Online Signature Campaign(abolish pork barrel of any name/form)

[æRLO]

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discretionary funds are generally okay if you minimize corruption as a factor. Otherwise, in Filipino context, it only allows for taxpayers' money to pass through hands unnecessarily.

[simoncpu]

Asking the government to abolish the pork barrel is like asking a robber to shoot you with a more efficient gun. Abolish the government and/or income taxes instead of just abolishing the pork barrel! Why is the productive middle class being forced to pay for social services on behalf of unproductive citizens? :-/

[elvandesantos]

Get rid of PDAF and DAP. Don't allow legislators to control the budget.

Make a process where LGUs will be the ones directly asking for budget releases from DBM or its equivalent. This will then be reviewed by a civilian agency who are experts in their fields but they will only be consulting/advisory group. The implementation of the project should then be carried out by an operation that is 50% gov't/50% private to be overseen by the civilian agency.

So you have three different groups of people with three different interests overlooking how taxes are spent.

in doctors cases, too much hand on the operating room means too much chances sterility is voided. And some cases (too much delay on operation/or projects)

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Asking the government to abolish the pork barrel is like asking a robber to shoot you with a more efficient gun. Abolish the government and/or income taxes instead of just abolishing the pork barrel! Why is the productive middle class being forced to pay for social services on behalf of unproductive citizens? :-/

Sadly true, but government is for the "people" rich or poor. It does not categorize unproductive or not for qualifications on social services.

[M.A.D.]

Hmm... apparently your analogy does not apply here, there is opportunity cost in delayed project however in the medical profession the risk is higher since it involves the life/health of a person. We have delayed projects every time, but with a new system this will be delayed initially but when it finally gets going things will become efficient.

My point is to minimize if not eliminate the influence of government and politicians and let infrastructures for the people represented by civilian experts have the last say on the matter. We should be strict, ethical, and harsh when it comes to violations of interests.

Unfortunately, we have been too sheltered from best practices from the outside world that it will take quite a long time for people to understand how things should run. Initially it is a good idea to bring in some foreign professionals to train us how to run things the right way. We were never given enough training after we called for independence. Such a sorry state of affairs.

in doctors cases, too much hand on the operating room means too much chances sterility is voided. And some cases (too much delay on operation/or projects)

[ghostie2472]

Asking the government to abolish the pork barrel is like asking a robber to shoot you with a more efficient gun. Abolish the government and/or income taxes instead of just abolishing the pork barrel! Why is the productive middle class being forced to pay for social services on behalf of unproductive citizens? :-/

On the other hand, let us not forget that there are those who earn so much yet pay very little taxes while those who are earning less are paying huge amount of taxes. Doctors, Engineers and other professions pay less tax while Public Teachers and other "productive middle class" are shouldering the burden. Almost 2k a month tax for 10k salary anyone? I personally don't mind "shouldering the burden for the unproductive citizens" as long as my hard earned money REALLY goes to helping those citizens and not going to someone's bank account.

Get rid of PDAF and DAP. Don't allow legislators to control the budget.

Make a process where LGUs will be the ones directly asking for budget releases from DBM or its equivalent. This will then be reviewed by a civilian agency who are experts in their fields but they will only be consulting/advisory group. The implementation of the project should then be carried out by an operation that is 50% gov't/50% private to be overseen by the civilian agency.

So you have three different groups of people with three different interests overlooking how taxes are spent.

While I agree on not giving legislators too much control over the budget and getting rid of the DAP, I don't agree on getting rid of the PDAF. As what I understand, the DAP was created by the GMA administration as a "work around" for getting funds diverted on a "as needed" basis without any concrete objectives/guidelines overseeing it. PDAF, on the other hand, was created for a specific purpose to fund and develop areas under a particular politicians region being represented, the problem is that, due to loopholes, they instead use the money to "help" organizations on other regions without verifying and re-verifying the validity or the existence of the organization and following up on how or if the money was really spent on the project.

Abolishing PDAF is not going to do any help if what governs it is not changed. Another "PDAF" can and will be created. What is needed is transparency and very strict guidelines and involving, WE, the people, on giving permissions to those arseholes to use taxpayers money.

[Nefarian]

On the other hand, let us not forget that there are those who earn so much yet pay very little taxes while those who are earning less are paying huge amount of taxes. Doctors, Engineers and other professions pay less tax while Public Teachers and other "productive middle class" are shouldering the burden. Almost 2k a month tax for 10k salary anyone? I personally don't mind "shouldering the burden for the unproductive citizens" as long as my hard earned money REALLY goes to helping those citizens and not going to someone's bank account.



While I agree on not giving legislators too much control over the budget and getting rid of the DAP, I don't agree on getting rid of the PDAF. As what I understand, the DAP was created by the GMA administration as a "work around" for getting funds diverted on a "as needed" basis without any concrete objectives/guidelines overseeing it. PDAF, on the other hand, was created for a specific purpose to fund and develop areas under a particular politicians region being represented, the problem is that, due to loopholes, they instead use the money to "help" organizations on other regions without verifying and re-verifying the validity or the existence of the organization and following up on how or if the money was really spent on the project.

