Muscle Building and Fat Loss

[Xenoxorph]

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@onig.heck.
creatine is probably the only guaranteed supplement that works for EVERYONE. just because we create it in our body and we get it from meat. i'm not saying other supplements don't work but it's really a hit or miss. every one's body reacts differently. it's an athetletic enhancer. it takes about 1-2 months to start working though.
do a quick google search on creatine. you'll find all the info. too many to lists. hehe.

Not everyone responds to creatine supplementation. They may already have high levels of phosphocreatine that supplementing with creatine will no longer saturate their muscles more. Another factor could be they are type I muscle fiber dominant. Type I muscle fibers do not use PCr as an energy source and therefore, cannot utilize it.

Acute creatine monohydrate supplementati... [J Strength Cond Res. 2004] - PubMed - NCBI
Creatine supplementation: exploring the r... [Can J Appl Physiol. 2001] - PubMed - NCBI

Although the above studies doesn't mention much, PUBMED categorized their subjects as Responders and Non-Responders. It is widely known that a minority of the population(about 20%) does not respond to creatine supplementation

[jaeahr]

wow sir @jaeahr! Very impressive transformation you have there. Inspiring.

If I may ask though, how heavy are you lifting now compared to your 1st week?

i only track 3 exercises as far as "weight" is considered. dead lift, bench press, and squat.

feb 15
deadlift 3x8 = 130 lbs
squat 5x5 = 120 lbs
bench press 2x2 + 1x drop set until failure = 100

april 16
deadlift 3x8 = 211 lbs
squat 5x5 = 167 lbs
bench press 2x2 + 1x drop set until failure = 125 lbs


despite joining the gym feb 6. didn't actually start going until after valentine's day. LOL. from february 15-march 7. i was on a caloric deficit. low carbs. etc. pretty bad idea. worst idea ever. if i continued on this path i would of looked like a Somali pirate. i am SO GLAD i was introduced to bulking. and i can't wait until i start cutting

march 7 i started clean bulking. from that point on due to all the carbs + healthy weight gain i add weight almost regularly. although i always take my joints due to arthritis always as a priority. even though i know i can probably lift more. i don't want anything at all happening to my joints. on another note - the only downside of my body besides the hereditary genetic diseases is i have VERY POOR upper body genetics. especially in the chest and biceps.

HERE'S A BIG SECRET that will blow your mind though. THE "WEIGHT" that someone lifts is almost 99.9% COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT.

if anyone on this forum can tell me the reason i will give them so much training respect <3 i already know the answer i'm just hoping someone could chime in before i say it. i get so motivated when people are well educated in the hobby/career/goals/etc they are pursuing. it means they put in the effort not only physically. but mentally and spiritually too.


people notice how "big" i am now in the gym compared to before. but are completely shocked/talk crap when i only use 20 lb - 30 lb dumb bells during my bicep days. or why i can't bench press 135 lbs


please compare with my before pics and current. and how much muscle i put on just using 15 lb dumb bells and now 25-30 dumb bells for my bicep exercises.

April 15, 2014


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Not everyone responds to creatine supplementation. They may already have high levels of phosphocreatine that supplementing with creatine will no longer saturate their muscles more. Another factor could be they are type I muscle fiber dominant. Type I muscle fibers do not use PCr as an energy source and therefore, cannot utilize it.

Acute creatine monohydrate supplementati... [J Strength Cond Res. 2004] - PubMed - NCBI
Creatine supplementation: exploring the r... [Can J Appl Physiol. 2001] - PubMed - NCBI

Although the above studies doesn't mention much, PUBMED categorized their subjects as Responders and Non-Responders. It is widely known that a minority of the population(about 20%) does not respond to creatine supplementation

actually. yeah i'll definitely have to agree to that. i guess my "EVERYONE" statement was rather exaggerated. based on the data you've given it still equates that 80% of the population does benefit from creatine. which is a HUGE % compared to any other supplement. which was originally my point. hehe - i did say probably =P

300g of creatine will cost 800-1K PHP. which is roughly a 2 month supply. compared to any other supplement this is the best bang for your buck with high % chance of working. PLUS finding out whether or not it does work for your body. big shoutout to @wisechoice for selling me my first tub of creatine. will never forget that.

