Kinsa jud imo gituohan kung diin jud tah gikan, ang Bible or Science?

[cebudeal]

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[cebudeal]

first things first.. NEVER did it happen that the bible or anyone showed any evidence about creationism and the existence of a supreme being, therefore there isn't any need to disprove it. it's all made up..

but your free to choose what to believe in and what to think about, but please do not discriminate others who does not think the same. (this case always happen)

Evolution is a theory, so is Gravity. So are you concluding that gravity is also false?

lol. this is one of the greatest deceit the evil one wants us to think. Bec, he knows in the end he will have you.
He wants us to think, that no heaven or hell exist. No God or Devil exists. Why would he scare away the people? that would only draw them closer to God.

If we think we are wiser, remember the evil one, is the most smartest liar before the world was ever created.

Godbless ~

[noy]

first things first.. NEVER did it happen that the bible or anyone showed any evidence about creationism and the existence of a supreme being, therefore there isn't any need to disprove it. it's all made up..

aren't we concluding now? first things first, creationism is the LITERAL take on BIBLICAL creation accounts.
of course with Everything Physics and Mathematics ever came up with...we can all agree that the earth was not created in 6 days, BUT if biblical accounts on creation are NOT to be taken LITERALLY, then that actually opens another perspective..

like how the bible suggests, God created the heavens and the earth...this could be taken as a summary..leaving all the details behind, the numbering 6 day creation could mean billions of years.. 'cause first of all, the Bible talks about God, creation and Salvation not about Quantum Physics...
the BIBLE is DIVINE inspired with HUMAN interpretation(writers of the epistles)..people back then didn't even know what physics was...
in the BIGGER sense of the picture...GOD created everything...for details...GOd gave Science, as what we have all been saying here..the 2 shouldn't contradict really(a point of view of course) syempre you are also free to believe whatever you want.

but your free to choose what to believe in and what to think about, but please do not discriminate others who does not think the same. (this case always happen)

Yes these things always happen..BUT it is usually the OTHER WAY AROUND..
it is actually those who do not believe in the supreme who in most cases discriminate those who do...
muingun dayun nga mutoo ug pink unicorn, santa claus..blah blah blah... Lol

Evolution is a theory, so is Gravity. So are you concluding that gravity is also false?

with me butting in, i think this question for me is somewhat irrelevant cause i didn't say
anything against Scientific. i would rather let the person you addressed this question to answer it for you..

The Existence of Gravity has been proven by the way...you don't have to see it to believe it...
one may deny gravity but would always know that it exists when we start falling..
so does God's existence in some ways..one might only know He's there when things go out of hand yet falls into place..

[M.A.D.]

Try basing contemporary scientific theory about the bible and see where it can get you.

Base cancer on bible and see if you can find the cause and the cure.
Base aging on bible and see if you can do the same.
Base advance propulsion systems and see if you can do the same.
Base energy efficient systems and see if you can do the same.
Base etc. etc and see if it can help you live a better life.

Use common sense, don't take it literally. The world is not made of just black and white.

[noy]

Try basing contemporary scientific theory about the bible and see where it can get you.

Base cancer on bible and see if you can find the cause and the cure.
Base aging on bible and see if you can do the same.
Base advance propulsion systems and see if you can do the same.
Base energy efficient systems and see if you can do the same.
Base etc. etc and see if it can help you live a better life.

Use common sense, don't take it literally. The world is not made of just black and white.

Exactly my point. however some would like to mock the Bible for contradicting Scientific accounts on Creation...
through Literalism. one of which is the famous "6 day creation"..

by the way, this is just a personal point of view although this is still based on statistical facts...
most cancer patients that survived the illness are the ones who embraced cancer with a thankful heart..
over those who do the opposite..

may not be a direct cure but it surely helps and the bible talks about it.(being thankful and trusting God in the midst of whatever)

[centaurus]

more on science apparently

[John Edward Diongson]

@noy
i appreciate your point, but sorry, i just can't agree with you about that. i find it very illogical to believe in a supreme being. let me ask you, if a god exist and made the whole world, who is it? who's god is it? dont take this as a bad question, ok )

also about you saying that it is us (non-believers) who does the discriminating part. how do you explain the religious ones who claims that non-believers must not exist? to be told that someone must not exist, is like totally saying that one must vanish or be literally dead. remember, not everyone is as open-minded as you do. so could you please do not conclude that it is us non-believers who's doing the discriminating part, both sides are equal, both sides have that messed up personality. and i hope that you're not one of them.

i'll recall what i have quoted "but please do not discriminate others who does not think the same"
this quote goes for everyone, religious or not.

