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  1. #331

    Quote Originally Posted by cebugdev View Post
    and I think Judas deserve one,
    according to traditional catholic teachings, Judas betray Jesus, but without hes betrayal the son of God should not have been crucified,
    also according to the tradition, Jesus crucifixion was willed and planned by GOD to save us from sins.. now can you sense the problem with the above statement?
    1. Jesus was arrested because Judas betrayed him. Catholics considered him Evil.
    2. GOD intended Jesus to be crucified for our sins. without him Jesus would not have been crucified.

    Therefore,
    1. Judas was an instrument by GOD for his plan to save us from our sins

    In the Long run, Judas commited suicide because he was guilty of what he did, Is he not qualified for forgiveness from GOD?
    sakto?
    Judas should be a saint.

    with regards to the Original topic,
    its just depend upon the interpretation of people, mura gud na katong backmasking, by listening to it, you cant hear the voices until someone who apparently heard voices (in their head) told you that there are voices in the backmask. its all in the mind
    sorry boss, murag di na mao imung giistorya about how Catholics view Judas..
    ingun pa nimu, Catholics see Judas as Evil...that is wrong brother.

    The historical complexity of Jesus' trial is apparent in the Gospel accounts. The personal sin of the participants (Judas, the Sanhedrin, Pilate) is known to God alone. Hence we cannot lay responsibility for the trial on the Jews in Jerusalem as a whole, despite the outcry of a manipulated crowd and the global reproaches contained in the apostles' calls to conversion after Pentecost.385 Jesus himself, in forgiving them on the cross
    Catechism of the Catholic Church - PART 1 SECTION 2 CHAPTER 2 ARTICLE 4 PARAGRAPH 2

    Yes Judas could have been a Saint if Like Peter and the others who left Jesus for dead, did not kill themselves and repented.
    we are all like judas in our own ways, we constantly betray Jesus whenever we sin..
    but Judas is never condemned by catholics and no one should as we ourselves are not judges for we too shall be judged..

    Yes Judas played a critical role in Jesus Salvation, in the same way when our past mistakes can bless others when God heals us..and turn our mistakes into learnings and blessings. we too played a role in the salvation of others, to God be the glory

    should we praise him for betraying Jesus?
    are we to praise each other for sinning against God? we praise God for allowing us to choose freely though at times we may fall so we can learn and ultimately so He can reign in our hearts as we accept Him to be our Lord and Savior.
    without Judas, Jesus would still be crucified anyway, as God's plan is not subject to Judas' decisions.we're talking about God almighty bro..

    when Judas killed himself it was obviously not part of God's plan, Judas' destiny was to repent and continue to live in the gospel like all of us..
    when judas hanged himself his dicision was no different than some of our poor bros and sisters who took their lives
    BUT no one and should condemn them, as well as Judas is never condemned.

    ayaw kaayo ug palabi'g basa anang gospel of Judas bro, kay samut tag kalibug ana..
    ok ra for the sake of Curiosity pero kung imu nang i internalize...hmmmm...ambut lang.Lol
    Last edited by noy; 04-12-2013 at 12:11 AM.

  2. #332
    Quote Originally Posted by cebugdev View Post
    and I think Judas deserve one,
    according to traditional catholic teachings, Judas betray Jesus, but without hes betrayal the son of God should not have been crucified,
    also according to the tradition, Jesus crucifixion was willed and planned by GOD to save us from sins.. now can you sense the problem with the above statement?
    1. Jesus was arrested because Judas betrayed him. Catholics considered him Evil.
    2. GOD intended Jesus to be crucified for our sins. without him Jesus would not have been crucified.
    1. the church is not considering judas as evil but the act of betrayal. not as a person but the act. as what the saying says Love the sinner, hate the sin.
    2. As what Jesus said "take this cup away from me but if it is Your will thy shall be done"
    Therefore,
    Quote Originally Posted by cebugdev View Post
    1. Judas was an instrument by GOD for his plan to save us from our sins
    yes he was an instrument.
    Quote Originally Posted by cebugdev View Post
    In the Long run, Judas commited suicide because he was guilty of what he did, Is he not qualified for forgiveness from GOD?
    sakto?
    Judas should be a saint.
    yes he is qualified for it. but the question was did he ask for forgiveness? we don't know the answer but as what I learned from my teachers. it is between Judas and God.
    Last edited by carbrill; 04-12-2013 at 12:10 AM.

  3. #333
    Ohh? Naabot nman lage ni ni-Judas bro? hehehe, backread2x q gamay beh..

  4. #334
    OT:
    wheeewws... dugaya nako nahuman gukod basa oi. natagbaw kug tugkad kay mga lawom na kaau. pero nakatawa ug medyo wala na ko kasabot sa uban istorya kay naa naman Math e.g. Multiply, 10% (percentage), unya napunta sad panglabhanan materials; tubig, medyas ug brief. naloading ko da

    OnT: naklaro gyud nga padong gyud diays karaan na image2x issue.

  5. #335
    OT: God knows HUDAS not pay...Lol
    ---sticker sa jeep

  6. #336
    Quote Originally Posted by noy View Post
    your certainty amuses me break.. if i had not known who Jesus was,, i would have worshiped you as you seem to sure about everything. Lol
    Sorry bro but no matter how we denied and says we dont, undeniable baya that RC worships an idol...akong sabot sa worship kay mao ni: A feeling of profound love and admiration...

    Even if we ask a devout CAtholic nga nagluhod sa simbahan in front of an idol.....mao jud na ilang pagsabot.

  7. #337
    Quote Originally Posted by noy View Post
    Lol di ko mananabtan bro oi...hahaha...
    praning ma nis breakeven...gihimu mang example tong tore ni david gud..haha
    hehheheh abi lang gud nako bro ug sweto pud ka anang colorum2 sa mananabtan....
    mahimuot lang ko part ba kay nakahatud kos lubong sakong uncle, karon ang mananabtan kay dagang ulay man nya perteng malditaha, inig pangadyi niya kay gamay raman ang mosabat ug tubag, gisyagitan bitaw niya ang iyang duha ka assistant ug "panubag mo" while nagsige yaw2 sa pangadyi...nakurat lang tawn tanan!
    Last edited by Breakeven; 04-12-2013 at 02:16 AM.

  8. #338
    Quote Originally Posted by noy View Post
    kanta ni break?hehehe
    bitaw
    way blema na break, pls also forgive me if i ofended you in some ways, naay mga sarcasm
    ug uban pa...ok? Yes WE ALL need Jesus..at least we agree on this part.. Lol
    hehehe....nindot ni lyrics kung manukar mo bro
    walay blema sad sa akoa.....i can forgive anybody bro bisan pag unsa ang itawag sa akoa....hehee. murag si @jovs ba. mingaw naman ko sa bogoy....unsa nasad kaha iyang new account.

  9. #339
    Quote Originally Posted by noy View Post
    the research side is actually your part break,
    for sure you've done a great deal of reseraching in the anti-catholic areas..
    perhaps its time to research about Catholicism from a Catholic's perspective

    i hope you can accept the truth pud nga there's a whole about Catholicism you need to learn
    and Lot to unlearn from your anti-catholic orientation.
    diba? mao ni imung gusto? to know the Truth? humana man kas sa imung truth, TESTINGE nig subay amung truth...
    kalingaw2x lang gud...for the sake of learning..
    Knowing about the Love of God and Jesus Christ is everything for me bro. but If I have free time maybe i can study more on that.

  10. #340
    depende cguro sa interpretation

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