The Church is responsible for over population in the Phils.

[jennyreyes]

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NSO probably has their own agenda.

[JX]

This is it. Does that mean mag una pa ang pag abstain than having discipline? What do you mean by "ningpaubos"?

ningpaubos meaning usa na siya sa components sa abstinence programs approach.. or lain pa nga component is, knang wla kay uyab/asawa, component ghapon sa abstinence programs approach..

And mine too. My father came from a family of 11 children yet all of them are now professionals. Mao lagi na karon, nagkamahal na ang mga palitonon karon and everything is going up so rapidly except ang sweldo sa tao. It's actually a reason why all of us should be more responsible and practical kay pwerteng lisura na. Even some middle/average families are sometimes having a hard time making ends meet, how much more ang pobre who barely eats 2 meals or worse just a meal a day.

mao lagi, how much more ang pobre? they need assistance kay di man jud makapugong. Imbis tabangan sa gobyerno kay aron dli managhan ug samot, mahadlok man sa sugo sa simbahan.

That's why ni pinpoint ko ug disiplina because the government and church are not there all the time to keep an eye on everybody, same is through with parents with their teenage children. Kung mamabdos ang anak, is it entirely the parent's fault?

The government/church should always be there to keep an eye on everybody, or else unsa pa ma'y gamit nila?
I was referring to, if momabdos ang anak, adto jud na dagan sa parents. Kana kay di na man na mausab, pangitaan ug paagi aron di na mausab, di kay magpadayon ug sige ug kamabdos.

Mao gani, because we're having a very incompetent government, we have to take initiative to at least somehow help solve the problem. People are blaming the government for unemployment, yet sila mismo di mangita ug trabaho. See the irony? Same is through with the population explosion, people are criticizing and waiting for any government action yet continuously engaging in irresponsible ***. Ang gisaligan nga gobyerno wala'y ayo, ang tao utro di mo-cooperate, ang resulta, pwerteng nindota, cute babies.

Again, i am doing my own part to help. But the nature of this forum is to talk about the problem.
Nangita lagi ug trabaho apan ang trabaho nga daghan karon is nangita pod ug diploma.
Mao btaw nagsige ug encourage ang government sa foreign investors kay sila mismo dli ka.produce ug mga trabaho.
Ang population explosion karon is nag.center sa mga below poverty line, mostly wla'y education. I dont see them complaining to the government bout contraceptives..

Go and ask the poor kay i-refer dayun ka ana nila sa Bibliya, ingnon ka nga "blessing na sa Ginoo", a very typical defense mechanism of how irresponsible parents are, unya ang anak pwerteng hilak sa kilid kay pwerteng gutuma dayun wala'y gikaon tibuok buntag ug hapon. Pugngan ang pagmabdos? How I wish, but sad to say, ang atong gisaligan nga gobyerno pwerte ka wala'y ayo. And people continuously criticize them yet at the same time engaging in unprotected and irresponsible *** kay di lagi mapugngan ang gibati. Mao na'y problema sa tao, gusto lang pirmi sayun ug hayahay.

I have already asked some people in the slum areas, and ila tubag? wlay ikatubag.. Because wla sila kahibaw sa ilang rights nga napabayaan sa gobyerno.
People talking bout the bible are mostly from the middle class..

No, but it should be done with responsibility. Di kay tira lang kung manginit.

You are educating people.. I already know that.. But majority of society does not..
Thats why ang assistance from the government is greatly needed. After all, gsweldohan na sila sa mga tao(taxpayers), bsan wla na gabayad ang mga below poverty line, mo.affect man ghapon sa society, into crimes..

[yokam]

ningpaubos meaning usa na siya sa components sa abstinence programs approach.. or lain pa nga component is, knang wla kay uyab/asawa, component ghapon sa abstinence programs approach..

