Philippine Coast Guard Shoot down Taiwanese Illegal Poachers

[hunyanggo1977]

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what Taiwanese had done to our OFWs thereat is a classic example of a misguided nationalism...

[hunyanggo1977]

Time to strengthen our military na jud... Kinahanglan na nato more weapons and equipment aron di ta easy easy lang para lain countries...

Wa nay update about ani na issue?

okay unta ni. but with the kind of economy we have right now, we can only do so much but not really that much. else gusto nato i follow ang example ng North Korea, bahala nag gigutom basta naay ikapang hambog na military...

but im still hoping na sana, our govt will start to modernize our AFP...

[bleedingboi]

Regarding the media, isn't it their job to exaggerate and sensationalize issues? In that sense there isn't much difference between their media and ours. I mean they do practice freedom of the press after all, being a democracy and not a province of China, as Miriam implied.

It is their right and their only sole purpose. But the question is...


By whom's directive and motive? Taiwan being one of the most corrupt governments in Asia, suffers media mismanagement and controls by tycoons and high-ranking public officials.

[monroy]

It is their right and their only sole purpose. But the question is...


By whom's directive and motive? Taiwan being one of the most corrupt governments in Asia, suffers media mismanagement and controls by tycoons and high-ranking public officials.

Yea, though I don't really see how this affects the fact that they have media freedom. Corruption, media control by tycoons and public officials? You could have been describing our country as well...

[<SMILE>]

Taiwan is a sovereign state and as far as I know,
we've followed and respected all their laws apparent
by the 80K pinoys working within their country, and by
virtue they should respect ours.

[Ronzkie23]

What is to be done with Taiwan
by Teddy Locsin Jr.
Posted at 05/21/2013 3:25 AM | Updated as of 05/21/2013 5:31 AM

HERE is my advice. It drips with amazing intelligence and outstanding decency. The president should formally apologize to the government of Taiwan for our military killing of a Taiwanese civilian, regardless of the circumstances. We lose nothing by being polite and lose plenty by being bastos. Only the truly strong and self-confident are polite; the rude are incontinent.

Just say, “On behalf of the government of the Republic of the Philippines, please accept my apology for the unfortunate incident where the life of a Taiwanese fisherman was lost and a fishing vessel destroyed. We shall make the appropriate reparations after a full investigation into the incident, conducted not just by the fat woman over here but by your good selves as well, to arrive at a fair understanding of the circumstances that led to that tragic result. Sincerely, Benigno Aquino III, President.”

Not only is this the legal thing to do, it is the decent thing to do, whenever those with heavy automatic weapons shoot up those with fishing rods; and it will sure put Red China in a quandary.

Red China cannot complain that this presidential apology violates the One-China Policy, which is no way altered by this act of civilization.

Only an idiot in the Department of Foreign Affairs who did not have a comparably high education equal to mine will argue that an apology for an inhumane act, confers some measure of diplomatic recognition upon the full measure of economic cooperation between the Philippines and Taiwan, not least its hiring of Filipino workers who would otherwise be callboys.

If Red China complained, it can kiss any hope of a peaceful reunification of Taiwan with mainland China; it will be goodbye for good because the Taiwanese will realize that mainland Chinese do not regard them as Chinese enough to be protected from wanton state actions such as our Coast Guard perpetrated.

On the other hand, if Red China says nothing, it has just allowed us to take the first olive out of the tight bottle of the One China Policy that has denied us the benefits of fuller relations with one the cash-richest countries on the planet, whose economy is so advanced, it needs to move plenty of its industries offshore to leave the highest technological endeavors on the island.

Indeed, who knows what else we can strike up with the vastly rich Taiwanese who, in fact, own most of the private enterprises on the Chinese mainland and may want to transfer some of their capital over here.

In this way, we pay back “some people” for sending military ships into what we see as our waters and building permanent structures on reefs that, so far as our claim goes, is completely ours.

What happened?

According to Agence France Press, a Philippine Coast Guard vessel—which AFP did not describe as made of Styrofoam and thus susceptible to disintegration if rammed by a Taiwanese fishing boat—sighted the latter in waters one else recognizes as ours.

