Mystery Billboard In CICC

[Synthetic]

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Okay sad na imong idea nga i-convert ug hospital. All I am trying to say is that the CICC should not be left idle. To leave it idle due to politics does not make Davide any better than Gwen. Pwede pud i-baligya nalang ni Davide haron wala nay maka remind niya ni Gwen. Pwede pud paabangan. Pwede i-joint venture aron walay gasto ang gobyerno. There are so many alternatives. To leave it to rot is the worst alternative of all. I hate hypocrites. And Davide is acting all high and mighty and accusing Gwen of so many different things. That's fine. But until she is found guilty, we must presume she is innocent. If found hguilty, then she will get what is coming to her. But Davide is the one playing politics now. He refuses to do anything with the CICC just because he believes it was overpriced when built. So he is just making the situation worst. None of us Cebuanos are gaining anything from this politicking. Kita ra ang gibuang nila.

How sure are you that Davide didn't repair this due to politics?

[yumi_yan]

How sure are you that Davide didn't repair this due to politics?

Just listen to or read about what he said about not repairing it. It's hard to come to any other conclusion. I understand although I don't necessarily agree that he would not want to spend money on it but there are many ways to put it to use without the provincial government spending any money. Nothing but lip service has been done. By the way, in case you haven't heard, your presidential candidate shot himself in the foot again and you are among those he insulted kay Cebuano man kaha ka.

[Synthetic]

Just listen to or read about what he said about not repairing it. It's hard to come to any other conclusion. I understand although I don't necessarily agree that he would not want to spend money on it but there are many ways to put it to use without the provincial government spending any money. Nothing but lip service has been done. By the way, in case you haven't heard, your presidential candidate shot himself in the foot again and you are among those he insulted kay Cebuano man kaha ka.

ug na igo ka ato aw membro kas bogo nga cebuano HAHAHA, affected kaau ka so igo jud diay ka

[yumi_yan]

ug na igo ka ato aw membro kas bogo nga cebuano HAHAHA, affected kaau ka so igo jud diay ka

Mao ra na ang imong ma tubag? Blind faith and loyalty diay na ang imo? Pakauwaw ra man ka oi. Ma klaro raman kinsay bogo nato. Hahahahaha!

[digitalsuperman]

Just listen to or read about what he said about not repairing it. It's hard to come to any other conclusion. I understand although I don't necessarily agree that he would not want to spend money on it but there are many ways to put it to use without the provincial government spending any money. Nothing but lip service has been done. By the way, in case you haven't heard, your presidential candidate shot himself in the foot again and you are among those he insulted kay Cebuano man kaha ka.

actually repairing it is not that easy. if you are familiar with how the bureaucracies work in our government its not as easy as repairing your own house.

here is link i have posted:

Ombudsman allows repair of CICC | Cebu News, The Freeman Sections, The Freeman | philstar.com

first naay pending kaso naa sa ombudsman karon.so that means whatever changes made on CICC it has to go through the ombudsman.

it was approved this august. heres a link, palihug ug read if naa kay time:
Ombud: Don’t let cases stop rehab of CICC | Sun.Star

in fact davide himself answered this issue of the repair. in case kapuyan mo click sa link, here is an excerpt:

Davide answered: “Number one, CICC was never among my priorities...Number two, the CICC is a subject of a case pending before the Office of the Ombudsman and now former governor Garcia said nga wa nako tagda, nga nagpabaya. Nganung tagdon man ko ni nga kontrobersyal man kaayo ning isyuha gani gikiha siya (Why would I give attention to this facility which is controversial and the reason why she faces charges) because of allegations of overpricing?” Davide said.

here is another link of the approval of the ombudsman:
Ombudsman okays rehabilitation of controversial convention center | mb.com.ph | Philippine News

in fact paspas au ang lihok ni davide regarding sa repairs ani. he inspected it himself also and in fact naa nay na allocate nga budget for this. read below:

CICC repair gets P296.5-M budget | Panay News

and way before the ombudsman approved the repairs, davide has already asked the president for this and the national government was keen on repairing this as they also don't want this to be a useless edifice. read below:

P-Noy shows interest in CICC improvement | Cebu Daily News

these are facts and not lip service.