No one can abstain without discipline. No matter how the church or the government or anybody else would say nga kinahanglan ug disiplina or mag abstain, if wala gyu'y disiplina sa kaugalingon, nothing will change. Mopadayon lang ang naandan.

The government/church should always be there to keep an eye on everybody, or else unsa pa ma'y gamit nila?
I was referring to, if momabdos ang anak, adto jud na dagan sa parents. Kana kay di na man na mausab, pangitaan ug paagi aron di na mausab, di kay magpadayon ug sige ug kamabdos.

It's the welfare of the people, true. But as I assert, kung kuwang ang disiplina ang tao, no matter how good the government or the church is, wa epek gihapon. Nasamotan pa kay hina kaayo atong gobyerno. Just like the parent-daughter scenario, no matter how good the parents are if the daughter is not responsible enough, mamabdos gyud na. And if pugngan ang pagmabdos, maayo unta, but the problem is ang atong gisaligan nga mopugong sa pagpamabdos which is the government to give contraceptives is not even functioning well. Whether the government serves it's purpose towards population control or not basta kabalo lang gyud motan-aw ug responsibilidad ang tao, then overpopulation will not be much of a problem. Maybe naa gihapon but it's not this alarming.

mao lagi, how much more ang pobre? they need assistance kay di man jud makapugong. Imbis tabangan sa gobyerno kay aron dli managhan ug samot, mahadlok man sa sugo sa simbahan.

Again, i am doing my own part to help. But the nature of this forum is to talk about the problem.
Nangita lagi ug trabaho apan ang trabaho nga daghan karon is nangita pod ug diploma.
Mao btaw nagsige ug encourage ang government sa foreign investors kay sila mismo dli ka.produce ug mga trabaho.
Ang population explosion karon is nag.center sa mga below poverty line, mostly wla'y education. I dont see them complaining to the government bout contraceptives..

I have already asked some people in the slum areas, and ila tubag? wlay ikatubag.. Because wla sila kahibaw sa ilang rights nga napabayaan sa gobyerno.
People talking bout the bible are mostly from the middle class..

You are educating people.. I already know that.. But majority of society does not..
Thats why ang assistance from the government is greatly needed. After all, gsweldohan na sila sa mga tao(taxpayers), bsan wla na gabayad ang mga below poverty line, mo.affect man ghapon sa society, into crimes..

That's why, gasalig ta sa gobyernong wala'y ayo dugangan pa sa mga tao nga wala'y disiplina and uneducated, the result is catastrophic.

[JX]

No one can abstain without discipline. No matter how the church or the government or anybody else would say nga kinahanglan ug disiplina or mag abstain, if wala gyu'y disiplina sa kaugalingon, nothing will change. Mopadayon lang ang naandan.

kana diay'ng wlay uyab or asawa, mka.abstinence man ug ahat and not because of self discipline but because of the circumstance.. hehe,

It's the welfare of the people, true. But as I assert, kung kuwang ang disiplina ang tao, no matter how good the government or the church is, wa epek gihapon. Nasamotan pa kay hina kaayo atong gobyerno. Just like the parent-daughter scenario, no matter how good the parents are if the daughter is not responsible enough, mamabdos gyud na. And if pugngan ang pagmabdos, maayo unta, but the problem is ang atong gisaligan nga mopugong sa pagpamabdos which is the government to give contraceptives is not even functioning well. Whether the government serves it's purpose towards population control or not basta kabalo lang gyud motan-aw ug responsibilidad ang tao, then overpopulation will not be much of a problem. Maybe naa gihapon but it's not this alarming.

