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    Quote Originally Posted by Xian120 View Post
    cge mangutana lang kog OnT question.. nganu man against ang simbahan sa contraception? nya mo favor sila anang natural?
    Ingnag e google para maka tobas ka

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    Quote Originally Posted by wenlove24 View Post
    Ingnag e google para maka tobas ka
    i want your personal opinion on this..

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    Quote Originally Posted by chrisvil View Post
    Church has nothing to do with you but to teach you. It is your choice between good and evil. You have the right to choose on whatever you believe in.

    Being poor is not the objective of the Church but it's the choice of each and every one of us to be poor. If I were to choose, I'd rather choose to be rich and look for ways to be out of hardship. Church didn't teach you to be poor. But these people (not the Church) behind the curtain has something to do that makes us poor and poorer. Ask yourself on why there are lots of poor people, why our wages is too low as compared to other neighboring countries. Why is it that we have a low purchasing power? In Singapore, a cook can buy a LED TV in his/her one (1) month salary and can still even remit money to Philippines while our cook here in the Philippine takes how many months to buy a LED TV.

    Why is it the prices on basic commodities are keep on high and the fuel price is also up. Standard of living in the Philippines is very low and these people blaming it to population. Ahhh that's bullshit.
    If you wanna talk about Singapore, that's the same country that implemented strict population control. That goes against your argument right? To answer your question, why wages are low it is partly because our government sucks, our debt was run up during the Marcos years and because of the law of demand/supply. A big population increases the supply, depressing wages. You act like it is one factor other than population that is causing low wages in reality many things cause low wages including a large population.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xian120 View Post
    i want your personal opinion on this..
    I already tried. Didn't seem to work. I guess sometimes understanding doesn't go hand in hand with acceptance so I pointed you to webbie. If you really want those questions answered that is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wenlove24 View Post
    I already tried. Didn't seem to work. I guess sometimes understanding doesn't go hand in hand with acceptance so I pointed you to webbie. If you really want those questions answered that is.
    Okay.........

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    Quote Originally Posted by wenlove24 View Post
    Gahi kaayog ulo mga tawo bro nya pasanginlan raba dayon ang simbahan. Faet. Moingon nalang kog, "tig balik balik!"
    Wala man gud lantawa nila na unsa gyu'y naka ingon nga nagka lisud gyud ta. Dili man ang populasyon kondili sa atong mismo sa gobyerno mao naghatag nato ug kalisud.

    Pag wala pa ang grabeng problema sa nasud sama sa CORRUPTION dili ingon ani kita na magka lisud then pasanginlan dayon ang simbahan. Ngano ang simbahan ba gayod ang nag dumala sa atong nasud?

    Matud pa ni Pres. Kennedy: Ask not what your country can do for you; ask what you can do for your country...

    Mao unta ni buhaton nato na unsa may maayong buhaton sa atong nasud na matul-id ug dili sad pasanginlan ang simbahan. We are also to be blame because we are part of the government and we are the government.

    Nagatoo ba mo na dili corrupt si Pnoy? Pnoy morally corrupted the minds and hearts of the Filipino people. Front lang na ang "daang matuwid".

    Ako motoo ko kon ma lower ang price sa commodities ug uban pa then magkalisod gihapon ta na ang population ang naka ingon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by monroy View Post
    If you wanna talk about Singapore, that's the same country that implemented strict population control. That goes against your argument right? To answer your question, why wages are low it is partly because our government sucks, our debt was run up during the Marcos years and because of the law of demand/supply. A big population increases the supply, depressing wages. You act like it is one factor other than population that is causing low wages in reality many things cause low wages including a large population.

    Yes it's true, Singapore implemented the strict population control but that was the time of Lee Kwan Yew. Look at Singapore now? Why they are inviting foreigners to work, to live that will make their populations to 5 + million, it's because they are under populated of 2.6+ millions. They need more people, more manpower because their current population cannot accommodate the existing workforce they need and to sustain their economy. Lee Hsien Loong (currently the Prime Minister of Singapore) imposes to have more babies and giving bonuses to a couples to have a baby. Sauna rana ilang birth control, tan-awa karon nagka problema hinoon.

    My arguments is just making examples to what a Filipino worker in Singapore as a cook can do to his/her salary as compared to our cook in the Philippines. I'm referring to a purchasing power.

