Kinsa jud imo gituohan kung diin jud tah gikan, ang Bible or Science?

[noy]

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Bugo wa ka kasabot ug evolution, Evolution is Natural Selection that triggers genetic mutation that is needed for survival, Trial and Error sad na, ang species na dili maka survive sa isa ka lugar mamatay, ang maka survive mao tong mabilin BUGO! Dili na random process tanga.

sus!!!! tua ra! likay na pud..bagaa jud nimo ug nawng oi..

key phrase in your own words basin pa diay makasabut ka: Trial and Error, SPECIFIC ni? if not, then it's random..pagka brayt jud nimo..Lol
on the other hand..so kung dili diay ni random tanan..meaning of a purpose..tabla rag ning ingun ka ug naay nagbuhat ug nagdesign..ug ang paagi nga gigamit is Natural Selection in accordance with the Laws of Nature..na unay kas imung tari...pakauwaw lang ka.

Random process sa imong mata asa na nimo napunit? HAHAHAHAHA BUGO JUD mura kag korek diha bugoa ka.

not random in accordance with the natural law.
but Random in the sense that we do not know who will survive..

Order of Things? WALAY ORDER OF THINGS BUGO! Order of things sa imung mata asa nasad na nimo napunit? hahaha

mu recognize ka ug natural Laws pero mu reject ug order..Lol , even chaos is part of the process, therefore despite of chaotic events from natural calamaties to predator-prey cycle.. in its most absolute sense as long as it is in accordance with the laws binding nature..then there is order of things.

pangita ug usa ka butang under the creation unbrella nga way gamit?ok2? langaw?tae?daghan kaayo na ug gamit..
sad but true hasta ang imung kaamaw naa nay pulos.. LOL
diha makita kung unsa ka importante ang maayong pagpadako sa mga bata nga mudako nga naay respeto ug buot...ug malikayan silang mudako nga sama nimu!

Again gusto lang nimo e align imong fairytale belief sa realidad, mao mangita jud kag mga "catchy phrases" pariha anang "Order of Things" para ma justify imuhang fairytale imaginary belief. BULOK
Again dili nasad kailangan ug taas na reply kay dali ra kaayo e rebutt imong ka BUGO! hahaha
BUGOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOO

Catchy sa imung mata? fairy tale? na unsa ka? ang fairy tale proven to be something that is made up..istorya sa tiguwang ug tinuhoan sa boktot..
maka prove ka nga walay CREATOR aka God nga ning exist? if wala..then dili na fairytale.. pakaulaw lang ka!..ingun bitaw ko nimu dakla imung ulo..manyawat nalang basin mumata kas imung kabuang...di ka gusto ug dakol? aw sige..i parok nalang nang imung ulo..

asa na ang refutation sa argument ug design lage? sigeg likay2x..
prove that evolution is not guided.
asa na tong 1% nimu? nanimahong lata nga saging!

[Vedder]

sus!!!! tua ra! likay na pud..bagaa jud nimo ug nawng oi..

key phrase in your own words basin pa diay makasabut ka: Trial and Error, SPECIFIC ni? if not, then it's random..pagka brayt jud nimo..Lol
on the other hand..so kung dili diay ni random tanan..meaning of a purpose..tabla rag ning ingun ka ug naay nagbuhat ug nagdesign..ug ang paagi nga gigamit is Natural Selection in accordance with the Laws of Nature..na unay kas imung tari...pakauwaw lang ka.


not random in accordance with the natural law.
but Random in the sense that we do not know who will survive..


mu recognize ka ug natural Laws pero mu reject ug order..Lol , even chaos is part of the process, therefore despite of chaotic events from natural calamaties to predator-prey cycle.. in its most absolute sense as long as it is in accordance with the laws binding nature..then there is order of things.

pangita ug usa ka butang under the creation unbrella nga way gamit?ok2? langaw?tae?daghan kaayo na ug gamit..
sad but true hasta ang imung kaamaw naa nay pulos.. LOL
diha makita kung unsa ka importante ang maayong pagpadako sa mga bata nga mudako nga naay respeto ug buot...ug malikayan silang mudako nga sama nimu!



Catchy sa imung mata? fairy tale? na unsa ka? ang fairy tale proven to be something that is made up..istorya sa tiguwang ug tinuhoan sa boktot..
maka prove ka nga walay CREATOR aka God nga ning exist? if wala..then dili na fairytale.. pakaulaw lang ka!..ingun bitaw ko nimu dakla imung ulo..manyawat nalang basin mumata kas imung kabuang...di ka gusto ug dakol? aw sige..i parok nalang nang imung ulo..

asa na ang refutation sa argument ug design lage? sigeg likay2x..
prove that evolution is not guided.
asa na tong 1% nimu? nanimahong lata nga saging!

