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    Quote Originally Posted by FAQ View Post
    I think TS just taken the manager's words out of context. Maybe when greeting sa client has to be in Tagalog na, pero kung mag binisaya ang customer kay comfortable siya ana nga language, then mag binisaya pud ka. Formality lang ba.

    Just like in Montreal, every sales rep or waiters will greet you in French. But when they find out that you don't speak the language, they will talk to you in English. Ingon ana ra gud na.
    The official language in Canada are French and English. Montreal, if I'm not mistaken, is predominantly French-speaking.

    The official language of the Philippines is Filipino, which is based on Tagalog. However, the official language of business in the Philippines is English.

    So, if you want to do in Cebu what you do in Montreal, which language should you use?

    Yes, that's correct, use English. Then when customers talk to you in Bisaya, then speak Bisaya.

    Saying Cebuano/Bisaya is not a medium for business, is fair. But, that applies to Tagalog or Filipino as well.

    Also, Henry Sy (and so many other Taipans) hails from Cebu. I think if this gets to their level, that manager could be given the boot.

    What would be interesting though is what image is SM Appliance and SM in general want to project? An international company with 1 standard of language, or an international company with local sensibilities and therefore would tailor their methods according to the cities they operate in? Remember HSBC's motto?
    Quote Originally Posted by FAQ View Post
    I think TS just taken the manager's words out of context. Maybe when greeting sa client has to be in Tagalog na, pero kung mag binisaya ang customer kay comfortable siya ana nga language, then mag binisaya pud ka. Formality lang ba.

    Just like in Montreal, every sales rep or waiters will greet you in French. But when they find out that you don't speak the language, they will talk to you in English. Ingon ana ra gud na.

  2. #152
    Quote Originally Posted by firestarter View Post
    Mao bitaw akong ingon bro nga basaha as a whole ang post sa TS.

    Nganong moabot man ta sa Visayas ug Mindanao nga kabalo mo bisaya nga argument, nga ang atong gi istoryahan ang SM man sa Cebu..

    Cebu man, "unya pagamiton ug Tagalog kay dili pormal ang Bisaya.. " --- basaha ug sabta ang pasabot sa manager.

    Ang intent sa manager is I-eliminate ang bisaya nga dialect sa SM cebu kay DILI daw PORMAL. Mas gamiton ang Tagalog kay Pormal.

    Tanawa ug basaha ug tutuki ang iyang pasabot.

    Dili bana klaro sa first palang daan nga post.
    Ang akong punto bro, dili ra taga Cebu ang manuroy ug SM naa pod taga laing lugar.

    Sa akong pagtuo ang kana rang paggreet or limited ra sa empleyado. Kadugay na nga naay mag cge ug yaw2x diha sa SM magtinagawg. daghan man maminaw, naa dapit sa taas mag cge man gani na ug balik2x.

    Kaning ingon ani nga isyu dili naman ni dapat padak on tawn oi, pwd ra man inyong sabutan sa team, unya ipaabot sa inyong boss ang inyong concern.

    Sensitive ra kaayo ta, adjust2xsan nato ug gamay.

  3. #153
    Quote Originally Posted by FAQ View Post
    Just like in Montreal, every sales rep or waiters will greet you in French. But when they find out that you don't speak the language, they will talk to you in English. Ingon ana ra gud na.
    That makes sense because there is a huge majority of French-speaking people in Montreal.

    Otherwise, here in Cebu, a huge majority of the people speak Cebuano. Not Tagalog.

    Quote Originally Posted by firestarter View Post
    Obviously you did not backread..
    He's Ilonggo, that's why. Common trait of Ilonggos is being lazy. Ginatapol siya eh.

  4. #154
    Quote Originally Posted by firestarter View Post
    Obviously you did not backread..

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    Mao ba bro? lol..

    Naglisod man gani pangita trabaho Quit na nuon.. ok ra tingale na nimo kay naa kay imong companya.. what about aning mga tawhana nga maglisod gani ug pangita trabaho, unya mag sige pagka end of contract mangita na pud lain..

    sayon ra istoryahon bro, pero it's not that easy to do.
    Ang empleyado na diay ang masunod bro? mgalisod pangita ug trabaho pero maghimo ug ilang balaod. mao ng daghan kaayong way trabaho nga pinoy bro kay gusto maghimo ug ilang balaod. naunsa naman tawn ta ani bro.