[noy]

@noy
i appreciate your point, but sorry, i just can't agree with you about that. i find it very illogical to believe in a supreme being. let me ask you, if a god exist and made the whole world, who is it? who's god is it? dont take this as a bad question, ok )

that's your opinion bai, you're entitled to share it. that's fine and trust me i won't take it negatively

i know people call God by different names, but it doesnt mean He doesnt exist just because we can't figure out his real name..hehe

speaking of Logic. tell me, is it Logical to have specific results from a random selection?('cause that's how Atheist would like to think how everything came to pass)
random means by chance or simply not specific. i mean possibly yeah...once, twice...but not all the time right?
and if you consistently get specific results from something random that already defies the logic of random selection diba?
so we can agree that a random process cannot ALWAYS result into specific.

my question now is :
Why does the universe despite of it's complexity seem to follow certain laws of physics? is that still a product of random process?(just think about something that is as big, as beautiful and as marvelous as the unviverse bai, following specific laws and in harmony then ingna imung kaugalingon..wala may gabuhat ana..

the distances between astronomical bodies, take earth for example...how come that its distance from the sun is perfect, perfect in a sense that its not too close otherwise no life would exist 'cause we'd all be bar-b-cued and not so far or else we'd turn into ice pops...

how about in life? how do you explain blessings in disguise?
how about your brain? your eyes? your DNA? all these follow specific laws and instruction...
key word there bai is SPECIFIC, how can something very SPECIFIC come from something Random?

Lastly, what caused the FIRST quark(which eventually resulted into the universe,including us)?
study shows that the universe started with a quark that turned into protons and electrons into atoms...and hangtud sa pinaka dako karun nga particle which is more or less EXISTENCE of everything known and uknown including LIFE(although this is still debatable..hehe) itself.

pretty much Scientists did an outstading work in figuring out the PROCESS how everything came into being BUT the question about what or who caused the first quark is still hanging....
of course muingun ta nga there must be something nga much smaller particle than a quark
that caused it..propbably, but we will still be asking teh same question about what caused that first whatever? Can you really believe that nothing exploded into something and became the universe? considering there's nothing in the first place?

point is, there's gotta be a first cause otherwise it would defy the laws of nature.
one of which is the law of cause and effect.

and again, if we we all leave this to CHANCE,
say ok there was a cause but it was not God...well possibly yeah but as you can see? the RESULTS are very very SPECIFIC if everything was unplanned.chance or random that somehow is already a huge contradiction.

would you believe if i tell you that no one created a very organised computer program? it just came out of nowhere...by chance?

ingun pang Newton, Gravity explains the motions of the planets, but it cannot explain who sets the planets in motion.

Yes i would agree that God is illogical because we are trying to measure someone who is infinite using our finite minds..
and to conclude that an infinite doesnt exist because our finite analysis tells us so
is far more illogical i believe.

also about you saying that it is us (non-believers) who does the discriminating part. how do you explain the religious ones who claims that non-believers must not exist?

kinsa may nag ingun ana bai kay atong tuli-on ug usab...LOL

to be told that someone must not exist, is like totally saying that one must vanish or be literally dead.

can you at least show an article about this? kay basin na generalize lang nimu
ang mga religious with fundies...and extremist(like the suicide bombers)...

remember, not everyone is as open-minded as you do. so could you please do not conclude that it is us non-believers who's doing the discriminating part, both sides are equal, both sides have that messed up personality. and i hope that you're not one of them.

trust me bai, i wouldn't say i'm very open-minded but i'd like to try as much as i could to be one..as a Christian, i really don't think Jesus would be happy if i condemn you guys for not believing in Him...after all, we're all able to decide for ourselves and we're also accountable for our actions...kana imung unbelief bai...
i'd like to have a discussion with you about it..but that's just it...
judgement and all that sort of stuff is not my part in this play..
if God exists, it's between you and Him...

anyways regarding discrination,i believe we all have our share in it...so i'd rather leave this subject..'cause this is not really a game where we point fingers diba?
but to state my case,
if you look at the forums here in istorya or even sa other online forums or sites...try to OBSERVE bai kung kinsa maoy grabeh ka condescending ug approach...

i'll recall what i have quoted "but please do not discriminate others who does not think the same"
this quote goes for everyone, religious or not.

two thumbs up.

[Mr_NicePrice]

^^ very well said... There is a GOD!

[aidz814]

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