Dili ko maka prove na tinuod na imuhang ginoo, pareha ra sad na sa dili ko maka prove na tinuod nang mga pink unicorn, flying elephant etc. BUGO, Pero dili pasabot na dili ko maka prove ana kay tinuod na, Magpa dayun ra gihapon nang imaginary fairytale kay KAMONG naga claim ang dili ka prove BUGO.

Gi putol putol nasad nimo akong post, dili ka kabalo mu construct ug grammar nganung pamutlon man jud nimo ang mga post? Mura man kag si slabdans perte ka bugo ka storya ninyo oi mamutol ug mga post dili kabalo mu construct og grammar MGA BUGO.


Wala jud ka kasabot ug Evolution, Lisod ning makig-istorya sa BUGO kay dili jud makasabot. Akong pagsabot sa Evolution gikan sa mainstream scientists, imuha gikan sa Mental Hospital hahaha


"I LOVE SCIENCE" lagi daw pero basic fundamentals sa evolution wa kabalo. PERTE KA BUGOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO hhahahaha

[noy]

Dili ko maka prove na tinuod na imuhang ginoo, pareha ra sad na sa dili ko maka prove na tinuod nang mga pink unicorn, flying elephant etc. BUGO, Pero dili pasabot na dili ko maka prove ana kay tinuod na, Magpa dayun ra gihapon nang imaginary fairytale kay KAMONG naga claim ang dili ka prove BUGO.

untwa?paila lang kas imung pag ka ignorante! INVALID COMPARISON kana oi! pataka lang kag yawit!
ang pink unicorn ug flying elephant nimu..wala kanay logical ug philosophical basis..ergo, walay mutuo ana using logic and reason in this day of age.. pangita ug scientist nga mutuo ug pink unicorn?why scientist? because they're the type of people who uses their critical thinking extensively..
pero when it comes to God..ubay2x ang mga scientist nga mutuo ug Ginoo..
see the differnce? usapa na imung unicorn!

Gi putol putol nasad nimo akong post, dili ka kabalo mu construct ug grammar nganung pamutlon man jud nimo ang mga post? Mura man kag si slabdans perte ka bugo ka storya ninyo oi mamutol ug mga post dili kabalo mu construct og grammar MGA BUGO.

qouting by points ang tawag ana..grammar? way labut ang sentence construction aning dapita oi...pataka lang kag yawyaw..
angkon nalang nga wa kay ikatubag..di kay mag pasweto2x nga halata kaayong Blanko!

Wala jud ka kasabot ug Evolution, Lisod ning makig-istorya sa BUGO kay dili jud makasabot. Akong pagsabot sa Evolution gikan sa mainstream scientists, imuha gikan sa Mental Hospital hahaha
"I LOVE SCIENCE" lagi daw pero basic fundamentals sa evolution wa kabalo. PERTE KA BUGOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO hhahahaha

ay sus! giingnan ug panilhig na kay nagkalat imung utok...hoy! naminaw ka!
ay sig likay2x diha agta!
asa na ang proof nga evolution is not directed? asa na ang proof nfa 1 % ra sa actual population of scientists ang mutuo ug Ginoo..wa gihapun?
asa man akong gipangayo nimu nga part sa creation nga wala pulos?
wa naman kay rebuttal nga tarong..nag nga2x lang nang dagway nimu!

bugo? ikaw? aw di ko mu lalis ana..hahahaha
asa ka anang trial and error unya dili daw na random? LOL
unya walay order of things pero recognize ug natural law...nyahahaha!

fundamentals of evolution? where in the core idea of evolution explicitly concluded that God does not exist? ang mga tao ra ang nagcoin ana nga interpretation..and since ning apil2x man ka with that assertion..aw e-prove dayun that there is no guiding force behind evolution.. bonus question for you! where did the natural laws came from?

[2nderemperror]

sa gusto mo tuo sa Science nga explanation.. lingaw2x lang ug basa ani nga story oh pag may time. about a student ug iyahang atheist nga teacher. basa lang sa wala ka familiar ani nga story. heheh :3 (well, sa last part nga twist aning story, dli ko sure if tinuod nga iyaha ning story. pero anyway, kung sa story lang ka mag focus, atleast nice ni cya nga story. naay point ni nga story pud ba. heheh.)