[yumi_yan]

actually repairing it is not that easy. if you are familiar with how the bureaucracies work in our government its not as easy as repairing your own house.

here is link i have posted:

Ombudsman allows repair of CICC | Cebu News, The Freeman Sections, The Freeman | philstar.com

first naay pending kaso naa sa ombudsman karon.so that means whatever changes made on CICC it has to go through the ombudsman.

it was approved this august. heres a link, palihug ug read if naa kay time:
Ombud: Don’t let cases stop rehab of CICC | Sun.Star

in fact davide himself answered this issue of the repair. in case kapuyan mo click sa link, here is an excerpt:


here is another link of the approval of the ombudsman:
Ombudsman okays rehabilitation of controversial convention center | mb.com.ph | Philippine News

in fact paspas au ang lihok ni davide regarding sa repairs ani. he inspected it himself also and in fact naa nay na allocate nga budget for this. read below:

CICC repair gets P296.5-M budget | Panay News

and way before the ombudsman approved the repairs, davide has already asked the president for this and the national government was keen on repairing this as they also don't want this to be a useless edifice. read below:

P-Noy shows interest in CICC improvement | Cebu Daily News

these are facts and not lip service.

Actually, you are right in that Davide did get approval to fix up the CICC. But he only did it after being criticized by Gwen about it. It took him so long to write the ombudsman. And that he has got his approval and budget daw, nothing has yet been done about it. Before being critcized about it, he had no plans to fix it. I do believe that nothing will be done about until after the elections. It will in the meantime be used as a very huge and expensive billboard support. Ok ra man sad nuon na. At least gi gamit for something. It will also show everyone what kind of a governor Davide really is.

I just wish more Davide supporters had your sense. But then again, while you support Davide, maybe you don't support Mar Roxas so you are not a diehard noytard. They are the worst kind. Hahaha.

[digitalsuperman]

Actually, you are right in that Davide did get approval to fix up the CICC. But he only did it after being criticized by Gwen about it. It took him so long to write the ombudsman. And that he has got his approval and budget daw, nothing has yet been done about it. Before being critcized about it, he had no plans to fix it. I do believe that nothing will be done about until after the elections. It will in the meantime be used as a very huge and expensive billboard support. Ok ra man sad nuon na. At least gi gamit for something. It will also show everyone what kind of a governor Davide really is.

so imong issue napud karon is dugay nilihok sa repairs and kung walay ni criticize wala gilihok. then ok lets discuss timeline. give me the exact date when gwen criticized davide about the repair of CICC and i will give you the exact date when davide submitted a petition to the ombudsman. provide proof if possible.

i am not going to be biased about it. if davide has indeed acted about the repairs only when criticized then so be it. but give me facts first and let us compare data.

-Update-

I now have both information in my possession. i will wait for yours.

[lestat1116]

dli madala og repair. grabe ka lata. ig repair ana gubon tanan. pareha sa dpwh mga bogo. gi guba ang tibuok dalan kay need repair.

[yumi_yan]

so imong issue napud karon is dugay nilihok sa repairs and kung walay ni criticize wala gilihok. then ok lets discuss timeline. give me the exact date when gwen criticized davide about the repair of CICC and i will give you the exact date when davide submitted a petition to the ombudsman. provide proof if possible.

i am not going to be biased about it. if davide has indeed acted about the repairs only when criticized then so be it. but give me facts first and let us compare data.

-Update-

I now have both information in my possession. i will wait for yours.

Since I am down with a bad case of the flu, and am not in the proper frame of mind to present my arguements properly at the moment, I will just share here verbatim, a facebook post I came across from Atty. Christina Garcia Frasco, Gwen's daughter. What surprised me what that she said that there is actually no case pending in any court on the matter. Just a complaint. What the difference is, I am not exactly sure. But here is what Atty. Frasco posted.