If we look at china at present time, they have this one-child policy.. Bsan pa ug gusto sa mag.asawa nga magdugang, kuhaon jud sa gobyerno. Ang uban gani mo.abroad lng aron mkadugang ug anak. Thats because naa'y backbone ang ilang gobyerno, ug wla'y simbahan nga nagbuot sa trabaho nila. Ma naa or wlay disiplina ang mga tao didto, pro mao ma'y balaod, sunod gyud sila. Mao nga hinay2x na.control ila population.
Sa parent-daughter scenario.. In the US, teenagers nila didto is, g.educate and g.encourage nila nga if ever dli mapugngan kay ma.curios man gyud na, labi na anang edara, to be safe, meaning use contraceptives. Dri pa na, sus, mag.unsa nlng kha ang simbahan, puno cguro ug batikos ang gobyerno.. hehe, nya magkurog pod dayon ang mga leaders, sunod dayon..

That's why, gasalig ta sa gobyernong wala'y ayo dugangan pa sa mga tao nga wala'y disiplina and uneducated, the result is catastrophic.

regarding the issue, wla jud ayo ang gobyerno nga gisaligan, kay sunod dayon ug unsay isulti sa church.. ang church pod, di nlng mosabay sa panahon.. pra nko, di man na abortion ang mogamit ug artificial contraceptives.. mas dako pa gni nga crime if mogawas ang bata nga dli mabuhi sa parent.

[ichor_82283]

Hmmm...

I believe that the government should provide access to the methods or to the means of applying artificial family planning. The question is, do we have the funds? If you would argue that that's the point of having the government taking a peek to our population explosion, I think we should be drumming our points of views on their ears. Much more should we drum to WHO and the USAID to bring back the support of giving free condoms and some contraceptives to give the people free access to these instruments.

Has someone visited the nearby barangay clinics or health centers to have a more concrete argument on what were the programs employed by our government?

Here's what I found out.

1. Condoms and some contraceptives were given, and others administered.
2. Rhythm or the calendar planning or so is being taught.
3. Seminars or "improvised" symposia were being conducted and they even visited areas where dense population are located.
4. They bring in successful families who tried family planning be it artificial or not to give testimonials.
5. They are "educating" (meaning counseling and giving them access to instruments and knowledge) the people you were referring to be living in "slum areas" and mind you, even those in the middle class. (How insensitive of us to pinpoint people in the marginalized sector as culprits of population explosion. The truth is, they indeed constitute the most but a portion of this population explosion lies as well to the middle and upper classes).

My suggestion...
(I just don't know if this happens. I am single.)

Educating the couples who are entering or will be entering marriage should be done. Kana bang bag-o ikasal, di ba naa man nay seminar? I think that would be a good venue.
Health classes of those teeners is also a good starting point.

OT:
I think someone comments that the NSO has their own agenda, isn't it the the concern of DOH and other related agencies such as POPCOM or POPDEV?

To the issue.

I think commercialism has also misled the public. Take a look at the commercial of frenzy. Their main advocacy is SAFE ***. SAFE *** in the light of not having STDs and less on the emphasis of having unwanted pregnancies. I mean, I hope I am not being bias, it's like liberation and concentrating on carnal whims. Pale the frenzy ad with the TRUST condom ad. You'll see the difference.

[arnie121]

OT:
@JX
sigi man lang kag mention sa China diri. Aypa adto nalang ka puyo. Bilib man kaayo ka sa ila pangobyerno didito. The Philippines is still a free country the last time i checked.

Pila na gani na sila ka bilyon? Nisalir diay gihapon ana ilahang policy? And what are the consequences anan ilang, matud pa nimo, nindot kaayo nga population control policy? Daghang ABORTION. Basin okay ra pud na nimo.

@ichor_62283
maypa ka you spent the time going to the nearest health center. dili parehas aning uban diring virtual librarians nga sigig tulisok sa gobyerno ug simbahan. wala gani kahibaw sa actual nga panghitabo sa mga health centers. Wala na kunoy condom didto. Didto man gani ko ganina - nanghatag man lagi.

