Are you supporting federalism, what can you say about BBL?

[Juan Martinez]

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dili na tinoud...bakakon ang muslim..trytor

so what do you think is the truth?

[yhokz101]

according to her she is constitutional law expert, but she has shown are hubris and braggadocio.

She may be but we cant dismiss the fact that bbl will indeed create a substate which is by far unconstitutional in our current law.

[Juan Martinez]

She may be but we cant dismiss the fact that bbl will indeed create a substate which is by far unconstitutional in our current law.

why? what particular provision of the Constitution that makes the substate system violative of the latter?

[yhokz101]

why? what particular provision of the Constitution that makes the substate system violative of the latter?

do you know the difference between creating an autonomous region vs creating a substate bro?

That's why they are studying and reviewing the BBL in order to make a decision on whether this bill merely grants local autonomy (like ARMM), as allowed by our Constitution; or whether in effect it creates a substrate, which is not allowed by our Constitution.

[Juan Martinez]

do you know the difference between creating an autonomous region vs creating a substate bro?

That's why they are studying and reviewing the BBL in order to make a decision on whether this bill merely grants local autonomy (like ARMM), as allowed by our Constitution; or whether in effect it creates a substrate, which is not allowed by our Constitution.

sir, my question is, what particular provision of the Constitution that renders the substate system unconstitutional?

[yhokz101]

sir, my question is, what particular provision of the Constitution that renders the substate system unconstitutional?

..illegal and contradicts in our constitution in a way which tend in violating the principle of constitutional supremacy.

ako lang e quote akong post before bro..

The Philippine Constitution provides for the powers of the state. The Constitution is supreme. The Agreement reserves to the central government the exercise of certain so-called "reserved powers," which are described as powers "retained by the central government." Thus, the Agreement diminishes the sovereignty of the Philippine Government by listing what are the powers that the central government can retain. In other words, the Agreement attempts to redefine the sovereignty of the Philippine state.

mao ni sulti ni sen. miriam bro.. pls sabta ang iya point.

"The Agreement not only reduces the sovereignty of the central government, but also provides that in the future, such sovereign powers as have been reserved may be further increased, provided the Bangsamoro agrees. It will therefore be the Bangsamoro which will determine what should be the remaining sovereign powers of the central government.”

[Juan Martinez]

..illegal and contradicts in our constitution in a way which tend in violating the principle of constitutional supremacy.

ako lang e quote akong post before bro..



mao ni sulti ni sen. miriam bro.. pls sabta ang iya point.

"The Agreement not only reduces the sovereignty of the central government, but also provides that in the future, such sovereign powers as have been reserved may be further increased, provided the Bangsamoro agrees. It will therefore be the Bangsamoro which will determine what should be the remaining sovereign powers of the central government.”

i perfectly understand what she is talking about. but, you, you yourself, i am asking you, other than what senator santiago is prosylitizing, what do you know, other than taking hook, line, and sinker what she is talking about, about our Constitution specifically saying this substate is unconstitutional, before we will talk about her postulate that by enumerating these reserved powers in the proposed bangsamoro basic law will unduly constrict philippine sovereignty.

[yhokz101]

i perfectly understand what she is talking about. but, you, you yourself, i am asking you, other than what senator santiago is prosylitizing, what do you know, other than taking hook, line, and sinker what she is talking about, about our Constitution specifically saying this substate is unconstitutional, before we will talk about her postulate that by enumerating these reserved powers in the proposed bangsamoro basic law will unduly constrict philippine sovereignty.

You perfectly understand her but yet you seek more? By her statement alone it is understood asa stand and BBL with respect sa atong constitution. What do you want my own version of her statement? Naa pa bay laing version, or gusto ka edited na version sa iyang statement? na unsa naman pod ka.. hehehe

Look, I am not a lawyer or even an expert about every corner sa atong constitution. I have read several news and followed the discussions about it sa TV and dri sa internet/news.

What I am implying and relaying to you is this fact and those statement which were mentioned, especially ni Sen Miriam.

Ikaw ako pangutan-on on why being a substate will not violate the current constitution given na sa topic on philippine sovereignty?

and ako hirit na pangutana, nganu mag palahi man jd lage ang mga moklo?

[Juan Martinez]

You perfectly understand her but yet you seek more? By her statement alone it is understood asa stand and BBL with respect sa atong constitution. What do you want my own version of her statement? Naa pa bay laing version, or gusto ka edited na version sa iyang statement? na unsa naman pod ka.. hehehe

Look, I am not a lawyer or even an expert about every corner sa atong constitution. I have read several news and followed the discussions about it sa TV and dri sa internet/news.

What I am implying and relaying to you is this fact and those statement which were mentioned, especially ni Sen Miriam.