"Never Again" at CICC

"While I prefer not to delve into the details of this matter of which I have been involved in the defense since its inception, as an observer, I feel compelled to point out two fundamental facts that seem to have been lost in the discourse over WHO is responsible for putting up that ill-conceived billboard:

First, the complaint (not "the case") is still under investigation. No case has actually been filed in court, no findings of corruption have actually been made, and no TRO has been issued to prevent the use, rehabilitation or repair of the CICC. To definitively declare, therefore, that the CICC is a "monument of corruption" and to knowingly refrain from repairing and using the same, is not only a blatant attempt to preempt the results of the investigation, and to condition the minds of the public to fit a desired outcome, it is also a grave misrepresentation that the structure cannot be used as a source of economic activity. To allow the CICC to lay to waste and to deprive the public of the massive income which it could have generated, to me, is a great injustice to all Cebuanos no matter the political affiliation.

Second, while a certain group has apparently surfaced amidst lingering questions of who is responsible for the billboard, let us not forget that the Cebu Provincial Government-owned CICC is under lock and key and 24-hour security by the owner and custodian of the property. So as to culpability, more than the issue of who put it up is the more compelling question of who allowed it to be put up, without a permit, I might add. And who is allowing it to remain.

Apart from the deliberate dilapidation of the CICC, which is criminal in itself, what's clear is there has been a defacement of public property. In any other jurisdiction, this, too, would be a crime. Apparently in Cebu, it's allowed under the guise of "freedom of expression".

Oh, my beloved Cebu, what have we come to?"

[digitalsuperman]

Since I am down with a bad case of the flu, and am not in the proper frame of mind to present my arguements properly at the moment, I will just share here verbatim, a facebook post I came across from Atty. Christina Garcia Frasco, Gwen's daughter. What surprised me what that she said that there is actually no case pending in any court on the matter. Just a complaint. What the difference is, I am not exactly sure. But here is what Atty. Frasco posted.

"Never Again" at CICC

"While I prefer not to delve into the details of this matter of which I have been involved in the defense since its inception, as an observer, I feel compelled to point out two fundamental facts that seem to have been lost in the discourse over WHO is responsible for putting up that ill-conceived billboard:

First, the complaint (not "the case") is still under investigation. No case has actually been filed in court, no findings of corruption have actually been made, and no TRO has been issued to prevent the use, rehabilitation or repair of the CICC. To definitively declare, therefore, that the CICC is a "monument of corruption" and to knowingly refrain from repairing and using the same, is not only a blatant attempt to preempt the results of the investigation, and to condition the minds of the public to fit a desired outcome, it is also a grave misrepresentation that the structure cannot be used as a source of economic activity. To allow the CICC to lay to waste and to deprive the public of the massive income which it could have generated, to me, is a great injustice to all Cebuanos no matter the political affiliation.

Second, while a certain group has apparently surfaced amidst lingering questions of who is responsible for the billboard, let us not forget that the Cebu Provincial Government-owned CICC is under lock and key and 24-hour security by the owner and custodian of the property. So as to culpability, more than the issue of who put it up is the more compelling question of who allowed it to be put up, without a permit, I might add. And who is allowing it to remain.

Apart from the deliberate dilapidation of the CICC, which is criminal in itself, what's clear is there has been a defacement of public property. In any other jurisdiction, this, too, would be a crime. Apparently in Cebu, it's allowed under the guise of "freedom of expression".

Oh, my beloved Cebu, what have we come to?"

A complaint becomes a case.i already gave you a link.the case number is already there.

Since your down with a severe flu ill be understanding and i will be patiently waiting for your answer to my question. You mentioned he only acted when someone complained.you must've known the timeline to have a statement like that.so ill wait for your answer. Its not about discussing details, its about finding out whether you are telling the truth or not. If you are correct then so be it,but let us be fair and not falsely accuse someone.this will also enlighten subscribers of this thread.