Gays and Lesbians in Churches

[NapoleonBlownapart]

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God said it was good, but humanity will always be less than Him, hence why we can't ever be like our Creator. Sin is essentially a part of of humanity concealed inconspicuously in the form of free will. God said they can do anything but eat from the fruit of a particular tree, in which they did anyway. Adam and Eve only incurred God's wrath. Did flooding the Earth free us of sin? The plagues? Where there is free will, there is sin.

Please point me to the verse that God says man can do "anything". I'm not denying man's sinfulness. What I'm pointing is man should live a holy life. That's a calling for every believer. Just because man sins doesn't excuse him from the penalty of living in sin. When Jesus heals/forgive people, he'll always say go and sin no more. Jesus calls for it, the Apostles calls for it.

For sure, not everyone is going to be a Pope. Sin is, and always, inevitable. This is why we continually need to do good to tip the scales in our favor.

Yes but Peter's letter was not written for himself. When he said "for it is written: “Be holy, because I am holy.”, he was not telling it to himself. He was telling it to the church. His epistle was written for the church.

I know someone who committed premarital s*x with her boyfriend, yet she still helps the needy in more ways than one. She sinned, as the Bible suggests that s*x is for procreation and not recreation, but the people who know her, including me, still think she is a great person. But then again, who are we to judge her?

It's not us who judges it's the word of God. If God says in his word that those who do those acts are fornicators, and no fornicators will enter heaven, who are we to ignore that warning? Why aren't we loving our brothers and sisters enough to tell them to stop doing those sin or else he/she will be in danger of going to hell? Telling your brother/sister to stop sinning is not judging. The word of God has revealed that those who do such things will not enter heaven. You tell them because you love them and you don't want them to be in hell.

I was just pointing it out since they are both infallible.

when you say both, you mean the Qur'an and the Bible?

Obviously the Bible does not need reworking, but look at what happens when you don't "evolve". Evolution doesn't mean a drop in standards or a rework, but to reinforce. It's needed when the time comes. And with the current Pope, we'll probably see that.

Are you implying that the word of God has, through time and changes in society, become weak because it needs "reinforcing"? What needs to be "reinforced"?

As I observe in our society today, the only thing that needs change is man's standard because ours is going down.

The Bible is just a guide book on how to live our lives and the very foundation of what is acceptable to Christians.

Because sexual immorality is unacceptable to Christianity, they should repent or else stop going to church and claiming to be a Christian because they're only wasting their time. They're only insulting God and fueling His anger. How can someone call himself a Christian when you're not following the guidebook on how to be a Christian but instead doing things that's considered unacceptable to Christianity? Unless they repent, they're only pushing the heat up of the oil of God's wrath.

Besides, Jesus gave absolution and redemption to one of the two thieves who was nailed next to him, in which he would have gone straight to Hell because "Thou shalt not steal." Same thing for gays? I beg to differ.

He would've have he not repented. Same thing for all sinners no matter what we think the gravity of their sin is. To God, a sin is a sin. After all it's not what we think that matters, it's what God thinks.

[Pringle]

He would've have he not repented. Same thing for all sinners no matter what we think the gravity of their sin is. To God, a sin is a sin. After all it's not what we think that matters, it's what God thinks.

Exactly what I've been trying to say the entire time. So, leave the people be since we aren't the judge of this temporal life. It's up to them to repent or whatnot. It's already enough for people to know what the Bible says, no need to shove it down their throats. Besides, what you see around you are people trying to live their lives. To each his own, unbound by anything but this world's laws and God's final judgement.

[NapoleonBlownapart]

Exactly what I've been trying to say the entire time. So, leave the people be since we aren't the judge of this temporal life.

We're not judges but the bible has revealed what's acceptable living and what's not. If a brother is living an unacceptable life and you have knowledge of it, it's your responsibility as brother to correct him. Leaving them be is just unchristian. You're letting your brother go to hell without you doing anything about it when you can do something. I sure couldn't leave with that guilt. Furthermore, I don't want to be held accountable because I have the chance to dissuade them but I didn't do it. "When I say to the wicked, ‘You wicked person, you will surely die,’ and you do not speak out to dissuade them from their ways, that wicked person will die for their sin, and I will hold you accountable for their blood."