[Xenoxorph]

i only track 3 exercises as far as "weight" is considered. dead lift, bench press, and squat.

feb 15
deadlift 3x8 = 130 lbs
squat 5x5 = 120 lbs
bench press 2x2 + 1x drop set until failure = 100

april 16
deadlift 3x8 = 211 lbs
squat 5x5 = 167 lbs
bench press 2x2 + 1x drop set until failure = 125 lbs


despite joining the gym feb 6. didn't actually start going until after valentine's day. LOL. from february 15-march 7. i was on a caloric deficit. low carbs. etc. pretty bad idea. worst idea ever. if i continued on this path i would of looked like a Somali pirate. i am SO GLAD i was introduced to bulking. and i can't wait until i start cutting

march 7 i started clean bulking. from that point on due to all the carbs + healthy weight gain i add weight almost regularly. although i always take my joints due to arthritis always as a priority. even though i know i can probably lift more. i don't want anything at all happening to my joints. on another note - the only downside of my body besides the hereditary genetic diseases is i have VERY POOR upper body genetics. especially in the chest and biceps.

HERE'S A BIG SECRET that will blow your mind though. THE "WEIGHT" that someone lifts is almost 99.9% COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT.

if anyone on this forum can tell me the reason i will give them so much training respect <3 i already know the answer i'm just hoping someone could chime in before i say it. i get so motivated when people are well educated in the hobby/career/goals/etc they are pursuing. it means they put in the effort not only physically. but mentally and spiritually too.


people notice how "big" i am now in the gym compared to before. but are completely shocked/talk crap when i only use 20 lb - 30 lb dumb bells during my bicep days. or why i can't bench press 135 lbs


please compare with my before pics and current. and how much muscle i put on just using 15 lb dumb bells and now 25-30 dumb bells for my bicep exercises.

April 15, 2014


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actually. yeah i'll definitely have to agree to that. i guess my "EVERYONE" statement was rather exaggerated. based on the data you've given it still equates that 80% of the population does benefit from creatine. which is a HUGE % compared to any other supplement. which was originally my point. hehe - i did say probably =P

300g of creatine will cost 800-1K PHP. which is roughly a 2 month supply. compared to any other supplement this is the best bang for your buck with high % chance of working. PLUS finding out whether or not it does work for your body. big shoutout to @wisechoice for selling me my first tub of creatine. will never forget that.

Sad to say, i did try creatine 3yrs ago and did not respond. 3 years after, here i am trying it for the 2nd time!

[jaeahr]

Sad to say, i did try creatine 3yrs ago and did not respond. 3 years after, here i am trying it for the 2nd time!

how long were you taking it for @Xenoxorph? and how many mg per day? do you know where the creatine was coming from? country wise. or rather specifically what brand are you taking? but you already seem well versed in supplements so they only account for 5-10% [ 15%] at most of "gains". not that important. it's probably the only reason why i only take creatine as opposed to anything else.

good luck on your 2nd try though.

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also forgot to ask how did you know whether or not it worked for you? i'm not sure what people usually do [ only been taking creatine for 2 months ] but since i'm diabetic i have to take a diabetic panel test every 2-3 months. one of the blood work that is in included during these numerous tests is a CREATININE levels check which shows the levels of creatine phosphate broken down in the muscles/body.

i had taken a diabetic panel before i started working out. sometime in late january and took one fairly recently. started taking creatine around valentine's day. my reports showed increased creatinine levels.

[Xenoxorph]

how long were you taking it for @Xenoxorph? and how many mg per day? do you know where the creatine was coming from? country wise. or rather specifically what brand are you taking? but you already seem well versed in supplements so they only account for 5-10% [ 15%] at most of "gains". not that important. it's probably the only reason why i only take creatine as opposed to anything else.

good luck on your 2nd try though.