Ikaw ako pangutan-on on why being a substate will not violate the current constitution given na sa topic on philippine sovereignty?

and ako hirit na pangutana, nganu mag palahi man jd lage ang mga moklo?

what senator santiago is bringing to the fore is her opinion only, and we know that one's opinion, however he or she thinks highly of himself or herself, is as good as ours. another thing, she is not the supreme court. let us put levity or sarcasm aside and face the issue squarely. i asked you because you sound to be knowledgeable about the proposed bangsamoro basic law and you speak with all the valor of an expert, not unlike senator santiago. i assume we are all reasonable men here. and all reasonable men use reason rather than parrot what the other is saying.
now, if we follow the line of reasoning of senator santiago that the enumeration of those reserved powers render the proposed measure unconstitutional, so it follows that it is the enumeration that makes the proposed measure unconstitutional, and not the entity to be established as substate that is unconstitutional, right?
i ask you again, which provision in the 1987 Constitution that will be transgressed if and when Congress will pass the proposed bangsamoro basic law?
please do not turn the table against me because i need clarification from you, considering that you read about it and followed the discussions on TV and on the net.

[yhokz101]

what senator santiago is bringing to the fore is her opinion only, and we know that one's opinion, however he or she thinks highly of himself or herself, is as good as ours. another thing, she is not the supreme court. let us put levity or sarcasm aside and face the issue squarely.

Did you catch what I said on "they are studying and reviewing it if it is indeed will threatened the Philippine's sovereignty, right?
Did that even conclusive to you and if it is then you are assuming all what I mentioned conclusive to say BBL is indeed unconstitutional? Wla nalang unta na nila gi review o approve na unta na diretso if kanang mga cogressman o sa senate wala naka sense og mga irregularities sa provision sa bbl in regards sa constitutions?

i asked you because you sound to be knowledgeable about the proposed bangsamoro basic law and you speak with all the valor of an expert, not unlike senator santiago. i assume we are all reasonable men here. and all reasonable men use reason rather than parrot what the other is saying.

Hahahah i was merely quoting her statement and posting my previous post of possible breach against sa constitution. This is simple you mocking me on how I put all those statement, and on how I catch your attention must have put a nail into your BBL. The main reason I will always say is why the heck would they want to separate and establish their own entity? And to think this agreement is between the executive branch and the MILF. We do have 3 branches, and that the reality is that only one of the three branches of government - the executive branch, consisting of the Office of the President acting through a peace panel of negotiators - represented the government. The executive branch alone does not represent the Philippine Government, db? Thus, the executive branch, in negotiating the Agreement had no power to bind the two other branches - legislative and judicial. In negotiating for the government, I am afraid that the executive branch not only exceeded its powers, but may have infringed upon the powers of the legislative branch.


This Agreement is between the Philippine Government (GPH) and the MILF. It is misleading for the Agreement to identify that one party is the "Philippine Government." The reality is that only one of the three branches of government - the executive branch, consisting of the Office of the President acting through a peace panel of negotiators - represented the government. The executive branch alone does not represent the Philippine Government. Thus, the executive branch, in negotiating the Agreement had no power to bind the two other branches - legislative and judicial. In negotiating for the government, I am afraid that the executive branch not only exceeded its powers, but may have infringed upon the powers of the legislative branch.

now, if we follow the line of reasoning of senator santiago that the enumeration of those reserved powers render the proposed measure unconstitutional, so it follows that it is the enumeration that makes the proposed measure unconstitutional, and not the entity to be established as substate that is unconstitutional, right?
i ask you again, which provision in the 1987 Constitution that will be transgressed if and when Congress will pass the proposed bangsamoro basic law?
please do not turn the table against me because i need clarification from you, considering that you read about it and followed the discussions on TV and on the net.

No direct provision in our current Constitution as I've heard/read but the interpretation of it as described as it would be contrary to the Constitution because it provides that the National Government retains all the powers not devolved to the local governments.

The Exclusive Powers given to the Bangsamoro also provokes controversy. Ako e site sa akong nabasa lang ni ha..

In the Constitution it has vested the legislative powers in the Congress of the Philippines and has given Congress the responsibility of giving life to certain provisions of the Constitution. Among them is Article XIV of the Constitution on Education, etc. which provides, inter alia, the following:

“Section 3: (1) All educational institutions shall include the study of the Constitution as part of the Curricula;

(2) They shall inculcate patriotism and nationalism, foster love of humanity, respect for human rights, appreciation of the role of national heroes in the historical development of the country, teach the rights and duties of citizenship …”

Enacting the laws to activate these provisions of the Constitution on education should go a long way to achieving national reconciliation and unity...BUT

On the other hand, it may be noted that the Bangsamoro Basic Law(Article IX on the Right to Education) is silent on the ideals of nationalism and expresses only the needs, ideals and aspirations of the Bangsamoro as may be seen below:

Article IX of Section 13. Integrated System of Quality Education: The Bangsamoro Government shall establish, maintain, and support, as a top priority, a complete and integrated system of quality education and adopt an educational framework that is relevant, and responsive to the needs, ideals, and aspirations of the Bangsamoro.


They are lacking of expounded interpretations will mean everything.. just as you will know, words means a lot. And if that is open to interpretation, it clearly violates and does not upholds on what is stated in the constitution.