The KOBE vs JORDAN Debate

[grovestreet]

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Bai, if in-ana nalang diay ang basehan, INDIVIDUAL SKILLS aw ari nalang ko sa mga player sa AND1. They would make Kobe blush.

We all know and1 is all about showboat (<---sakto ba nga term?)... no defense.

[djereza]

AND1?? well their ball handling skills are mostly travelling. and how come they can't make it to the NBA?? Well only the true streetball legend nga naa sa NBA that is successful is Rafer "Skip to My Lou" Alston. Lakers' Smush "Grim Reaper" Paker stinks.
Larry "Bone Collector" Williams, Philip "Hot Sauce" Champion <---- one of the top streetball players karon, wala man gali ka abot ug NBA.

[diatabz]

makoy: here's my answer bro.. we was limited by 15pts because coach(phi) let him limit his shots...phil wants to let his teammates involve the game. So kobe pass the ball a lot and let the teammates shoot but unsaon man mga taga PBL mani iyang mga kauban..they can't finish their job... walton 2-8, odom 4-12...etc. thats the difference if you have kerr, pippen, rodman (rebounding and defensive presence), ron harper.

Here's another thing...
1. Phoenix has more talent than the LA rosters...
2. LA has nooo defense whatsoever plus Waton and Kwame are not 100% (Ankle injuries)
So don't bash Kobe on his performance...
if he shoots too much, got big scores and a few assist or none at all..still people thinks he sucks
if he shoots less...he sucks gihapon.... soo unsa man gyud?

Sakto ka djereza. I cant blame him sad kay his teammates couldn't finish at all. Game 2 he tried last years strategy that worked but wa na juy agi iyang teammates ron.

AND1?? well their ball handling skills are mostly travelling. and how come they can't make it to the NBA?? Well only the true streetball legend nga naa sa NBA that is successful is Rafer "Skip to My Lou" Alston. Lakers' Smush "Grim Reaper" Paker stinks.
Larry "Bone Collector" Williams, Philip "Hot Sauce" Champion <---- one of the top streetball players karon, wala man gali ka abot ug NBA.

Exaclty... These are players who have excellent individual skills. Dunking, shooting and ball-handling these guys excelled at that. But the NBA aint about that type of game. It's about playing as a cohesive unit. Getting your teammates to be better players and swallowing your ego. Has Kobe done that? He blew his chance when he played alongside Shaq. MJ didnt like Rodman, but he knew he needed him to win. Pippen was mediocre when he started, but he became a hall of famer after playing with MJ. That makes great players.

Heres a thing lets put MJ on his peak along with the current rosters sa LA..do you think they can win championships?? i don't think so..

Of course. The Lakers are a good team. They have so much potential with Odom, Smush and Brown. Add MJ to the mix in today's watered down league...

[djereza]

AND1 is like "Harlem Globetrotters" they entertain people with their ankle breaking crossovers, and their crazy alley oops passes... but its only an exhibition game.

Real streetball players plays EBC tournament....thats where good streetballers ang NBA(AI, Marbury, Steve Francis, Marion, Odom...etc.) players plays.

[level42]

Jordan can win championship kung naa siya sa rooster sa LA karon, Odom is a terrific player, Brown is a good Rebounder, and Walton is an excellent all around player, and Vojacic is a pretty good shooter.. they can win esp. si Phil Jackson ang coach...

and nakalahi gud sa duha, taas og ego si kobe, while jordan is a low key player, mao comfortable ang iya mga teamates niya, kuhai lang og basi si Rodman, problema kaayo na nga player si Rodman, pero na disciplina ra gihapon ni Phil Jackson on MJ...

3 years na sila kauban ni Lamar Odom pero bati gihapon ila chemistry. mao nay na ka deperensya nila.... i compare ninyo ni pippen og jordan nga dali ra na kuha ila chemistry, bisan tood pirmi sila sikwati sa Detroit Pistons but a least elite sila nga team sa east, at least taas sila og Standing while ang lakers maglisod gani solod sa playoffs...

maturity ra man gyud ang kulang ni kobe.... makadaog ra gyud na og championship ang lakers basta ma develop na ang chemistry ni Odom og Kobe, else sige lng gyud sila magkalisod, nindot na na ila supporting cast, walton, vojacic, brown ang bynum bisan batan on promising na kaayo na ila future, naa ra gyud na tubag tanan ni Odom og Kobe they are the leaders sa ila team.

