@ Springfield
My views weren't for or in behalf of fratmen. And I will repeat this. I DON'T speak for the fraternities here. Hope this is clear to you. Suggest you read all my posts before you say who's wrong or right. I speak from the voice of experience from the frats I come - and if you have a problem figuring what my frats are -- are the least of my concerns. The most important fact people should know is the REALITY of HAZING and the commonality of its practice to MANY (but not all) fraternities. Which is a FACT.
The simple reason why some legislators are prompted to outlaw frats is because of the incidence of deaths related to hazing and that frats can't seem to keep the safety of neophytes. That's a FACT. And therefore, the problem is not about their existence it's about the problem of Hazing. Thats another FACT.
Therefore, by solving the problem of hazing is to ELIMINATE HAZING than abolish frats/sors altogether. That simple. And I'd like to point out to you and for you to understand WELL is that there is a problem with many frats now coz not all fraternities can do away with their hazing - because it's a "tradition" that's a FACT. Clear?
Stop beating around the bush and stop pretending you ALONE know everything...it does not help you.