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    kung zombie ko bsag kron lang adalawa, di ko na kan-on c Wilson Uy ui,kay wa mnay UTOK.hehehe....unsa pud kha nuh balihon, kay la may naa sa cebu,pa-bisayaon pud nto cla, unsa kha?agas dugo sa tbuok nawng cguro.tsk tsk

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crinkles11 View Post
    Ang akong punto bro, dili ra taga Cebu ang manuroy ug SM naa pod taga laing lugar.

    Sa akong pagtuo ang kana rang paggreet or limited ra sa empleyado. Kadugay na nga naay mag cge ug yaw2x diha sa SM magtinagawg. daghan man maminaw, naa dapit sa taas mag cge man gani na ug balik2x.

    Kaning ingon ani nga isyu dili naman ni dapat padak on tawn oi, pwd ra man inyong sabutan sa team, unya ipaabot sa inyong boss ang inyong concern.

    Sensitive ra kaayo ta, adjust2xsan nato ug gamay.
    Aw ok raman na bro.. kay dili lage na nimo ma feel kay naa naman ka diha and earning chinese whatever karensi ang naa diha..

    Pero if ikaw cebuano ka., ingnon kas imong amo nga tagalog nga

    Pagtinagalog kay dili pormal pakinggan ang bisaya..


    Sensitive bitaw bro.. Pero sensitive raman pud ko kung ang akong mothertongue ang birahan to the point of it being an insult .

    . kay dili daw pormal paminawon.. sakit pud baya gamay.. pero gamay lang.. tsk2x.

    Ambot lang pud kaha bro, kung ikaw naa ka diha sa China karon, ingnon kag amo nimo nga tagalog nga ayaw pagcebuano pag tinagalog kay dili na pormal ang inyong dialect.. hindi maganda pakinggan..

    Ambot lang ug dili mo bagting imong dunggan..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crinkles11 View Post
    Ang empleyado na diay ang masunod bro? mgalisod pangita ug trabaho pero maghimo ug ilang balaod. mao ng daghan kaayong way trabaho nga pinoy bro kay gusto maghimo ug ilang balaod. naunsa naman tawn ta ani bro.
    huh!?

    You are finding fault to my answer to a different question...

    Don't play cat and mouse bro.. Ligas paka ta ana..

    Rhetorical question "Ang empleyado na diay ang masunod bro?" ....

    Kinsa may naghimo ug balaud bro? lol
    Last edited by firestarter; 09-25-2014 at 03:17 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RenDLC View Post
    OT: Tagalog language - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    reading some of the posts...mao ni lisud sa aton mga pinoy...dali masuko while remaining ignorant..."Filipino" is the language you hear in TV etc....Tagalog is a dialect like Bisaya/Hiligaynon/Ilocano/Kapampangan....syempre kahibaw kamo mag.Filipino since it's a standardized language like English

    sa Japan naa standardized Japanese...why? coz naa mga dialects like Kansi and Hiroshima...so some words are not the same(pretty much like ours, but they created a standardized one)...and like Filipino, it only uses Tagalog as a basis with words from other dialects included... :P


    OnT: as per company policy na yan....paghimo mo own company daw....but it's a wrong move for them, they should utilize whatever language deemed convenient for their communication with their client---IN THIS CASE, Bisaya if Bisaya sad ang customer...Filipino if dili Bisaya(Ilonggo ako :P)...English if expat or foreigner... :P
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  8. #158
    Quote Originally Posted by firestarter View Post
    Aw ok raman na bro.. kay dili lage na nimo ma feel kay naa naman ka diha and earning chinese whatever karensi ang naa diha..

    Pero if ikaw cebuano ka., ingnon kas imong amo nga tagalog nga

    Pagtinagalog kay dili pormal pakinggan ang bisaya..


    Sensitive bitaw bro.. Pero sensitive raman pud ko kung ang akong mothertongue ang birahan to the point of it being an insult .

    . kay dili daw pormal paminawon.. sakit pud baya gamay.. pero gamay lang.. tsk2x.

    Ambot lang pud kaha bro, kung ikaw naa ka diha sa China karon, ingnon kag amo nimo nga tagalog nga ayaw pagcebuano pag tinagalog kay dili na pormal ang inyong dialect.. hindi maganda pakinggan..

