The KOBE vs JORDAN Debate

[djereza]

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level42: Radmanovic was good sa Clips...and i think you didn't read any lakers news this season about Vrad... Well let me tell you what phil thinks of Vrad... he calls him "Space Cadet" cos he doesn't know what to do sa court especially learning the triangle...Phils taught him this and that..and when phil ask him what to do..he can't answer...kung sa bisaya pa... GA LUTAW. Plus bright sad kaayo si Vrad nag snowboarding pag All-Star break, na injured..samot nang likoy. The triangle is a very hard system...it needs a lot of practice and it needs players with high basketball IQ. Bisag banga ang player but they'll understand the triangle..okay na (like cartwright or longley sa bulls they were not an offensive threat but they know their roles sa ilang team.)

No matter unsoan pag motivate ni MJ especially ni Vrad and Smush --- dili na mo sud sa ilang mga utok. Gets sad?

About Kobe as a leader..well he's not on the same level ni MJ...no doubt

But about Kobe a motivator?? well lets say he's always out with his teammates..like dinner, bars and all thats stuff. He has bonding with his teammates...do you think he didn't motivate enough?? And about Kobe...He and Phil are always on the phone everyday. Kobe and MJ always exchanging txt messages. MJ always gives him some advices about the team.

I'm not concern on Lakers' offense right now... what matters is defense bro. And honestly..their defense is really really bad right now... check the stats bro...
Lakers PPG 103.3 OPPG 103.4....
Game 2 against Suns
Suns scores...
Points in the Paint --- 56 pts!!
Fastbreak Poinst --- 39pts

Do you think MJ can win championship with the LA"s current roster..NOPE.

And about game 1?? lets say Kobe was 1-10 sa 4th and rest of the team was 3-13..all i can say is that they didn't execute their plays and bottom line is they're inconsistent and no defense. Kobe didn't choke...maybe he was tired...his teammates rely on him too much.

[djereza]

thats where you separate the men from the boys. knowing that his teammates cant hit shots, he should've taken over the game. theres no question about his capabilities, his maturity still hangs in the air

Well like I said..He did that pag Game 1 his teammates can't hit...he sure was firing shots 33 attpt but he was cold. So what happens...cold sad iyang mga teammates.

If he shoots too much...ngilad siya..
If he shoots less...ngilad gihapon...

[level42]

hahay....... anyway this is a debate. so wala gyud ni kahumanan, I respect your opinion bai. peace nalang kay kapoy

the question here whos better? Kobe or MJ. makita ninyo sa votes nga labaw gyud si MJ 17 - 5.... and I havent also heard nga si Kobe gi considered to be the greatest player to ever play in the game... nakadungog mo? nga gi consider si kobe nga greatest?

ang debate ani whos better man. then kobe has the be the greatest player to be better than jordan. and so far "NAA PA NI JORDAN ANG TITLE" YOU HAVE TO BE SUPERHUMAN PARA MAKUHA NA NILA. COZ MJ SET A VERY HIGH STANDARD, GRABE iya achivements. nga gitawag gud siya og athlete og the Century sa ESPN

[makoyvelasco]

Well like I said..He did that pag Game 1 his teammates can't hit...he sure was firing shots 33 attpt but he was cold. So what happens...cold sad iyang mga teammates.

scoring 28 points in the first half is no way cold. the fact that the suns figured him out in the second half made it hard for kobe and the suns have immediately built enough momentum to take the lead, break away and never look back.

kobe is a scorer, he should stick to what he does best. its the playoffs, its not the right time to experiment. look at how bad game 2 is for the lakers when kobe really didnt bother to score.

[level42]

one thing pud I like about MJ, very down to earth.

he was once asked to comment " Michael Jordan the greatest player to ever play in the game of basketball "
his answer to that is = false,
why? he said, I havent have to opportunity to compete against Jerry West, Oscan Robertson and Elgin Baylor to determine whos really the best...

[djereza]

level42: who said Kobe was better? i didn't say Kobe is the greatest....i'm voting for MJ also bro...and i was just asking if jordan can win championships with the current roster sa LA karon. What i'm trying to say here is that MJ won championshiip with the help of his teammates..his teammates stepped up evey game offense and defense...Kobe teammates right now are not really as talented. So for me if MJ plays with Lakers rosters right now..they can't win the championship. Peace sad.

[level42]

no problem bro, nindto man pud ni ang debate, kay exciting...

[djereza]

scoring 28 points in the first half is no way cold. the fact that the suns figured him out in the second half made it hard for kobe and the suns have immediately built enough momentum to take the lead, break away and never look back.

kobe is a scorer, he should stick to what he does best. its the playoffs, its not the right time to experiment. look at how bad game 2 is for the lakers when kobe really didnt bother to score.

Kung maoy sugo ni Phil...its not Kobe call bro. Game 1 phoenix defended Kobe madly pag 2nd half..so unsa may buhaton sa player if double teaman?? I.pasa sa libre nga teammate, but still he's teammate can't finish. most likely why Kobe will take a force shot cos his teammates will just stand still and watch him finish. If only their is a designated 2nd scorer sa iyang team... odom is injured right now (shoulder and legs), walton (ankles), kwame (ankles)...an experience rookie guard (Farmar) perhaps?? Then that will take a lot of loads on Kobe's shoulder.

[PeteBull9]

This thread is all about Kobe vs MJ as a complete player

I would definitely say MJ will be the winner.. why?

Michael Jordan was the dominant basketball player in the world during the 1990s. He won the NBA's Most Valuable Player award five times, and six times led the Chicago Bulls to the league championship. Jordan led the Bulls to his first three championships came in 1991, 1992 and 1993 with superb shooting and playmaking and a competitive killer instinct. In October of 1993 he stunned his fans by retiring from basketball and beginning a professional baseball career, saying that playing baseball had been an early dream of his. He played the 1994 baseball season for the minor league Birmingham Barons. In March of 1995 he ended his baseball career and returned to the Bulls. With Jordan, the Bulls won three more championships in 1996, 1997 and 1998. He retired from basketball in 1999

led NBA in scoring 7 years in a row (1987-93) and also 1996-98; 10- time All-NBA 1st team
6-time MVP of NBA Finals (1991-93,96-9; 3-time AP Male Athlete of Year;
led U.S. Olympic team to gold in 1984 and ‘92
Defensive Player of the Year (198
Nine-time All-Defensive First Team (1988-93, 1996-9

He was not just a part of this but he led it all

Kobe was just the sidekick of Shaq when the lakers won their 3 NBA championships...
Kobe has no regular season MVP
Never a Defensive player of the year..

now is there a comparison?

[fha]

mj would somehow edge kobe. mj has a couple of regular season mvp's while kobe has none that alone will suffice who's better. it is so hard to attain such an award in the regular season than attaining it in the all star game or in the finals.