[djereza]

level42: really?? they can win championships with MJ karon?? are you sure..did you see the defense sa LA karon?? (I don't think it still Kobe's fault when it comes to defense..its the whole team.) what about their inconsistencies?? Sasha a pure shooter?? yeah in practice. (thats what phil always say...he shoots good in practice..but on real games..mo choke). what about their bench players?? Smush? Cook? V-Rad? Shammon Williams?? Do you think they can help the team on offense and defense??

For me MJ with Lakers karon..they can't win. Lakers has no D..and their offense is so inconsistent, talking about game 2 against suns....walton 2-8, odom 4-12...etc.

And about Odom...i don't think Odom is on same level with Pippen right now...Odom doens't have the defensive instensity like Pippen.

[level42]

level42: really?? they can win championships with MJ karon?? are you sure..did you see the defense sa LA karon?? (I don't think it still Kobe's fault when it comes to defense..its the whole team.) what about their inconsistencies?? Sasha a pure shooter?? yeah in practice. (thats what phil always say...he shoots good in practice..but on real games..mo choke). what about their bench players?? Smush? Cook? V-Rad? Shammon Williams?? Do you think they can help the team on offense and defense??

For me MJ with Lakers karon..they can't win.&#160; Lakers has no D..and&#160; their offense is so inconsistent, talking about game 2 against suns....walton 2-8, odom 4-12...etc.

And about Odom...i don't think Odom is on same level with Pippen right now...Odom doens't have the defensive instensity like Pippen.&#160;

kita ka sa playoffs last year? kalimot diay ko Radmanovic, do you know how good he is last year? how explosive he is sa clippers pa siya.... pag salig ra na sa teamates sho......... mao ma nay nakadaot ni kobe , maayo reg. season pero inig playoffs matak dan iya kauban mo choke..

dawata nalang nga dili pa gyud siya maayo nga leader....... total moabot ra man na, dili pa gyud time niya karon ... gets.

lets say ibutang nato si Jordan sa iya prime, sa reg. season og playoffs, off course ma asenso gyud na sila ........... Jordan is a motivator.........mao nay wala ni Kobe...

naa man gyud nay off nights.... sa game 1 maayo kaayo sila, pero kobe ni choke pag second half,,,,,, be unsay may tubag nimo ana? basolon napud nimo iya teamates..... karaan na kaayo na nga alibi...

[makoyvelasco]

makoy: here's my answer bro.. we was limited by 15pts because coach(phi) let him limit his shots...phil wants to let his teammates involve the game. So kobe pass the ball a lot and let the teammates shoot but unsaon man mga taga PBL mani iyang mga kauban..they can't finish their job... walton 2-8, odom 4-12...etc. thats the difference if you have kerr, pippen, rodman (rebounding and defensive presence), ron harper.

Here's another thing...
1. Phoenix has more talent than the LA rosters...
2. LA has nooo defense whatsoever plus Waton and Kwame are not 100% (Ankle injuries)

So don't bash Kobe on his performance...
if he shoots too much, got big scores and a few assist or none at all..still people thinks he sucks
if he shoots less...he sucks gihapon.... soo unsa man gyud?

Heres a thing lets put MJ on his peak along with the current rosters sa LA..do you think they can win championships?? i don't think so..

thats where you separate the men from the boys. knowing that his teammates cant hit shots, he should've taken over the game. theres no question about his capabilities, his maturity still hangs in the air

[level42]

@makoyvelasco......... good point bro, kobe has the capability of scoring a 100 pts in a game, if he has to score a 100 to win then so be it..... weak pa gyud iya decesion making.

[makoyvelasco]

level42: really?? they can win championships with MJ karon?? are you sure..did you see the defense sa LA karon?? (I don't think it still Kobe's fault when it comes to defense..its the whole team.) what about their inconsistencies?? Sasha a pure shooter?? yeah in practice. (thats what phil always say...he shoots good in practice..but on real games..mo choke). what about their bench players?? Smush? Cook? V-Rad? Shammon Williams?? Do you think they can help the team on offense and defense??

For me MJ with Lakers karon..they can't win. Lakers has no D..and their offense is so inconsistent, talking about game 2 against suns....walton 2-8, odom 4-12...etc.

And about Odom...i don't think Odom is on same level with Pippen right now...Odom doens't have the defensive instensity like Pippen.

lakers have a deep line-up. odom and radmanovic are good players when they were still in other teams. and smush parker is an explosive type of player, he had great moments and highlights himself.

we cant deny it, it was an all-kobe show the whole season and now his teammates have not built enough confidence going into the playoffs. now the lakers might have realized that a one-man attack game wont work in the playoffs