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    Quote Originally Posted by redemption32 View Post
    Look, Bai Nefarian, I know where you stand. You're against corruption. I am too. And so are the rest of the posters here.
    And I think you're smart, I really do. But you shouldn't drop your logic and let emotions rule.

    We hate Napoles.
    But it's unfair to hate the people that are working for her now.
    Mind you, they are not working with Napoles on the scam.
    They're just providing her representation on the courts.
    A right that you and I have.
    If it's not Atty Villamor, it's someone else.
    Someone else has to do that job.

    You say that it's a choice to accept the case or not.
    What if every lawyer takes the moral high ground and declines the case?
    What would you want to happen?
    Have Napoles defend herself?
    Or should we just throw her in Jail without a trial?

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    In-ani imong pasabot nga imong basahon balik para di ka maka provoke ug tao like questioning his/her intelligence?

    Well, I think you dropped the ball on this one.
    exactly the point.. and Clavio, however enraged he is with Napoles, he does not have the right to take it on Atty Villamor.

    And again, Clavio made a mistake! It was very unbecoming of a media man! Anyone else who acted the way he did or will act the same way will still be WRONG!

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    Quote Originally Posted by redemption32 View Post
    Look, Bai Nefarian, I know where you stand. You're against corruption. I am too. And so are the rest of the posters here.
    And I think you're smart, I really do. But you shouldn't drop your logic and let emotions rule.

    We hate Napoles.
    But it's unfair to hate the people that are working for her now.
    Mind you, they are not working with Napoles on the scam.
    They're just providing her representation on the courts.
    A right that you and I have.
    If it's not Atty Villamor, it's someone else.
    Someone else has to do that job.

    You say that it's a choice to accept the case or not.
    What if every lawyer takes the moral high ground and declines the case?
    What would you want to happen?
    Have Napoles defend herself?
    Or should we just throw her in Jail without a trial?
    A lawyer who accepts Napoles case is in it for the money or "utang na loob" period. I heard Villamor and Napoles knows each other for a long time so the "utang na loob" is somewhat(IMO) a factor there.

    When no one will accept the plunder case for Napoles then she has the right to acquire one. That's why we have the Public Attorney's Office(PAO).

    But there is a difference between a lawyer who chose to accept Napoles case and a lawyer assign to her through PAO. I will not hate the PAO lawyers because it is not of their own choosing. Napoles can select from the lists of PAO lawyers.

    But then Like I said accepting/declining a case is a CHOICE between money and your principle.
    Last edited by Nefarian; 11-07-2013 at 01:11 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by redemption32 View Post






    In-ani imong pasabot nga imong basahon balik para di ka maka provoke ug tao like questioning his/her intelligence?

    Well, I think you dropped the ball on this one.
    Haha ok sorry po. I just returned the ball to him. Anyway it's a mistake.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nefarian View Post
    A lawyer who accepts Napoles case is in it for the money or "utang na loob" period. I heard Villamor and Napoles knows each other for a long time so the "utang na loob" is somewhat(IMO) a factor there.

    When no one will accept the plunder case for Napoles then she has the right to acquire one. That's why we have the Public Attorney's Office(PAO).

    But there is a difference between a lawyer who chose to accept Napoles case and a lawyer assign to her through PAO. I will not hate the PAO lawyers because it is not of their own choosing. Like I said accepting/declining a case is a CHOICE between money and your principle.
    But then, it's an abuse of the system.

    The PAO exists to provide the indigent litigants, the oppressed, marginalized and underprivileged members of the society free access to courts, judicial and quasi-judicial agencies, by rendering legal services, counselling and assistance in consonance with the Constitutional mandate that “free access to courts shall not be denied to any person by reason of poverty” in order to ensure the rule of law, truth and social justice as components of the country’s sustainable development.

    Asa man ni qualify si Janet Lim Napoles ana?

    Limited nah gani kaau ang capabilities sa PAO to help the indigents, imu pang tagaan ug pwerteng dakoa nga kaso sama kang Napoles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by redemption32 View Post
    But then, it's an abuse of the system.

    The PAO exists to provide the indigent litigants, the oppressed, marginalized and underprivileged members of the society free access to courts, judicial and quasi-judicial agencies, by rendering legal services, counselling and assistance in consonance with the Constitutional mandate that “free access to courts shall not be denied to any person by reason of poverty” in order to ensure the rule of law, truth and social justice as components of the country’s sustainable development.