[The_Child]

The motivation for Population controls lies beyond MacroEconomics or National Interests. The precursors to the problem is decisively inserted in our culture, in the hope that it would legitimize it claims, thus the proliferation of contraceptive advertisements, *** education frenzy, pornograpy etc. If we would look at it in a panoptic view, there is an explosion of anything sexual, which the System uses as a mere inoculation, that is, they use it to justify the means for population control. The Population control, when following this convolution i just 'simplistically' mentioned, is not ,was not a national interest or a problem, it was created as a problem to legitimize the move for control which among other things doesnt only answer population problem, which merely a guise of the system, but also the possibility of minimizing diversity and dissent from the ongoing construction of a global culture. And this what I meant by global culture is anything but positive. If a one-word description be made, this gobal culture is Hegemonic.

in this way, the church being a hindrance to this construction of a global culture, must also be destroyed in the name of "progress" thus the smear in differnent kinds from different directions.

cheers!

[JX]

Hmmm...

I believe that the government should provide access to the methods or to the means of applying artificial family planning. The question is, do we have the funds? If you would argue that that's the point of having the government taking a peek to our population explosion, I think we should be drumming our points of views on their ears. Much more should we drum to WHO and the USAID to bring back the support of giving free condoms and some contraceptives to give the people free access to these instruments.

the government would dare defy the church?

Has someone visited the nearby barangay clinics or health centers to have a more concrete argument on what were the programs employed by our government?

Here's what I found out.

1. Condoms and some contraceptives were given, and others administered.
2. Rhythm or the calendar planning or so is being taught.
3. Seminars or "improvised" symposia were being conducted and they even visited areas where dense population are located.
4. They bring in successful families who tried family planning be it artificial or not to give testimonials.
5. They are "educating" (meaning counseling and giving them access to instruments and knowledge) the people you were referring to be living in "slum areas" and mind you, even those in the middle class. (How insensitive of us to pinpoint people in the marginalized sector as culprits of population explosion. The truth is, they indeed constitute the most but a portion of this population explosion lies as well to the middle and upper classes).

during atienza's time, the budget for all of these was cut-off because he's into "pro-life"
At least the middle and upper class can support themselves.

My suggestion...
(I just don't know if this happens. I am single.)

Educating the couples who are entering or will be entering marriage should be done. Kana bang bag-o ikasal, di ba naa man nay seminar? I think that would be a good venue.
Health classes of those teeners is also a good starting point.

and on catholic schools?

OT:
I think someone comments that the NSO has their own agenda, isn't it the the concern of DOH and other related agencies such as POPCOM or POPDEV?

To the issue.

I think commercialism has also misled the public. Take a look at the commercial of frenzy. Their main advocacy is SAFE ***. SAFE *** in the light of not having STDs and less on the emphasis of having unwanted pregnancies. I mean, I hope I am not being bias, it's like liberation and concentrating on carnal whims. Pale the frenzy ad with the TRUST condom ad. You'll see the difference.

i think unwanted pregnancies automatically follows.. and frenzy is trying to be hip and they know their target market.

[arnie121]

@the_child
quite intriguing indeed...

[JX]

The motivation for Population controls lies beyond MacroEconomics or National Interests. The precursors to the problem is decisively inserted in our culture, in the hope that it would legitimize it claims, thus the proliferation of contraceptive advertisements, *** education frenzy, pornograpy etc. If we would look at it in a panoptic view, there is an explosion of anything sexual, which the System uses as a mere inoculation, that is, they use it to justify the means for population control. The Population control, when following this convolution i just 'simplistically' mentioned, is not ,was not a national interest or a problem, it was created as a problem to legitimize the move for control which among other things doesnt only answer population problem, which merely a guise of the system, but also the possibility of minimizing diversity and dissent from the ongoing construction of a global culture. And this what I meant by global culture is anything but positive. If a one-word description be made, this gobal culture is Hegemonic.

in this way, the church being a hindrance to this construction of a global culture, must also be destroyed in the name of "progress" thus the smear in differnent kinds from different directions.

cheers!

The enigma of population control:
70's to 90's history of Singapore, Japan and South Korea.. now look at their economy..