It's up to them to repent or whatnot. It's already enough for people to know what the Bible says, no need to shove it down their throats. Besides, what you see around you are people trying to live their lives. To each his own, unbound by anything but this world's laws and God's final judgement.

I don't force anybody to believe me or change their ways. It's God's work to convict a heart of a person not mine. I'm only echoing what the bible is saying that these things are wrong. My responsibility as a Christian is done.

[SioDenz]

I haven't encountered any religion that is correct

They preach peace, but goes all-out on war when their beliefs are threatened. This is why I don't meddle too much with religion, but this very minor issue about gender equality, what have they done wrong? Do they provoke the masses? Are they imposing a threat so appalling that we should just shun them? They are forgetting the one thing they are always preaching about: love. "Love one another" they say, with a double standard attached. "To each his own" they say, and gossips the mistakes you make.

Change is the only constant thing in this world, and I guess it's time for it. A man's redemption being determined by his gender? A straight thief having higher priority in Heaven over the gay humanitarian advocate? Something is wrong.

Leave the judging to the judges. We are mere players waiting to be judged.

Christianity is against racism because we believed Race is sacred...

That's why we are against homosexuality because we believed that *** is also very Scared...

We are created as Man and woman, and God clearly say about homosexuality. If we are going to ALLOW homosexuality because you have rights to do it, Then HOW can we JUSTIFY Rejecting BESTIALITY if the people doing it have the same Reason as yours - EQUALITY?

We are not Judging the Gays that they will NOT enter heaven, We are Just saying Having *** with the same gender is Against the LAW based on what the BIBLE say.

I think LGBT are looking Equality in different VIEW..

[NapoleonBlownapart]

Change is the only constant thing in this world, and I guess it's time for it. A man's redemption being determined by his gender? A straight thief having higher priority in Heaven over the gay humanitarian advocate? Something is wrong.

Yes something is wrong. You've missed the importance of repentance. Without it no one's gonna enter heaven may he be straight or gay.

If Paul is alive today he'll probably receive some flak because of his strong remarks against Christians who are still "living in sin". But now I am writing to you that you must not associate with anyone who claims to be a brother or sister but is sexually immoral or greedy, an idolater or slanderer, a drunkard or swindler. Do not even eat with such people.

[Pringle]

Christianity is against racism because we believed Race is sacred...


That's why we are against homosexuality because we believed that *** is also very Scared...

S*x is sacred, yeah, but what it looks like today, it's becoming more and more of a recreational activity. Don't you think another natural disaster is about to hit this Earth soon enough to cleanse the world once more?

We are created as Man and woman, and God clearly say about homosexuality. If we are going to ALLOW homosexuality because you have rights to do it, Then HOW can we JUSTIFY Rejecting BESTIALITY if the people doing it have the same Reason as yours - EQUALITY?

We are not Judging the Gays that they will NOT enter heaven, We are Just saying Having *** with the same gender is Against the LAW based on what the BIBLE say.

For sure, both are against the Bible's ethics. No need to shove it down our throats. As my gay friend would say, "It's very, very hard. People who are wired "normally" are lucky that they don't have to face additional social stigmas." But you know what? Were it not for repentance, every Christian would go to Hell. Were it not for repentance, we wouldn't have free will to do what we want. We would have only been God's puppets from the very beginning.

I think LGBT are looking Equality in different VIEW..

They aren't looking for a different view. What they want is equality against unjust and ungrounded treatment towards them just because they are gay. Besides, the LGBT community knows the associated risks for the actions they do, so leave it to them.

And when you said "different VIEW ", you sir, are pointing out your double-standard.

Yes something is wrong. You've missed the importance of repentance. Without it no one's gonna enter heaven may he be straight or gay.

If Paul is alive today he'll probably receive some flak because of his strong remarks against Christians who are still "living in sin". But now I am writing to you that you must not associate with anyone who claims to be a brother or sister but is sexually immoral or greedy, an idolater or slanderer, a drunkard or swindler. Do not even eat with such people.