Abolishing PDAF is not going to do any help if what governs it is not changed. Another "PDAF" can and will be created. What is needed is transparency and very strict guidelines and involving, WE, the people, on giving permissions to those arseholes to use taxpayers money.

That is why the SC should declare PDAF as "unconstitutional" aron dili na pwede i revive and a law which prohibits another lump sum scheme to be made. This law will be discussed in the coming national summit for PI.

Ug kung nakabasa mo ron sa news about atong 100M proposal which is done under 2 days ra grabe mura raman gipanglabay ang kwarta. Diha2x dayon magically made proposal grabe.

[ghostie2472]

That is why the SC should declare PDAF as "unconstitutional" aron dili na pwede i revive and a law which prohibits another lump sum scheme to be made. This law will be discussed in the coming national summit for PI.

Ug kung nakabasa mo ron sa news about atong 100M proposal which is done under 2 days ra grabe mura raman gipanglabay ang kwarta. Diha2x dayon magically made proposal grabe.

My goodness.. It doesn't matter if ma declare nga unconstitutional ang PDAF if the law governing it is not changed! What you're saying is the same as the idea of cutting off branches of a tree because you don't like the tree, you want to kill it, the tree will always grow back new branches and with new leaves unless you unroot the tree! You know what I mean?

And let me quote something from my reply, I hope this'll make sense to you:

What is needed is transparency and very strict guidelines and involving, WE, the people, on giving permissions to those arseholes to use taxpayers money.

Or in short PREVENTION.

[æRLO]

On the other hand, let us not forget that there are those who earn so much yet pay very little taxes while those who are earning less are paying huge amount of taxes. Doctors, Engineers and other professions pay less tax while Public Teachers and other "productive middle class" are shouldering the burden. Almost 2k a month tax for 10k salary anyone? I personally don't mind "shouldering the burden for the unproductive citizens" as long as my hard earned money REALLY goes to helping those citizens and not going to someone's bank account.



While I agree on not giving legislators too much control over the budget and getting rid of the DAP, I don't agree on getting rid of the PDAF. As what I understand, the DAP was created by the GMA administration as a "work around" for getting funds diverted on a "as needed" basis without any concrete objectives/guidelines overseeing it. PDAF, on the other hand, was created for a specific purpose to fund and develop areas under a particular politicians region being represented, the problem is that, due to loopholes, they instead use the money to "help" organizations on other regions without verifying and re-verifying the validity or the existence of the organization and following up on how or if the money was really spent on the project.

Abolishing PDAF is not going to do any help if what governs it is not changed. Another "PDAF" can and will be created. What is needed is transparency and very strict guidelines and involving, WE, the people, on giving permissions to those arseholes to use taxpayers money.

DAP was created in 2011. Again, the PDAF as it stands right now does not abide to the constitution because it gives individual legislators an allocation when congress as a body is only afforded that power.

[Nefarian]

My goodness.. It doesn't matter if ma declare nga unconstitutional ang PDAF if the law governing it is not changed! What you're saying is the same as the idea of cutting off branches of a tree because you don't like the tree, you want to kill it, the tree will always grow back new branches and with new leaves unless you unroot the tree! You know what I mean?

And let me quote something from my reply, I hope this'll make sense to you:

Brad ug imong pasabot FOI bill dugay nako kibaw ana ug dugay nako sige shagit ana diri nga usa na sa akong gusto. Ug mo suggest gani mog solution siguroa feasible sad ug ma angay ba sa current state sa atong nasod karon.

[ghostie2472]

Brad ug imong pasabot FOI bill dugay nako kibaw ana ug dugay nako sige shagit ana diri nga usa na sa akong gusto. Ug mo suggest gani mog solution siguroa feasible sad dili lang kay maayo ta mo istorya.

Better read carefully kay dili ra FOI akong buot pasabot sa akong reply. I also have said nga i APIL ang Filipino citizens or ang mga Pinoy maoy naa final say/approval before naay taxpayer money nga ma release. Pretty self explanatory naman siguro na.

Feasible solution? Dili lang istorya? Sorry brad kay pareho ra sad ta, AFAIK, gi encourage man gani nimo ang pag apil anang rally-rally nga wala pa man gani gi buhat nga proposal, "mag himo" pa ug proposal. That doesn't make you any better than me, does it?

Well, let me give you a "feasible" example. Way back on my Market Research days, Orange County sa California had this "way," if you will, in involving it's citizens on the decision making for projects and such. Other US States are doing this as well. Simple ra kaayo. Pahibal-on nila ang taga Orange County about a certain project or mga projects nga gusto ipa tuman, then the citizens will be voting, just a yes or no, or unsa nga project ilang gusto unahon, which ever vote mo daug mao nay i follow. Simple ra diba? Now, how will that work sa Pinas? Politicians represent a region, diba? If naa silay gusto ipa tuman nga project, ila ipahibalo sa nga tao under sa ilang region, mag votation ug unsay gusto sa mga tao maoy buhaton. Complicated ra ba kaayo para nimo kana nga istilo? I hope not.