    Asa man ni qualify si Janet Lim Napoles ana?

    Limited nah gani kaau ang capabilities sa PAO to help the indigents, imu pang tagaan ug pwerteng dakoa nga kaso sama kang Napoles.
    Napoles will be represented by PAO lawyers this Thursday(Senate Blue Ribbon) kay walay ni represent niya sa plunder case. But she can refuse it if she wants to. Pero at least kibaw na siya gi offeran siya sa state aron walay reklamo pohon sa iyang rights.

    Dili sad nato ma blame ngano wala pay replacement lawyer nga nakita si Napoles para sa plunder case niya. Basin siguro nangahadlok sila buthan sa tawo or wala nay kwarta si Napoles ikabayad. IMO.
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    Quote Originally Posted by redemption32 View Post
    But then, it's an abuse of the system.

    The PAO exists to provide the indigent litigants, the oppressed, marginalized and underprivileged members of the society free access to courts, judicial and quasi-judicial agencies, by rendering legal services, counselling and assistance in consonance with the Constitutional mandate that “free access to courts shall not be denied to any person by reason of poverty” in order to ensure the rule of law, truth and social justice as components of the country’s sustainable development.

    Asa man ni qualify si Janet Lim Napoles ana?

    Limited nah gani kaau ang capabilities sa PAO to help the indigents, imu pang tagaan ug pwerteng dakoa nga kaso sama kang Napoles.
    mao nga palabana lang siya ni Arn2x.. hahay balik2x.. ikot2x.. ra ta ana niya.. a person who has chosen a stand however wrong or flawed it may be,basta gahi jud og ulo, mu-stick ra jud na siya sa iyang gusto.

    Pride. daghan nangadaut ani! lupig pay shabu ang tama!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nefarian View Post
    Napoles will be represented by PAO lawyers this Thursday(Senate Blue Ribbon) kay walay ni represent niya sa plunder case. But she can refuse it if she wants to. Pero at least kibaw na siya gi offeran siya sa state aron walay reklamo pohon sa iyang rights.
    My bad. Under the PAO Law: In the exigency of the service, the PAO may be called upon by proper government authorities to render such service to other persons, subject to existing laws, rules and regulations.”

    However, the PAO could still decline a case provided: "On the other hand, a case is deemed unmeritorious if it appears that it has no chance of success, or is intended merely to harass or injure the opposite party or to work oppression or wrong. In such situation, the Public Attorney must decline the handling of the case."

    If the PAO lawyers think that she's really guilty and thus the intention is "to work oppression or wrong", then PAO can still decline.
    They have as much choice as the private lawyers.

    Edited:

    Also, PAO was only required by the Senate Blue Ribbon Committee to provide legal counsel to JLN in the exigency of service. Tungod kay immediate ang need, mao nang naa ang PAO, pero dili nagpasabot nga sila najud ang mag represent ni JLN all throughout.
    Last edited by redemption32; 11-07-2013 at 01:31 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by judge3ni View Post
    exactly the point.. and Clavio, however enraged he is with Napoles, he does not have the right to take it on Atty Villamor.

    And again, Clavio made a mistake! It was very unbecoming of a media man! Anyone else who acted the way he did or will act the same way will still be WRONG!
    very will said....Clavio's approach towards Atty Villamor was so unproffessional..

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    Clearly, Clavio was very unprofessional. No questions about that.

    And to the istoryan member trying to insist that his opinion is acceptable, why not accept the fact that you are sooo sooo wrong? The more you talk the more you make your argument pointless kay sige ra ka ug tuyok tuyok.

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    Quote Originally Posted by esiuol View Post
    Clearly, Clavio was very unprofessional. No questions about that.

    And to the istoryan member trying to insist that his opinion is acceptable, why not accept the fact that you are sooo sooo wrong? The more you talk the more you make your argument pointless kay sige ra ka ug tuyok tuyok.
    LOL nganli diretso ng istoryan imo pasabot miss kay atong isulod sako paasuhan. An opinion is an opinion a fact is a fact. No distinction between there hehe.
    Last edited by Nefarian; 11-07-2013 at 03:40 AM.

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