URBAN POOR?

[dothe102]

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mao bitaw ko ingon ko nga supposedly mas mo work ang socialized housing nga community owned dili individually owned para dili na gyud unta mabaligya, but as what youve said, they will always find a way to sell it. Maybe one good example of the community owned socialized housing project model that could work is the Gawad Kalinga model kay dili sa individual ihatag ang title, so if they decide to sell it, they sell it back to the community

Wala man ko nikontra sa imo gisulti and in fact gi confirm man gani nako imo statement about professional squatters..mao na sila ako gimean nga nagpahimulos sa dili unta angay nila pangwartahan

Individual title or not, they find ways to make money out of it. Pa abangan nila, then they go back squatting.

[thadzonline]

Individual title or not, they find ways to make money out of it. Pa abangan nila, then they go back squatting.

and that in itself is the problem, kay bisan unsaon sad ug hatag sa govt ug doleouts, these people want the easy way out..that is why, while im pushing for better access to public services, mas maayo sad unta that at least dili ihatag on a silver platter but bsed on true merit para sad magkat-on sila og trabaho...I hope naa work available nga pwede ra with the kind of skills nga naa tay daghan surplus..one more thing, kaning paghatag unta ug social benefits must go with educating recipients about what to expect and waht is expected of them

[dothe102]

and that in itself is the problem, kay bisan unsaon sad ug hatag sa govt ug doleouts, these people want the easy way out..that is why, while im pushing for better access to public services, mas maayo sad unta that at least dili ihatag on a silver platter but bsed on true merit para sad magkat-on sila og trabaho...I hope naa work available nga pwede ra with the kind of skills nga naa tay daghan surplus..one more thing, kaning paghatag unta ug social benefits must go with educating recipients about what to expect and waht is expected of them

You don't want it given to them on silver platter, yet you want them to be educated as to what to with what s given to them. Pati trabaho. Well this urban poor people, while some of them really need help, for the most part they obviously do not need the education. Afterall they are wais enough to sell the land donated to them by the govt. Obviously they know what they are doing (which is get as much money for free)

I say its about time we start criminalizing squatting in this country.

[thadzonline]

You don't want it given to them on silver platter, yet you want them to be educated as to what to with what s given to them. Pati trabaho. Well this urban poor people, while some of them really need help, for the most part they obviously do not need the education. Afterall they are wais enough to sell the land donated to them by the govt. Obviously they know what they are doing (which is get as much money for free)

I say its about time we start criminalizing squatting in this country.

when i say education, I dont mean the formal one, mura ba ug social preparation before maka avail sa benefits..not given on a silver platter means dili lang libre without having to work for it, dili dawat limpyo..I would like to believe naay job skills ning mga tawhana, but whether there are plenty of jobs that matches their skills is another story..kanang mga tawhana, naanad na lang na ug sige pamaligya sa ipanghatag sa ilaha kay walay man internal controls on the process, wala maeducate ug tarong sa ilahang gidawat ug sa ilang duties and responsibilities pertaining to what is given..Instead of criminalizing squatting as a whole(which is anti-people), mas maayo siguro ang icriminalize ang pagpamaligya sa socialized housing units and then dili na maka avail sa sunod if mamaligya..apil ang mamalit kasohan

[dothe102]

It's not education (formal or informal) that they need, its a big whack in the head. The government can only do so much.

[thadzonline]

whatever you call it, as long as it puts people in the proper place in this context, dugay naman ni nga modus gud but so far wala gihapon masolusyonan..I wont go as far as saying nga hopeless case ni because that would just sound too lame giving up

[dothe102]

Its not a hopeless case, what am saying its not all the govt. fault. The govt. has done enough by giving away this land. Whatever way you will distribute the land, if the "informal settlers" given these land have malicious/criminal intent they will always find a way to do so.

[thadzonline]

then I agree with your suggestion to criminalize professional squatting...pwede hatagan ug socialized housing benefits at the beginning, but if ibaligya gani, dili na ka avail ug balik then kasuhan pa jud..problema ani, samot ka congested atoang jail, then basin pati selda himuon rental property..lol

[gareb]

a 2005 Pulse Asia Survey (http://www.pcij.org/blog/?p=346):

Pulse Asia defines the poorest Class E as those who face great difficulties in meeting their basic survival needs. They live in slums or densely populated districts, or if in the rural areas, in houses of light materials (barong barong type). They may have electricity and plumbing and own at most a radio and a black and white TV for appliances.

• Compared to other socioeconomic classes, members of Class E are as concerned about having a secure source of income and their children’s education, but are more concerned about daily food intake than health, according to the survey. The number in Class E citing adequate food as an urgent personal concern rose by 18 points since March 2005.
• All socioeconomic classes consider inflation as the most urgent national concern, but the poor consider poverty as more urgent than issues such as graft and corruption. The country’s poor, however, does not significantly differ from the rest of the country in rating the government’s poverty reduction efforts. A marginally smaller proportion (62 percent) of class E disapproved of its performance, compared to a national figure of 67 percent.
• Majority of members of Class E (57 percent) continue to say that food manifested the biggest price increase in the three-month period preceding the survey. A sizable number, however, now cite electricity (20 percent) and transportation (11 percent). To cope with the price increases, the poor reduced their food consumption (23 percent), their consumption of other goods and services (23 percent) and borrowed money (18 percent).
• Nearly half of the country’s poorest (45 percent) say the food consumed by their families is inadequate. Their meals usually consist of rice or corn and fish (45 percent) or rice or corn and vegetables (38 percent).
• One-fourth of Class E say housing is inadequate. They also say their expenses for clothing (38 percent), medicine (58 percent) and schooling (62 percent) are not enough.
• Poor Filipinos – 41 percent of Class E and 37 percent of Class D – tend to attribute the increase in prices of oil products to negligence on the part of the present administration rather than to the increase in world market prices of crude oil. Meanwhile, even as the expanded VAT law awaits implementation, the increase in electricity rates is attributed to taxes by more than a third of Filipinos, with class E posting a marginally higher percentage (41 percent).

[baron]

I've heard those professional squatters before. They squat and ask the government for relocation. After they have this relocation house, they will just go back to the metropolis to squat again.

They are just an added burden to the government because they are free riders for me. They just want something for themselves at the government's expense. In the end, taxpayers are the losers of this game. More so, they are depriving other people of the opportunity to have these relocation houses, should they really need one.