An atheist professor of philosophy pauses before his class and then asks one of his new students to stand. 'You're a Christian, aren't you, son?'
'Yes sir,' the student says.
'So you believe in God?'
'Absolutely. '
'Is God good?'
'Sure! God's good.'
'Is God all-powerful? Can God do anything?'
'Yes'
'Are you good or evil?'
'The Bible says I'm evil.'
The professor grins knowingly. 'Aha! The Bible! He considers for a moment. 'Here's one for you. Let's say there's a sick person over here and you can cure him. You can do it. Would you help him? Would you try?'
'Yes sir, I would.'
'So you're good...!'
'I wouldn't say that.'
'But why not say that? You'd help a sick and maimed person if you could. Most of us would if we could. But God doesn't.'
The student does not answer, so the professor continues. 'He doesn't, does he? My brother was a Christian who died of cancer, even though he prayed to Jesus to heal him. How is this Jesus good? Can you answer that one?'
The student remains silent. 'No, you can't, can you?' the professor says. He takes a sip of water from a glass on his desk to give the student time to relax 'Let's start again, young fella. Is God good?'
'Er..yes,' the student says.
'Is Satan good?'
The student doesn't hesitate on this one. 'No.'
'Then where does Satan come from?'
The student falters. 'From God'
'That's right. God made Satan, didn't he? Tell me, son. Is there evil in this world?'
'Yes, sir..'
'Evil's everywhere, isn't it? And God did make everything, correct?'
'Yes'
'So who created evil?' The professor continued, 'If God created everything, then God created evil, since evil exists, and according to the principle that our works define who we are, then God is evil.'
Again, the student has no answer. 'Is there sickness? Immorality? Hatred? Ugliness? All these terrible things, do they exist in this world?'
The student squirms on his feet. 'Yes.'
'So who created them?'
The student does not answer again, so the professor repeats his question. 'Who created them?' There is still no answer. Suddenly the lecturer breaks away to pace in front of the classroom. The class is mesmerized. 'Tell me,' he continues onto another student. 'Do you believe in Jesus Christ, son?'
The student's voice betrays him and cracks. 'Yes, professor, I do.'
The old man stops pacing. 'Science says you have five senses you use to identify and observe the world around you. Have you ever seen Jesus?'
'No sir. I've never seen Him.'
'Then tell us if you've ever heard your Jesus?'
'No, sir, I have not..'
'Have you ever felt your Jesus, tasted your Jesus or smelt your Jesus? Have you ever had any sensory perception of Jesus Christ, or God for that matter?'
'No, sir, I'm afraid I haven't.'
'Yet you still believe in him?'
'Yes'
'According to the rules of empirical, testable, demonstrable protocol, science says your God doesn't exist... What do you say to that, son?'
'Nothing,' the student replies.. 'I only have my faith.'
'Yes, faith,' the professor repeats. 'And that is the problem science has with God. There is no evidence...only faith.'
The student stands quietly for a moment, before asking a question of His own. 'Professor, is there such thing as heat? '
'Yes.
'And is there such a thing as cold?'
'Yes, son, there's cold too.'
'No sir, there isn't.'
The professor turns to face the student, obviously interested. The room suddenly becomes very quiet. The student begins to explain. 'You can have lots of heat, even more heat, super-heat, mega-heat, unlimited heat, white heat, a little heat or no heat, but we don't have anything called 'cold'. We can hit d own to 458 degrees below zero, which is no heat, but we can't go any further after that. There is no such thing as cold; otherwise we would be able to go colder than the lowest -458 degrees. Every body or object is susceptible to study when it has or transmits energy, and heat is what makes a body or matter have or transmit energy. Absolute zero (-458 F) is the total absence of heat. You see, sir, 'cold' is only a word we use to describe the absence of heat. We cannot measure cold. Heat we can measure in thermal units because heat is energy. Cold is not the opposite of heat, sir, just the absence of it.'
Silence across the room. A pen drops somewhere in the classroom, sounding like a hammer.
'What about darkness, professor. Is there such a thing as darkness?'
'Yes,' the professor replies without hesitation.. 'What is night if it isn't darkness?'
'You're wrong again, sir. Darkness is not something; it is the absence of something. You can have low light, normal light, bright light, flashing light, but if you have no light constantly you have nothing and it's called darkness, isn't it? That's the meaning we use to define the word. In reality, darkness isn't. If it were, you would be able to make darkness darker, wouldn't you?'
The professor begins to smile at the student in front of him. This will be a good semester. 'So what point are you making, young man?'
'Yes, professor. My point is, your philosophical premise is flawed to start with, and so your conclusion must also be flawed.'
The professor's face cannot hide his surprise this time. 'Flawed? Can you explain how?'
'You are working on the premise of duality,' the student explains.. 'You argue that there is life and then there's death; a good God and a bad God. You are viewing the concept of God as something finite, something we can measure. Sir, science can't even explain a thought. It uses electricity and magnetism, but it has never seen, much less fully understood either one. To view death as the opposite of life is to be ignorant of the fact that death cannot exist as a substantive thing. Death is not the opposite of life, just the absence of it.'

