Mendiola Massacre: 25 Years, 15 Deaths, 0 Convictions

[tingkagol]

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wala kaayo nko na klaro but mura man ang mga farmers ni labay og firecrackers then murag na rattle ang police.

not a valid excuse to do be trigger happy and riddle 15 warm bodies with bullets.

Hmmm... Kung tinuod ni, imposible pud kung 5-star ra ang gipanglabay kay mapalid ra sa hangid. Mga shotgun/hotdog gyud siguro to, the type that could cause physical injuries. Sure, it's no excuse to kill 15 people, but that kind of violent aggression warrants some form of retaliation. Too bad ni-snowball, ang kontra kay armado, na-angin na nuon ang mga wala nanglabay ug pabuto.

Kana kung tinuod gyud nanglabay.

[ganjaman4978]

better late than never?

[KlaytoN]

i heard demonstration that day was infiltrated by the stupid commie fags...

I agree. On the other hand, what and why the shooting happened can only be traced to the matters regarding the RULES OF ENGAGEMENT. It would be unfair and unjustifiable if we apply the MINDSET, TOLERANCE, and HUMANS RIGHTS OUTLOOK OF TODAY and make it as a measurement to the military in mendiola 25 years ago, fresh from martial law. To explain my point further, let me share my own experience:

Back in those days, when i was still in high school i figured in a street rumble kay uso lagi ning mga gang ug frat. Wa ko kabantay naa na diay pulis (PC-INP) sa akong likod, gikalit lang ko liab sa kwelyo sabay gi "BUTTSTROKE" ko sa iyang armalite. Ang mindset sa society during that time is NORMAL scenario ra nang e buttstroke ka or makulatahan or ma-sipaan ka sa pulis in public.

In contrast today, no cop will be stupid enough to do such acts in broad daylight coz he might lose his job. I hope you guys get my point. IMO, mahimo na moot and academic even pointless kung mangita pa ta sa mga gitawag nga "suspects" or "perpetrators" sa Mendiola Massacre. Because the real perpetrators if we wanna call it that way, is the SYSTEM itself. And i believe since that time, many changes have taken place for the better. Textbooks had been rewritten, the rules of engagement has drastically improved, and the concept of maximum tolerance.

[elvandesantos]

I agree. On the other hand, what and why the shooting happened can only be traced to the matters regarding the RULES OF ENGAGEMENT. It would be unfair and unjustifiable if we apply the MINDSET, TOLERANCE, and HUMANS RIGHTS OUTLOOK OF TODAY and make it as a measurement to the military in mendiola 25 years ago, fresh from martial law. To explain my point further, let me share my own experience:

Back in those days, when i was still in high school i figured in a street rumble kay uso lagi ning mga gang ug frat. Wa ko kabantay naa na diay pulis (PC-INP) sa akong likod, gikalit lang ko liab sa kwelyo sabay gi "BUTTSTROKE" ko sa iyang armalite. Ang mindset sa society during that time is NORMAL scenario ra nang e buttstroke ka or makulatahan or ma-sipaan ka sa pulis in public.

In contrast today, no cop will be stupid enough to do such acts in broad daylight coz he might lose his job. I hope you guys get my point. IMO, mahimo na moot and academic even pointless kung mangita pa ta sa mga gitawag nga "suspects" or "perpetrators" sa Mendiola Massacre. Because the real perpetrators if we wanna call it that way, is the SYSTEM itself. And i believe since that time, many changes have taken place for the better. Textbooks had been rewritten, the rules of engagement has drastically improved, and the concept of maximum tolerance.

damn. you just nailed the thread.! well explained.

[cliff_drew]

I agree. On the other hand, what and why the shooting happened can only be traced to the matters regarding the RULES OF ENGAGEMENT. It would be unfair and unjustifiable if we apply the MINDSET, TOLERANCE, and HUMANS RIGHTS OUTLOOK OF TODAY and make it as a measurement to the military in mendiola 25 years ago, fresh from martial law. To explain my point further, let me share my own experience:

Back in those days, when i was still in high school i figured in a street rumble kay uso lagi ning mga gang ug frat. Wa ko kabantay naa na diay pulis (PC-INP) sa akong likod, gikalit lang ko liab sa kwelyo sabay gi "BUTTSTROKE" ko sa iyang armalite. Ang mindset sa society during that time is NORMAL scenario ra nang e buttstroke ka or makulatahan or ma-sipaan ka sa pulis in public.

In contrast today, no cop will be stupid enough to do such acts in broad daylight coz he might lose his job. I hope you guys get my point. IMO, mahimo na moot and academic even pointless kung mangita pa ta sa mga gitawag nga "suspects" or "perpetrators" sa Mendiola Massacre. Because the real perpetrators if we wanna call it that way, is the SYSTEM itself. And i believe since that time, many changes have taken place for the better. Textbooks had been rewritten, the rules of engagement has drastically improved, and the concept of maximum tolerance.