    Ambot lang ug dili mo bagting imong dunggan..
    Naay panahon bro ang taw makasulti ug bati or medyo lain lang ang pagkadeliver sa iyang istorya. Dili sa tanang panahon or mga ginagmay nga butang imo ng patulan.

    Dugay gyud nakong praktis bro pagpataas sa akong pasensya, paubos lang gud, way mawala nato.

    Mga tagalog namong kauban sauna (UAE) ingnan mi nga malingaw daw sila maminaw namong mga bisaya kay moistorya murag langgam. Diri pod, naa poy ubang insik ingon pod nga murag mig naa sa mercado kay alingisig kaayo daw paminawn. hahaha

    Tingsi ray katapat ana bro, ipaagi ra na ug komedya lingaw pa ka.

    Bitaw naa gyuy ubang taw nga wala kabalo nga nakapasakit na diay sila sa uban, ikaw nalay sabot nila.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crinkles11 View Post
    Naay panahon bro ang taw makasulti ug bati or medyo lain lang ang pagkadeliver sa iyang istorya. Dili sa tanang panahon or mga ginagmay nga butang imo ng patulan.

    Dugay gyud nakong praktis bro pagpataas sa akong pasensya, paubos lang gud, way mawala nato.

    Mga tagalog namong kauban sauna (UAE) ingnan mi nga malingaw daw sila maminaw namong mga bisaya kay moistorya murag langgam. Diri pod, naa poy ubang insik ingon pod nga murag mig naa sa mercado kay alingisig kaayo daw paminawn. hahaha

    Tingsi ray katapat ana bro, ipaagi ra na ug komedya lingaw pa ka.

    Bitaw naa gyuy ubang taw nga wala kabalo nga nakapasakit na diay sila sa uban, ikaw nalay sabot nila.
    lol.. mahimuot man ko nimo bro..

    Obviously naay nindot nahitabo nimo karon.. maong cool ra kaayo ka..

    Anyway dili man ta magdaug ani..

    Ang ako lang gyud.. lain pagkadeliver sa iya as manager, kung wala man gani siya intention to discredit and discreminate..

    Hindi magandang pakinggan.. lol ...
    Hindi pormal ... ---

    Nahala mag barong tagalog ug mag rubber shoes.. para pormal unya hindi magandang pakinggan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fretburner View Post
    The official language in Canada are French and English. Montreal, if I'm not mistaken, is predominantly French-speaking.

    The official language of the Philippines is Filipino, which is based on Tagalog. However, the official language of business in the Philippines is English.

    So, if you want to do in Cebu what you do in Montreal, which language should you use?

    Yes, that's correct, use English. Then when customers talk to you in Bisaya, then speak Bisaya.

    Saying Cebuano/Bisaya is not a medium for business, is fair. But, that applies to Tagalog or Filipino as well.

    Also, Henry Sy (and so many other Taipans) hails from Cebu. I think if this gets to their level, that manager could be given the boot.

    What would be interesting though is what image is SM Appliance and SM in general want to project? An international company with 1 standard of language, or an international company with local sensibilities and therefore would tailor their methods according to the cities they operate in? Remember HSBC's motto?
    Quote Originally Posted by littlebigplanet View Post
    That makes sense because there is a huge majority of French-speaking people in Montreal.

    Otherwise, here in Cebu, a huge majority of the people speak Cebuano. Not Tagalog.
    That's right, majority of people living in Cebu speak Bisaya. But maybe what the manager told his employees is to use Tagalog in a formal situations such as introducing yourself or greeting to a customer instead of Bisaya. It's not a big deal since Bisayas are polyglots. As long as the manager didn't say nga not allowed ang bisaya, naa na nay issue kay against man na sa Philippine Constitution kung ingon ana ang dagan.

    They have a Charter of French Language in Quebec stating that French is the official language in the province. But in Cebu, there's no charter from the Capitol stating Bisaya should be the official language in Cebu. It's up to SM kung ingon ana ila policy to speak tagalog, kung sila mawad-an ug customers tungod ana, then ilaha pud ra na problema. Adto na lang tingale sa Gillamac basin wala silay policy nga tagalogon mo didto.

    I'm starting to believe this thread is just meant to throw flame on the sensitivity of ethnic conflicts between Tagalogs vs Bisayas. Pa start ra ni og tigaw ning thread, murag baws sa thread pud didto sa tagalog forum regarding sa stereotype sa mga Cebuanos didtos Manila.

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