'Now tell me, professor.. Do you teach your students that they evolved from a monkey?'
'If you are referring to the natural evolutionary process, young man, yes, of course I do.'
'Have you ever observed evolution with your own eyes, sir?'
The professor begins to shake his head, still smiling, as he realizes where the argument is going. A very good semester, indeed.
'Since no one has ever observed the process of evolution at work and cannot even prove that this process is an on-going endeavor, are you not teaching your opinion, sir? Are you now not a scientist, but a preacher?'
The class is in uproar. The student remains silent until the commotion has subsided. 'To continue the point you were making earlier to the other student, let me give you an example of what I mean.' The student looks around the room. 'Is there anyone in the class who has ever seen the professor's brain?' The class breaks out into laughter. 'Is there anyone here who has ever heard the professor's brain, felt the professor's brain, touched or smelt the professor's brain? No one appears to have done so. So, according to the established rules of empirical, stable, demonstrable protocol, science says that you have no brain, with all due respect, sir.' 'So if science says you have no brain, how can we trust your lectures, sir?'
Now the room is silent. The professor just stares at the student, his face unreadable. Finally, after what seems an eternity, the old man answers. 'I guess you'll have to take them on faith.'
'Now, you accept that there is faith, and, in fact, faith exists with life,' the student continues. 'Now, sir, is there such a thing as evil?' Now uncertain, the professor responds, 'Of course, there is. We see it every day. It is in the daily example of man's inhumanity to man. It is in the multitude of crime and violence everywhere in the world. These manifestations are nothing else but evil.'
To this the student replied, 'Evil does not exist sir, or at least it does not exist unto itself. Evil is simply the absence of God. It is just like darkness and cold, a word that man has created to describe the absence of God. God did not create evil Evil is the result of what happens when man does not have God's love present in his heart. It's like the cold that comes when there is no heat or the darkness that comes when there is no light.'
The professor sat down.

The young man's name — Albert Einstein.

[Vedder]

untwa?paila lang kas imung pag ka ignorante! INVALID COMPARISON kana oi! pataka lang kag yawit!
ang pink unicorn ug flying elephant nimu..wala kanay logical ug philosophical basis..ergo, walay mutuo ana using logic and reason in this day of age.. pangita ug scientist nga mutuo ug pink unicorn?why scientist? because they're the type of people who uses their critical thinking extensively..
pero when it comes to God..ubay2x ang mga scientist nga mutuo ug Ginoo..
see the differnce? usapa na imung unicorn!

qouting by points ang tawag ana..grammar? way labut ang sentence construction aning dapita oi...pataka lang kag yawyaw..
angkon nalang nga wa kay ikatubag..di kay mag pasweto2x nga halata kaayong Blanko!


ay sus! giingnan ug panilhig na kay nagkalat imung utok...hoy! naminaw ka!
ay sig likay2x diha agta!
asa na ang proof nga evolution is not directed? asa na ang proof nfa 1 % ra sa actual population of scientists ang mutuo ug Ginoo..wa gihapun?
asa man akong gipangayo nimu nga part sa creation nga wala pulos?
wa naman kay rebuttal nga tarong..nag nga2x lang nang dagway nimu!

bugo? ikaw? aw di ko mu lalis ana..hahahaha
asa ka anang trial and error unya dili daw na random? LOL
unya walay order of things pero recognize ug natural law...nyahahaha!

fundamentals of evolution? where in the core idea of evolution explicitly concluded that God does not exist? ang mga tao ra ang nagcoin ana nga interpretation..and since ning apil2x man ka with that assertion..aw e-prove dayun that there is no guiding force behind evolution.. bonus question for you! where did the natural laws came from?