EDIT:
also forgot to ask how did you know whether or not it worked for you? i'm not sure what people usually do [ only been taking creatine for 2 months ] but since i'm diabetic i have to take a diabetic panel test every 2-3 months. one of the blood work that is in included during these numerous tests is a CREATININE levels check which shows the levels of creatine phosphate broken down in the muscles/body.

i had taken a diabetic panel before i started working out. sometime in late january and took one fairly recently. started taking creatine around valentine's day. my reports showed increased creatinine levels.

During my first attempt to supplement myself with creatine, i nearly finished my 1kg tub of Dymatize Creatine Monohydrate. I think around 5 months of 5g/day. I was doing HIIT training all through out :/. This time i'm using Micronized Creatine mono by ON. This looks easier to breakdown and absorb since its finer than the dymatize one. Both are from reputable companies. I probably had high preload PCr levels for all i know. 3 years after, lets see how it works out. I'm still on my 2nd week. No loading, just 5g a day.

I based it on performance. I was a sprint athlete back then. Although i did improve, i credited on my training rather on the supplementation. No signs of water retention, no increased recovery time, no increase in anaerobic endurance(PCr energy pathway) so i concluded, i did not respond haha

[Doge]

how long were you taking it for @Xenoxorph? and how many mg per day? do you know where the creatine was coming from? country wise. or rather specifically what brand are you taking? but you already seem well versed in supplements so they only account for 5-10% [ 15%] at most of "gains". not that important. it's probably the only reason why i only take creatine as opposed to anything else.

good luck on your 2nd try though.

EDIT:
also forgot to ask how did you know whether or not it worked for you? i'm not sure what people usually do [ only been taking creatine for 2 months ] but since i'm diabetic i have to take a diabetic panel test every 2-3 months. one of the blood work that is in included during these numerous tests is a CREATININE levels check which shows the levels of creatine phosphate broken down in the muscles/body.

i had taken a diabetic panel before i started working out. sometime in late january and took one fairly recently. started taking creatine around valentine's day. my reports showed increased creatinine levels.

sir powder form nga creatine imo or katong capsules?

[jmpgarcia02]

Bro asa man maka palit aning creatine? Mao ba na ang ON Creatine 2500 mg. imo gi inom?wala ba ni sya side effects?

[Xenoxorph]

[QUOTE=jaeahr;16300524]
HERE'S A BIG SECRET that will blow your mind though. THE "WEIGHT" that someone lifts is almost 99.9% COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT.
/QUOTE]

This is in relation to bodybuilding or how you look i assume? The amount you lift doesn't matter if you're all about bodybuilding or just being healthy in general. Since the amount you lift doesn't necessarily mean you're a big person. It just probably means your CNS is very efficient in recruiting motor units for maximal contraction. We all have different goals after all.


A strength athlete can also say, the way that someone looks is completely irrelevant as long as he/she can lift heavy.

As for me, I am strength athlete. So, the weight i lift is very much relevant to my goals, just not relevant if i was bodybuilding.

In short, its not entirely irrelevant. Probably just irrelevant to someone's goal.
As what my friend always say, "To each his own"

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sir powder form nga creatine imo or katong capsules?

Powder. Taking 5g worth of creatine in capsules would mean A LOT of swallowing.

It's actually also cheaper if you buy it in powder vs capsule. Amount of creatine:Price ratio

[jaeahr]

[QUOTE=Xenoxorph;16302055]

HERE'S A BIG SECRET that will blow your mind though. THE "WEIGHT" that someone lifts is almost 99.9% COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT.
/QUOTE]

This is in relation to bodybuilding or how you look i assume? The amount you lift doesn't matter if you're all about bodybuilding or just being healthy in general. Since the amount you lift doesn't necessarily mean you're a big person. It just probably means your CNS is very efficient in recruiting motor units for maximal contraction. We all have different goals after all.


A strength athlete can also say, the way that someone looks is completely irrelevant as long as he/she can lift heavy.