    Population is not the root cause of low wages, it is the corruption and how we are governed. Before Marcos, Philippines is one of the tiger economy. We are the first in Asia economically booming after 2nd World War, until then Marcos regime. Who's to be blame? The Church? It is the government are to be blame because of simple words, mismanagement and corruptions.

    Sa una ang 1 peso is equivalent to 1 US$, karon lantawa? dba 40 US$. Simbahan diay ang naka ingon ana? Diba ato ra gobyerno. Bisan unsaon nato pag paningkamot ingon ani lang gihapon ta kay tungod kaning mga kanahan gusto na kita pirmi mag hangad kanila ug mangayo ug kaon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chrisvil View Post
    Yes it's true, Singapore implemented the strict population control but that was the time of Lee Kwan Yew. Look at Singapore now? Why they are inviting foreigners to work, to live that will make their populations to 5 + million, it's because they are under populated of 2.6+ millions. They need more people, more manpower because their current population cannot accommodate the existing workforce they need and to sustain their economy. Lee Hsien Loong (currently the Prime Minister of Singapore) imposes to have more babies and giving bonuses to a couples to have a baby. Sauna rana ilang birth control, tan-awa karon nagka problema hinoon.

    My arguments is just making examples to what a Filipino worker in Singapore as a cook can do to his/her salary as compared to our cook in the Philippines. I'm referring to a purchasing power.

    Population is not the root cause of low wages, it is the corruption and how we are governed. Before Marcos, Philippines is one of the tiger economy. We are the first in Asia economically booming after 2nd World War, until then Marcos regime. Who's to be blame? The Church? It is the government are to be blame because of simple words, mismanagement and corruptions.

    Sa una ang 1 peso is equivalent to 1 US$, karon lantawa? dba 40 US$. Simbahan diay ang naka ingon ana? Diba ato ra gobyerno. Bisan unsaon nato pag paningkamot ingon ani lang gihapon ta kay tungod kaning mga kanahan gusto na kita pirmi mag hangad kanila ug mangayo ug kaon.
    What you are discussing are first world problems. As a matter of fact, if Singapore didn't allow foreign immigration it wouldn't lead to a collapse of their society. Yes, the economy will slow down but per capita income won't be greatly affected because there will be fewer people competing for the same number of jobs. As I said again, it is a simple matter of supply/demand. You are talking about the two problems, too much population, and too few population as an either/or proposition. In truth it is a matter of degrees. Somewhere between these two extremes is a sustainable balance that tightly couples population with economic growth.

    The problem with the Philippines is that population growth hasn't been linked with the capacity of our economy to absorb the larger population without a depressive effect on wages. Our low standard of living is a complex problem with many causes and I frankly find it hard to believe that anyone would deny that population isn't one of the major contributing factors to our malaise. This would be tantamount to declaring the economic law of supply and demand invalid without basis.

    Back to Singapore, they implemented strict population control at a stage of development when they needed it (when they were in extreme poverty) and abandoned population control/encouraged immigration when the economy had reached a point where they could take advantage of it. This is precisely the same path that our country needs to follow if we want to copy their success. Otherwise, prepare to be subject to the law of supply and demand that nobody can escape (except by leaving the country).

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    Father pakusi ka?

    He should be responsible, he might be misinterpreted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by monroy View Post
    What you are discussing are first world problems. As a matter of fact, if Singapore didn't allow foreign immigration it wouldn't lead to a collapse of their society. Yes, the economy will slow down but per capita income won't be greatly affected because there will be fewer people competing for the same number of jobs. As I said again, it is a simple matter of supply/demand. You are talking about the two problems, too much population, and too few population as an either/or proposition. In truth it is a matter of degrees. Somewhere between these two extremes is a sustainable balance that tightly couples population with economic growth.

    The problem with the Philippines is that population growth hasn't been linked with the capacity of our economy to absorb the larger population without a depressive effect on wages. Our low standard of living is a complex problem with many causes and I frankly find it hard to believe that anyone would deny that population isn't one of the major contributing factors to our malaise. This would be tantamount to declaring the economic law of supply and demand invalid without basis.

    Back to Singapore, they implemented strict population control at a stage of development when they needed it (when they were in extreme poverty) and abandoned population control/encouraged immigration when the economy had reached a point where they could take advantage of it. This is precisely the same path that our country needs to follow if we want to copy their success. Otherwise, prepare to be subject to the law of supply and demand that nobody can escape (except by leaving the country).

    There's no such thing a first world nor third world country. We are in the same world.

    Pwede nato na kontrolahon ang supply and demand.

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