Our Coast Guard gave chase until it was within killing distance and shot up the cockpit with heavy automatic fire killing one of the crew cowering there. The boat sustained some 60 bullet holes. Now if Taiwan had done the shooting, the boat would have sustained 100,000 bullets in the first 30 seconds; that is Taiwanese firepower for you.

Our military fired on a commercial vessel and killed a civilian. Taiwan expected an official apology; it got a personal sorry instead, first from the MECO ambassador and then from a Palace spokesman. This is like running over a neighbor’s dog while backing down the driveway and saying oops.

True, most countries switched diplomatic recognition from Taiwan to Red China. But Taiwan stayed a friend, enhanced trade ties, and became a real democracy before we did and made it work unlike here. Indeed, Taiwan is a model for Philippine democracy. It has unfailingly elected, in clean elections, presidents that are intelligent and psychologically stable—again unlike here—whether from the Left, Right or Center.

And it need not be mentioned that Taiwan took in our hopeless jobless, while Red China was taking over Philippine territory even if only reefs.

Now it is argued that it is okay to kill Taiwanese because theirs is not a sovereign nation—because we do not recognize them.

Our recognition isn’t worth a rat’s ass, for one; but it is true we have downsized from what was an empty formality of diplomatic recognition to the more substantial relationship we now enjoy with Taiwan. They are taking in our homeless and jobless.

In fact, Taiwan’s sovereignty does not depend on us or anyone else. It depends on its ability to destroy any who challenge its sovereignty and territorial integrity.

Indeed, Taiwan is a real state, with the defining features of a real state that ours does not have.

No one says Taiwanese are stateless persons but some experts say that ours is a failed if not a comic state as the conduct of the last elections and the senatorial choices on offer demonstrate.

Taiwan is the fourth largest industrial economy in the world, with a financial system that never suffered crisis; it has the largest foreign reserves after Red China and its bureaucracy works fast and clean and without mistakes, like a computer before computers became widespread.

Its land reform worked, multiplying agricultural production a thousandfold, while educating the work force, shifting them to industry. Small in size, it is like Prussia on the eve of conquering Europe.

Taiwan cannot conquer but it sure can hurt anybody pretty badly if it wants to.

Taiwan can withstand a massive attack from Red China, and might even prevail.

It can wipe out most of the Chinese economy on the coast. The first waves of a Chinese invasion will be exterminated. Taiwan air forces will inflict intolerable casualties. Only a nuclear strike can offset Taiwan’s military advantage but that would unleash an American response that will end all life on the Asian mainland.

It is not Taiwanese but Filipinos who are stateless in real terms. Even if we are recognized by the world, our OFWs are treated like crap by every camel-riding country in the world.

Source: http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/blogs/opi...be-done-taiwan

[Ronzkie23]

Taiwanese execs: Our demands are not excessive

By Pia Lee-Brago, The Philippine Star
Posted at 05/21/2013 7:52 AM | Updated as of 05/21/2013 8:05 AM

MANILA, Philippines - Taiwan yesterday said Taipei is reasonable and not acting excessively in demanding a formal apology from the Philippines and a joint investigation on the shooting of a Taiwanese fisherman by Philippine Coast Guard (PCG) personnel in Philippine waters last May 9.

David Chen, of the Taipei Economic and Cultural Office (TECO), said two of the four versions of the Philippines’ statement on the incident are acceptable to Taiwan.

However, Chen said that substantive wordings were not reflected in the fourth letter handed by Manila Economic and Cultural Office (MECO) chairman Amadeo Perez Jr. when he met with officials in Taipei last week.

“We can see substantive wordings were canceled in the final version. If you’re a Taiwanese, how would you feel?” Chen told reporters.

He said a letter of apology indicating that it comes from the Filipino people is not acceptable because the shooting was committed by the PCG, whom he referred to as “civil servants.”

“The most important thing is that this was conducted by your civil servants. We demand a formal apology,” he said.

Peter Pan, executive assistant to the representative, also stressed that the requirements are not difficult.

“The few people in the government who did this act should be responsible for the compensation,” Pan said.