As for me, I am strength athlete. So, the weight i lift is very much relevant to my goals, just not relevant if i was bodybuilding.

In short, its not entirely irrelevant. Probably just irrelevant to someone's goal.
As what my friend always say, "To each his own"

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Powder. Taking 5g worth of creatine in capsules would mean A LOT of swallowing.

It's actually also cheaper if you buy it in powder vs capsule. Amount of creatine:Price ratio

i guess the angle you chose is correct too. i can agree to that - especially the "depending on your goals" . most of the stuff i recommend or do myself in practice is something that works for the general population. from the general standpoint or rather focused on the topic thread. muscle building. as long as the muscle is being challenged. it will grow - regardless of weight.

i took Mutant Creakong for creatine. it's what the owner of wisechoice suggested i get. same dosage. 5g a day. i recently ran out and my brother came to visit me here in Cebu and brought with him 2.5 KG of ON micro creatine powder for 1800 PHP so yeah. i can't complain. can't go wrong with ON products.

regardless of creatine type / brand. it's really hard to saturate in water. almost impossible. personally i take my scooper. fill it up with 5g. throw it inside my mouth. then drink a bunch of water.


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sir powder form nga creatine imo or katong capsules?

powder. like @Xenoxorph said. powder is way cheaper.

[Cyrenz]

i only track 3 exercises as far as "weight" is considered. dead lift, bench press, and squat.

feb 15
deadlift 3x8 = 130 lbs
squat 5x5 = 120 lbs
bench press 2x2 + 1x drop set until failure = 100

april 16
deadlift 3x8 = 211 lbs
squat 5x5 = 167 lbs
bench press 2x2 + 1x drop set until failure = 125 lbs


despite joining the gym feb 6. didn't actually start going until after valentine's day. LOL. from february 15-march 7. i was on a caloric deficit. low carbs. etc. pretty bad idea. worst idea ever. if i continued on this path i would of looked like a Somali pirate. i am SO GLAD i was introduced to bulking. and i can't wait until i start cutting

march 7 i started clean bulking. from that point on due to all the carbs + healthy weight gain i add weight almost regularly. although i always take my joints due to arthritis always as a priority. even though i know i can probably lift more. i don't want anything at all happening to my joints. on another note - the only downside of my body besides the hereditary genetic diseases is i have VERY POOR upper body genetics. especially in the chest and biceps.

HERE'S A BIG SECRET that will blow your mind though. THE "WEIGHT" that someone lifts is almost 99.9% COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT.

if anyone on this forum can tell me the reason i will give them so much training respect <3 i already know the answer i'm just hoping someone could chime in before i say it. i get so motivated when people are well educated in the hobby/career/goals/etc they are pursuing. it means they put in the effort not only physically. but mentally and spiritually too.


people notice how "big" i am now in the gym compared to before. but are completely shocked/talk crap when i only use 20 lb - 30 lb dumb bells during my bicep days. or why i can't bench press 135 lbs


please compare with my before pics and current. and how much muscle i put on just using 15 lb dumb bells and now 25-30 dumb bells for my bicep exercises.

April 15, 2014


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actually. yeah i'll definitely have to agree to that. i guess my "EVERYONE" statement was rather exaggerated. based on the data you've given it still equates that 80% of the population does benefit from creatine. which is a HUGE % compared to any other supplement. which was originally my point. hehe - i did say probably =P

300g of creatine will cost 800-1K PHP. which is roughly a 2 month supply. compared to any other supplement this is the best bang for your buck with high % chance of working. PLUS finding out whether or not it does work for your body. big shoutout to @wisechoice for selling me my first tub of creatine. will never forget that.

paytera sa imo transformation bai oi, in less than 3 months lang. Care to share your training routine, macro breakdown etc? Also, your statement "THE "WEIGHT" that someone lifts is almost 99.9% COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT. " Unsa pasabot nimo ani bai? share pud para namo mga newbies para makat-on pud tawn mi. Thanks in advance