Killing people was not "NORMAL" in the eyes of the law 25 years ago. The only reason why the case filed by the survivors (and relatives) of the massacre DISMISSED and NO CONVICTION was due to the doctrine of State immunity from being sued without its consent -- referring to Art. XVI, Section 3 of the Constitution.

Read here G.R. No. 84607

[monroy]

Killing people was not "NORMAL" in the eyes of the law 25 years ago. The only reason why the case filed by the survivors (and relatives) of the massacre DISMISSED and NO CONVICTION was due to the doctrine of State immunity from being sued without its consent -- referring to Art. XVI, Section 3 of the Constitution.

Read here G.R. No. 84607

Did you read the case? It was dismissed because the lawyer was incompetent. The court basically told him he should have filed a case only against the military officers and not the State. Also, theres no conviction because that was a civil case, not a criminal case. Though I get your point, the weak reasoning of some posters here that what happened was normal because of past martial law is bullshit. Whats the point of having a "democratic" government under a housewife then? So we can have a lousy suck ass government AND also continue human rights abuses? Weak...

Somethis smells rotten about this incident. All roads lead to Hacienda Luisita... By the way now that Corona is gone, whats happened to the other HL case?

[gareb]

I agree. On the other hand, what and why the shooting happened can only be traced to the matters regarding the RULES OF ENGAGEMENT. It would be unfair and unjustifiable if we apply the MINDSET, TOLERANCE, and HUMANS RIGHTS OUTLOOK OF TODAY and make it as a measurement to the military in mendiola 25 years ago, fresh from martial law. To explain my point further, let me share my own experience:

Back in those days, when i was still in high school i figured in a street rumble kay uso lagi ning mga gang ug frat. Wa ko kabantay naa na diay pulis (PC-INP) sa akong likod, gikalit lang ko liab sa kwelyo sabay gi "BUTTSTROKE" ko sa iyang armalite. Ang mindset sa society during that time is NORMAL scenario ra nang e buttstroke ka or makulatahan or ma-sipaan ka sa pulis in public.

In contrast today, no cop will be stupid enough to do such acts in broad daylight coz he might lose his job. I hope you guys get my point. IMO, mahimo na moot and academic even pointless kung mangita pa ta sa mga gitawag nga "suspects" or "perpetrators" sa Mendiola Massacre. Because the real perpetrators if we wanna call it that way, is the SYSTEM itself. And i believe since that time, many changes have taken place for the better. Textbooks had been rewritten, the rules of engagement has drastically improved, and the concept of maximum tolerance.

on a social and behavioral context, you are right. the culture of how the law was imposed and enforced was different then and now attributed mainly to the iron fist of the martial law. the atrocious behavior of state agents (police, military, etc.) was seen as manifestations of the heavy-handed state intent with silencing dissent. the state saw the use of brutal force as necessary to impose its machinations on the populace: blanket brutal force against organized dissent, or petty crimes and negligible violations.

however, to use this as a justification in absolving anybody involved in the massacre, saying that the country and the state agents involved had a "hangover" of the martial law, is absurd. one of the many reasons being the suspension of the rule of law, which means immunity to the law, to parties implicated.

if we use this as a defense of those accused, the setting will not be different with some scenarios where "culture" goes above the law:

• areas in Mindanao where every the ownership of a high powered rifle is accepted and practiced as normal, clearly a gross violation of the law prohibiting possession high caliber firearms.
• certain communities and areas inside this country's metropolitan cities where petty crimes are considered a fact of life and nobody even cares to report them even if the personalities implicated are known and are present all the time.
• government offices with a culture of corruption at all levels; anybody who blows the whistle gets isolated, ostracized, and demonized.

this breeds impunity, the culture of being exempted from punishment for gross violation of laws; laws which as one might add in the context of the Mediola Massacre, are already at place even before, during, and after martial law.

because the issue here is not about the presence of absence of maximum tolerance on that fateful day. the issue is that a massacre happened and somebody has to answer for it.

[cliff_drew]

Did you read the case? It was dismissed because the lawyer was incompetent. The court basically told him he should have filed a case only against the military officers and not the State. Also, theres no conviction because that was a civil case, not a criminal case. Though I get your point, the weak reasoning of some posters here that what happened was normal because of past martial law is bullshit. Whats the point of having a "democratic" government under a housewife then? So we can have a lousy suck ass government AND also continue human rights abuses? Weak...

Somethis smells rotten about this incident. All roads lead to Hacienda Luisita... By the way now that Corona is gone, whats happened to the other HL case?

That's why I stated the reason. I didn't agree either not to find the perpetrators and bring justice to the victims.

[paintableguy]

how brutal this event was, still no convictions and the govt muted/deaf /blind against this one, reopen the case to convict the killers