Repentance is what I've been saying all along. Circumstances compel people to do something unpleasant, but what matters is how one makes up for it and see if he/she can still get God's approval. Not that I'm relying on repentance for judgement, but without it we can never, ever say that "God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life. For God did not send the Son into the world to judge the world, but that the world might be saved through Him".

[NapoleonBlownapart]

Repentance is what I've been saying all along. Circumstances compel people to do something unpleasant, but what matters is how one makes up for it and see if he/she can still get God's approval. Not that I'm relying on repentance for judgement, but without it we can never, ever say that "God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life. For God did not send the Son into the world to judge the world, but that the world might be saved through Him".

When there's true repentance then homosexuals wouldn't be homosexuals anymore.

Jesus did not come to condemn the world but those who keep on living sinful lives would surely face God's judgment.

[SioDenz]

S*x is sacred, yeah, but what it looks like today, it's becoming more and more of a recreational activity. Don't you think another natural disaster is about to hit this Earth soon enough to cleanse the world once more?

So we will change the sacredness of a thing or idea BASED on what happen today? or what people are doing? If thats your point then we will be creating a world with RELATIVE Morality or RELATIVE laws and guidelines on what is right or wrong. And in NO way it would COME UP good.

For sure, both are against the Bible's ethics. No need to shove it down our throats. As my gay friend would say, "It's very, very hard. People who are wired "normally" are lucky that they don't have to face additional social stigmas." But you know what? Were it not for repentance, every Christian would go to Hell. Were it not for repentance, we wouldn't have free will to do what we want. We would have only been God's puppets from the very beginning.

I think WE NEED to shove that IDEA into your THROAT because it SEEMS you do not KNOW the meaning of ABSOLUTE Morality that Christian Believes. When we follow a certain LAW from the Bible, We believed it as an ABSOLUTE LAW GIVEN to us by GOD. YOU cannot Just say CHANGE that LAW and ACCEPT my HOMOSEXUAL activity because i have the RIGHT or because of EQUALITY. Because what your asking is to CHANGE our absolute belief so that you can EXPRESS yours.

They aren't looking for a different view. What they want is equality against unjust and ungrounded treatment towards them just because they are gay. Besides, the LGBT community knows the associated risks for the actions they do, so leave it to them.

And when you said "different VIEW ", you sir, are pointing out your double-standard.

EQUALITY? Do you really know what equality means?
The reason of our existence as a Christian is BECAUSE we Believed in GOD and His LAWS...
The reason we HAVE MEANING in each of our Christian LIFE is because of the ABSOLUTE LAW we Believed...
NOW, YOU Want US to ABANDON our BELIEF so that YOU can express your WHAT? FEELING?
Is that EQUALITY to you?

Repentance is what I've been saying all along. Circumstances compel people to do something unpleasant, but what matters is how one makes up for it and see if he/she can still get God's approval. Not that I'm relying on repentance for judgement, but without it we can never, ever say that "God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life. For God did not send the Son into the world to judge the world, but that the world might be saved through Him".

REPENTANCE is a THING you can DO only with GOD Because only GOD KNOWS whats inside your Heart and MIND.
God Does NOT ask US to evaluate REPENTANCE of Others, GOD Does Not Give us AUTHORITY to Judge who will be saved or NOT because HE is the ONLY one who can see whats in our hearts.
BUT if GOD give us LAWS - meaning WE should Follow it and WE can EVALUATE it using our capacity sa HUMAN.
WHEN God COMMANDED US that HOMOSEXUALITY is WRONG, He did NOT say "Ahh, but this LAW can be change in the future..." he did NOT Say, FOLLOW it if YOU CAN, if not its okay ALSO. Its not a RELATIVE LAW, its an ABSOLUTE LAW given to us by GOD and WE need to Follow it strictly because we are CAPABLE OF...


Bottom LINE - ITS NOT EQUALITY when you FORCED other PEOPLE to ABANDON the FOUNDATION and MEANING of their Belief and LIVES just Because YOU want to EXPRESS your FEELINGS.

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total respect for them because they are all human being...

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let us not judge them diha2x dayon, let us speak the truth in love lang sa ila, we have to judge rightly....