Chen said the Philippines’ first and third letters to Taiwan were acceptable with the wordings “express regret and apology of the Philippine government.”

But he said the fourth letter, handed by Perez, only stated it “expresses regret and apology of the people of the Philippines,” and not the government.

The fourth letter also does not indicate any assurance that an investigation on the incident would be conducted immediately and does not list all the penalties under Philippine laws and financial restitution to the victim’s family.

Chen also pointed out that Taiwan had insisted that a joint investigation should begin.

“Our investigation team was invited by your MECO. We really want to follow. We don’t ask excessively. They’re all reasonable,” Chen insisted.

Meantime, TECO said the overseas Filipino worker in Taiwan beaten up by Taiwanese teenagers accepted yesterday the apology of the group and a compensation of NT$120,000.

“The local police found these people and they said sorry. They apologized and paid NT$120,000 compensation. The victim received their apology and compensation,” Chen said. “This is an isolated incident.”

He branded as rumors the reports that Filipino products were removed from Taiwanese stores and that Filipinos could not buy from these stores.

Filipino workers in Taiwan have been advised to stay indoors as emotions continue to run high against the Philippines over the killing of the Taiwanese fisherman.

Taiwan is host to nearly 90,000 OFWs.

The Taiwan investigation team claimed that PCG members intentionally shot the Taiwanese fisherman and other crewmembers of the Guang Ta Hsin 28.

Chen Wen-chi, head of the Taiwan investigating team, said the Taiwanese fishing vessel was shot 45 times.

The Taiwanese team arrived in Manila last May 16 hoping that they would be able to jointly conduct an investigation with their Philippine counterparts on what transpired during the May 9 incident.

But the team decided to go back to Taiwan last Saturday and accused the Philippine government of trying to delay their request for a joint investigation.

Meanwhile, a retired Philippine ambassador called Taiwan a “bully” for its actions and retaliation against the Philippines.

Lauro Baja Jr., former Philippine permanent representative to the United Nations and foreign affairs undersecretary for policy, said Taiwan “is behaving like an irresponsible neighborhood bully and it is not surprising since it is a province of China.”

Baja said the Philippines should not stoop to Taiwan’s level after China’s renegade province imposed a second wave of sanctions against Manila.

“The Philippines should instead act and speak as a responsible member of the international community,” Baja said.

Source: Taiwanese execs: Our demands are not excessive | ABS-CBN News

[monroy]

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"True, most countries switched diplomatic recognition from Taiwan to Red China. But Taiwan stayed a friend, enhanced trade ties, and became a real democracy before we did and made it work unlike here. Indeed, Taiwan is a model for Philippine democracy. It has unfailingly elected, in clean elections, presidents that are intelligent and psychologically stable—again unlike here—whether from the Left, Right or Center."

He should have included Senators in this analogy. Sad but true.

[balipseyev]

Part of PNoy's Speech in 115th Anniversary of the Philippine Navy...

Batid po nating sa paglipas ng panahon, patuloy din ang pagdagsa ng mga hamon na sumusubok sa katatagan natin bilang bayan. Nariyan ang mga banta mula sa loob at labas ng ating bansa, at ang peligrong hatid ng mga kalamidad sa buhay at kabuhayan ng ating kababayan. Sa ating agenda ng mabuting pamamahala, malinaw ang pahiwatig natin ngayon sa buong mundo: Ang sa Pilipinas ay sa Pilipinas, at kaya nating pumalag at ipagtanggol ang sarili tuwing may sisindak sa atin sa loob mismo ng ating bakuran.

[janhenz1]

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Lauro Baja Jr., former Philippine permanent representative to the United Nations and foreign affairs undersecretary for policy, said Taiwan “is behaving like an irresponsible neighborhood bully and it is not surprising since it is a province of China.”

with all due respect to Mr. Lauro Baja Jr., kay career diplomat mani siya and even once presided the UN Security Council,
pero kanang “is behaving like an irresponsible neighborhood bully and it is not surprising since it is a province of China"
klasi nga statement pang bata man na. It achieves no other purpose except palagot ra sa kontra