Bugoa jud oi, Naa pa kay pa philosophyx2 diha mura kag korek bugoa ka, nganung walay scientist na mu tuo ug pink unicorn? Kay walay relihiyon na mu tudlo na naay pink unicorn BUGOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOO

Ubayx2? Buot buot nasad kang bugoa ka mura jud kag korek baga kag nawong BUGOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO Gamay ra kaay na percentage sa mga scientists karon an mu tuo ug imaginary skyfairy, minority ra, kasagaran mga confused scientists na nangitag dali na tubag sa ilahang mga pangutana, gina-katw-an ra na sila sa Mainstream Scientific community BUGOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO murag ikaw gud, gina kataw-an ra nako diri hahahahaha BUGOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Kusog kaayo ka mu ingon ug "PROOF" "PROOF" pero wala jud kay proof sa imuhang imaginary friend, nganu man? KAY IMAGINARY RA MAN, BUGOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOO

hahahaha

[Vedder]

@noy bugoa ka, dapat ako mangita ug proof gikan sa imuha kay ikaw ang nag claim anang mga kabuang nimo

*Proof na an imaginary fairytale skyfairy directed the evolution
*Proof of an existence of an imaginary fairytale skyfairy

Ayaw cgeg likayx2 diha bugoa ka, tubaga!

[Jhared]

Natural Selection? although this seems rational. as everything was indeed laid over naturally..
but what is in QUESTION really is the ORDER OF THINGS? how everything compliments from one another..
from predators to prey, from plants to animals, animals to humans, humans to plants..yada yada yada...
how is it that despite the process is RANDOM, we get SPECIFIC RESULTS?

the process of evolution always yields specific results but not as perfect as you wish for it to be, like those finches in the galapagos who differed in their beaks depending on which island, because the diet in each island differed, like so the finches adopted inorder to survie, i.e., those finches on an island where the only food are seeds developed hard beaks, those finches on an island where the only food are pollen from flowers developed long pointed beaks to survive, yet when these finches are interchanged so that one should live to the other island and vice versa, these fiches cannot survive.. same is also true with koalas if you place them in a habitat that has no eucalyptus trees, they'd die.. etc..

this happened because of gradual evolution for a specific kind of environment, i do not concede that it is divinely directed thus perfect, it is more reasonable for me to believe that evolution of species are directed by the environment directly affecting it.. but human as we are, by looking at nature it is always tempting to assume that it is intelligently designed, i mean who wouldn't think that right?...

[brendomar]

duna may rason nganong mangamatay tong finches, of course dili tungod sa evolution but wala naman ang pagkaon nga ilang naandan kaonon. parehas ra gud na kung ang baboy imong ibutang sa darohan, dili na lamaw iyang makaon or ang kanding ba lamaw nay ilawg permi...diba mangamatay jud dili magdugay.

[Jhared]

duna may rason nganong mangamatay tong finches, of course dili tungod sa evolution but wala naman ang pagkaon nga ilang naandan kaonon. parehas ra gud na kung ang baboy imong ibutang sa darohan, dili na lamaw iyang makaon or ang kanding ba lamaw nay ilawg permi...diba mangamatay jud dili magdugay.

those finches, are of the same specie, biologically similar, ang beaks ray deperensya, in fact when studied closely, even their genetic structures are the same, just like bulldogs and chihuahuas, differing in physical appearance but are both dogs, thus in case of the finches, what one kind eats the other can eat also, because like i said they are biologically similar, so its not really the food that will kill them, but its their physical traits that will, as those finches with long pointed beaks cannot break the seeds, and those that have big hard beaks cannot gather pollen very effectively..

[noy]

the process of evolution always yields specific results but not as perfect as you wish for it to be, like those finches in the galapagos who differed in their beaks depending on which island, because the diet in each island differed, like so the finches adopted inorder to survie, i.e., those finches on an island where the only food are seeds developed hard beaks, those finches on an island where the only food are pollen from flowers developed long pointed beaks to survive, yet when these finches are interchanged so that one should live to the other island and vice versa, these fiches cannot survive.. same is also true with koalas if you place them in a habitat that has no eucalyptus trees, they'd die.. etc..

this happened because of gradual evolution for a specific kind of environment, i do not concede that it is divinely directed thus perfect, it is more reasonable for me to believe that evolution of species are directed by the environment directly affecting it..

bai, first of all salamat sa pag bisita at least naa jud intay tarong nga Atheist..hehehe..

by order of things i didn't mean wonderland..hehe,but order in its simplest possible form. like the example you gave on finches. the differences of their beaks is in accordance to the Law of Nature,despite of the fact that the evolutionary process is rather violent than smooth as the species would either evolve/adapt or die i still believe there is Order in it for it follows the natural law.
especially when we examine the end results.

mao bitaw as much as possible we shouldn't abuse nature because Nature as it is already has a process of sustaining creation and every single thing under that umbrella. we only need to follow what has been laid over naturally.
and that bai, is what amazes me.

but human as we are, by looking at nature it is always tempting to assume that it is intelligently designed, i mean who wouldn't think that right?...

Exactly, judging by the nature of things, anything that exists has a purpose. there must've been a reason behind this seemingly natural assumption.