Abolition of Fraternities and Sororities.

[lana21]

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honestly,i somehow agreed to this abolition notion.due to the fact that a lot people already died.

well if this will not be implemented,then i hope,the leaders of these fraternities would choose people their going to give permit to be part of their organization..

daghan na man gud kaau mga garaon

[SPRINGFIELD_XD_40]

@ LANA21 ... not to burst your bubble but that is like suggesting also ABOLISHED humanity kay daghan CRIMINAL aning kalibutana . So kung wala na HUMANITY , wala na krimen ug wala na patay .

The funny thing is dili ra ba gyud MAJORITY ang FRATMEMBERS na ni commit ug CRIME, how do we get back to the NON FRATMEN ? Abolish their respective families because thats where they belong ?

[lana21]

mao bitaw ingon ko na if dili i abolish then i hope inyo pilion ang inyo pasudlon sa organization,,
as what as we can see naman gud karon,daghan kaau members na gara gara lang ila pagsulod sa pagkangan nga member sila ana
daghan na kaau nakasulod ana na wala man gani ngskwela,i mean wala na jud nangskwela..
nga wala gani better understanding of what fraternities or sororities means..

[SPRINGFIELD_XD_40]

@ LANA21 ...

- filtering and screening in membership of an ORGANIZATION is not a GUARANTEE of a person of becoming a GOOD CHRISTIAN and HONEST CITIZEN .

- if naay STATISTICS / RESEARCH and SURVEY mailatag diri proving that a lot of members GARA GARA pagsulod sa pagkangalan lang na mahimo silang FRATMAN is greatly appreciated .

- Before you become a FRATMAN or SORMAN , indeed wala kay IDEA gyud what is like to be one . Thus the reason you are being ORIENTED prior to be INDUCTED for membership . If you decided to back out , then fine ... now you are educated of what FRATERNITY is . Kana mga politiko , maestro/maestra , media unsa pa ... as long as they are not FRATMAN / SORMAN themselves , they will never know what they are talking about . unya sila ang maayo kaau mo TAGGED and LECTURE about FRATERNITY .. isnt it IRONIC ??

- Believe me , but you dont have to . Mas daghan ko na meet na brods na maldito sa AKRHO who belongs to the EDUCATED , WELL-OFF category kumpara sa mga na stereotyped na tao who belongs to the BELOW AVERAGE people to include sa mga wala naka skwela , nakatilaw ug luxury in life and the likes .

[yokam]

they dont give licenses to gangs.. therefore its their obligation to regulate actions within licensed fraternities..

It's actually looking one-sidedly. Of course gangs will not be given licenses because what good does the term "gang" can give. Yet by reading reports, fraternities are on the hotseat. Almost every undesirable incident that occurs is immediately related to fraternities even without very solid basis.

[JX]

It's actually looking one-sidedly. Of course gangs will not be given licenses because what good does the term "gang" can give. Yet by reading reports, fraternities are on the hotseat. Almost every undesirable incident that occurs is immediately related to fraternities even without very solid basis.

the question was : "Why rant it on fraternities when gangs and some other groups are more notorious yet we don't hear much from them?"

they dont give licenses to gangs.. therefore its their obligation to regulate actions within licensed fraternities..

fraternities and sorrorities are government/law sacntioned organizations. gangs are not.

gangs are not usually hyped bec. after all they are "gangs" , it is expected when it comes to trouble..
but when it comes to fraternities, since most members are students, therefore it is an alarming issue especially to the parents, that is why it is usually on the hotseat..

[yokam]

the question was : "Why rant it on fraternities when gangs and some other groups are more notorious yet we don't hear much from them?"

I was pertaining to the media and the papers. Because of all the buzz that has been going around, fingers are always pointed towards fraternities every time trouble and worse death is being reported.

I took this from the other thread as an example. Look at the title, "Boy's death linked to frat hazing", yet in the first place, it was said that the cause of the death is dengue. See how bias it is? After all, fraternity related incidents is more interesting and catchy than merely stating "Boy dies of dengue" or "Dengue claims another life".

Wednesday, September 26, 2007
Boy's death linked to frat hazing
By Jovy S. Taghoy
With Rene H. Martel

CEBU CITY -- A 13-year-old grade six pupil died at 12:15 a.m. Tuesday, raising speculations that he was a victim of hazing rites.

Ren Atillo of Barangay Poblacion Pardo, Cebu City died days after having fever and complaining of chest pains.

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Ren did not make it alive at the Cebu City Medical Center (CCMC) when his father and grandmother rushed him there past 11 p.m. Monday.

Carlito P. Tinga, customer service supervisor of St. Francis Funeral Homes, said the boy died of sepsis and pneumonia.

Tinga read over the telephone the death certificate signed by medico-legal officer Dr. Gil Macato.

However, Ren’s father Renato, 36, suspects that his eldest son may have just finished initiation rites of a gang or fraternity because he noticed bruises on Ren’s right leg.

Renato also showed a red big handkerchief, which he believes is one of the symbols of the gang. He could not say, though, if his son belonged to the Crips or Bloods gang.

Renato said that last Monday morning he asked his son if he is a member of a gang but the latter refused to tell him.

“Ang istorya-istorya man gud daw anang gang kay piyaet must die. Maong wa gyud siya motug-an nako (We heard stories that the gang’s code is that anyone who squeals must die),” Renato said.

He does not plan to have his son autopsied.

Cebu City Councilor Gerardo Carillo said that if the speculation that Ren died from hazing is true, it is a cause for alarm since it means fraternities and gangs have made their way to elementary schools.

“I understand it supposedly happened outside the school. I’m really concerned. It is something alarming, which is why we must know whether it is fraternity-related,” he said.

