Day by day, in contrast with his own violent spirit, he beheld the tenderness and forbearance of Jesus, and heard His lessons of humility and patience. Day by day his heart was drawn out to Christ, until he lost sight of self in love for his Master. The power and tenderness, the majesty and meekness, the strength and patience, that he saw in the daily life of the Son of God, filled his soul with admiration. He yielded his resentful, ambitious temper to the molding power of Christ, and divine love wrought in him a transformation of character.

In striking contrast to the sanctification worked out in the life of John is the experience of his fellow disciple, Judas. Like his associate, Judas professed to be a disciple of Christ, but he possessed only a form of godliness. He was not insensible to the beauty of the character of Christ; and often, as he listened to the Saviour’s words, conviction came to him, but he would not humble his heart or confess his sins....

John warred earnestly against his faults; but Judas violated his conscience and yielded to temptation, fastening upon himself more securely his habits of evil. The practice of the truths that Christ taught was at variance with his desires and purposes, and he could not bring himself to yield his ideas in order to receive wisdom from heaven. Instead of walking in the light, he chose to walk in darkness. Evil desires, covetousness, revengeful passions, dark and sullen thoughts, were cherished until Satan gained full control of him.

John and Judas are representatives of those who profess to be Christ’s followers. Both these disciples had the same opportunities to study and follow the divine Pattern.... Each possessed serious defects of character; and each had access to the divine grace that transforms character. But while one in humility was learning of Jesus, the other revealed that he was not a doer of the word, but a hearer only. One, daily dying to self and overcoming sin, was sanctified through the truth; the other, resisting the transforming power of grace and indulging selfish desires, was brought into bondage to Satan....

There may be marked defects in the character of an individual, yet when he becomes a true disciple of Christ, the power of divine grace transforms and sanctifies him.

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Nakuha man nako imo point. Ang problema lang di lang nimo angkonon na judgment na. It's the same. Assessment is judgment gihapon. Bisan imo pa nang tuwadtuwaron mao ra nang mananapa sila. Ang pag correct sa nasaag na igsuon sa pagtuo bai wa na gikan sa imong kaugalingong interpretation kun di naa jud ka basehan which is the bible. Judgment gihapon na. Kon mag assess gani ka mogamit jud ka ug judgment. Lain sad kaayog dili.. haha.. Asa man kag assessment nga way judgment kuno? When you decide that something is acceptable or otherwise based on certain criteria you already exercised judgment.


I would like to remind you that is what Jesus and the apostles taught. If you have a problem with that then you have a problem with Christianity because that's how true Christianity works. Mao na giingon ni Paul sa Corinthians hand this man over to Satan for the destruction of the flesh, so that his spirit may be saved on the day of the Lord...Expel the wicked person from among you. Sa tinawhanon nga paagi syempre makaingon jud ka na binali man na oi di na hinuon na mabalik pero di man gud na buhat sa tao ang pagkuha pabalik sa nawala. Buhat na sa Dios kay ang kaluwasan buhat na niya. Paul is saying here na somehow the Lord will use even Satan para mabalik to tawhana sa flock. The job of the church is to call men to repentance, ang pag change sa heart para maminaw buhat na sa Dios.

No, your interpretation is flawed and I gave you the reason why and I'll say it again, you took the verses out of context. Ok, granting that I twisted what was written, what about the verses that say we must judge found in Matthew, John, Corinthians and Thessalonians? How would you interpret it? Paabot ko sa imo tubag ani kay ganahan sad ko makabalo unsaon na sila pag interpret kon blanket statement ang you shall not judge.


The bible said "judge a righteous judgement". How can you follow that if you don't judge? Kini sad nag paabot kog tubag.


I'm not questioning if it's true or not, what I would like to know is did I get what the Lord means? Unsaon man nako pagsunod sa iyang gitudlo kun tando tando ra ko unya wa d.i ko kasabot? Ang labas ana magbuhat kog akong paagi. Di gihapon na kahimut-an sa Ginoo. Mapareha pa lang ko sa anak ni Aaron nagbuhat ug ilang kaugalingong paagi paghalad sa tabernacle. Ending gipatay sa Ginoo. Di ko ganahan mapareha ana brad. Kon mosunod man ko ug instruction I want to make sure that I understand it so I can follow faithfully. Ingon bitaw ang bible desire without knowledge is not good. So I must know what he means so I can follow him faithfully. Way kwenta gihapon tuo ta nga sakto ta pero sa ulahi sayop d.i. Sayang ang kahago.


Di man na individual interpretation. Backed by scholars who understands the original language. Syempre di ta pataka labi na sa pagtuon. Mas kuyaw imo kay irrational. As long as makita ang word mao na na. Ang pangutana mao ba jud kaha? hehe. Mao bya na perme gamit sa mga kulto kanang o makita man so must mean this. Dapat sa biblical interpretation you should get the meaning from the text and not assume it. Mao nang importante kaayo ang context. Mao sige ko ingon you're out of context. Imo na giassume ang meaning sa judgment without really getting its real meaning from the text. Diha nagkalahi ang mga kulto nga paborito ang eisegesis ug ang nagtudlo sa tinood nga gamit ang exegesis. I'm not saying kulto ka ha.. I'm just saying na imong method is dangerous.

Matthew 7:1-3
1 Do not judge so that you will not be judged. 2"For in the way you judge, you will be judged; and by your standard of measure, it will be measured to you. 3"Why do you look at the speck that is in your brother's eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye?…

John 12:30-32
30 Jesus answered and said, "This voice has not come for My sake, but for your sakes. 31"Now judgment is upon this world; now the ruler of this world will be cast out. 32"And I, if I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all men to Myself.

Corinthians 4:2-4
2 In this case, moreover, it is required of stewards that one be found trustworthy. 3But to me it is a very small thing that I may be examined by you, or by any human court; in fact, I do not even examine myself. 4For I am conscious of nothing against myself, yet I am not by this acquitted; but the one who examines me is the Lord.…

1 Thessalonians 4:13-18
13 But we do not want you to be uninformed, brethren, about those who are asleep, so that you will not grieve as do the rest who have no hope. 14For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will bring with Him those who have fallen asleep in Jesus. 15For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord, will not precede those who have fallen asleep. 16For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. 17Then we who are alive and remain will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we shall always be with the Lord. 18Therefore comfort one another with these words.

I could not see any that justify that we should judge,
iyag-yag kuno nan'ng imong nahibaloan atong tan-awon.
you're playing with words will never work with me, ayaw ug hugaw-hugawi ang bibliya doh.
Gabaan baya ka ana.