Carillo, chairman of the Cebu City Commission for the Welfare and Protection of Children, is the City Council committee on education chairman.

Dr. Lorna Rances, City Schools Division superintendent, though, said that she immediately checked when she heard about Atillo’s death and found out that he died of dengue.

She said the nurse who attended to Atillo told her that all indications point to dengue as the cause of death.

“You in media, because you don’t believe and you suspect a cover-up, there are records in the hospital. Look them up. I won’t say any more,” Rances said in a telephone interview.

At the Cebu City Hall, Mayor Tomas Osmeña said he might call to a meeting the leaders of Crips and Bloods gangs, which recently made news because of violent clashes of members.

He said he does not have a clear picture yet of what’s really going on between the two groups, but he noticed that the Tau Gamma Phi and Alpha Kappa Rho (Akrho) “have not been in the forefront” now.

“It’s the younger ones,” he said, referring to both Crips and Bloods.

The mayor said he read in the papers about the arrest of 14 teenagers whom the police caught in the act of hitting two minors with a paddle during an initiation rite.

But Renato’s mother Norma Marturillas said her grandson died of dengue.

She said Ren confided to her that he fell from the stairs in Sto. Tomas de Villanueva Church last Thursday while hearing mass.

Ren’s butt hit the floor during the fall, Marturillas said.

By Friday, Ren developed a fever but he still attended classes at the Pardo Elementary School.

Last Saturday, Ren went to the neighboring Barangay Quiot to visit his classmate.

In his classmate’s house, Ren reportedly lost consciousness, prompting his classmate’s father to inform Renato.

Renato fetched his son.

Renato and Marturillas said they had asked Ren what caused bruises on his leg. Ren said they were caused by his fall.

Renato and Marturillas said they noticed Ren having a hard time walking straight.

On Sunday night, Marturillas said, Ren complained of chest pains and his fever worsened. Marturillas said they took Ren to the city hospital where he underwent an X-ray exam and urine and blood test.

Because Ren’s condition improved after he was given medicines, Marturillas said they checked him out of the hospital.

When they arrived home in Middle Tabucanal, Barangay Poblacion Pardo, she gave Ren rice and a boiled egg for dinner.

“After he ate the egg, he vomited. I also saw a huge bruise on his body. I do not believe he was in a hazing,” Marturillas said.

Marturillas and Renato said Ren will be buried on Saturday.

Poblacion Pardo Barangay Captain Danilo Lim, in an interview, said his office is investigating the incident.

The Pardo Police Station is also going to look into the case.

Initial information Lim gathered from Ren’s relatives indicated that the boy did not die from hazing.

Lim admitted, though, that he received information that some gang members, particularly Crips and Bloods, are recruiting teenagers in the barangay.

Because of this, Lim said they have strengthened the night patrols of tanods to monitor the activities of teenagers.

Pardo Elementary School principal Teresa Aliviado, in a separate interview, said they have not received any report of their pupils being recruited by gangs or fraternities.

She said they have been monitoring the activities of their pupils and that no outsiders are allowed to enter the school premises.

From 7 a.m. to 8 a.m. and from 11 a.m. to noon, only parents or guardians are allowed to get inside, Aliviado said. (Sun.Star Cebu)

Look at how they arranged the report, giuna gyud ang fraternity/gangs rather than stating immediately the cause of death. They're making the story a lot interesting and appealing to readers and was giving the wrong impression about the case, they just made fraternities look and sound worse and made people think that the kid really died because of hazing. Giunhan na nila ug fraternity, thus it will immediately set the minds of people that it was another frat related death, not much attention given to dengue. And in the end ang alkansi? It's fraternities as a whole again. People read their reports which means sales for them at the expense of the term "fraternities".

[JX]

i've read that report already(all of it).. i think all sides were given.. its upon the readers to judge the story.. and the way i see it, initiation rites speculation was from the father.. but only, frat and gang was used synonymously which is wrong..

[chad_tukes]

I would AGREE on this MEDIA HYPE and SENSATIONALIZED ISSUE of yours because you are exprfessing it towards the HAZING ISSUE which is not new either . Now that is FRAT RELATED because it is SANCTIONED by the FRAT .

But then take note also ... for everyones C ONSUMPTION , FRAT SANCTIONED refers to the INITIATION RITE , physical injury is another .

physical injury is another? ain't initiation rites of frats in the Philippines consist of physical injuries (paddle, hazing, etc.)?? i'm not a frat leader so correct me if i'm mistaken. what's your take on that?

it seems like separating physical injury and denying it as non-frat related can be comparable to cutting siamese twins into half.

[SPRINGFIELD_XD_40]

physical injury is another?

Yes it is . That is anothewr form of HAZING and PUNISHABLE by LAW .

ain't initiation rites of frats in the Philippines consist of physical injuries (paddle, hazing, etc.)?? i'm not a frat leader so correct me if i'm mistaken. what's your take on that?

First , you dont have to be a FRAT LEADER to know it , even if you are only a member is good enough to know ( OBVIOUSLY ) , everyone undergoes . Secondly , INITIATION RITES is not only about HAZING . Just like here in iSTORYA.net , before you can post in the CLASSIFIED ADS for free , you have to be at least a JUNIOR MEMBER ? Now to become a JUNIOR MEMBER , you have to post and participate in the forums and indeed that is a form of INITIATION RITE by definition , to uundergo something to achieve something . Last time I checked murag wala man ko kulataha ni FAFA BEOR .

it seems like separating physical injury and denying it as non-frat related can be comparable to cutting siamese twins into half.

Let me ask you first why is PHYSICAL INJURY being associated with FRATERNITIES or FRAT RELATED ISSUES ?

It would be more appropriate to say FRATERNITIES and INITIATION RITES/HAZING goes together like sayamis twens .