Religious icons, 'Ivory Worship' and ivory smuggling in PHL

[simegchel]

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bang! mao nani ron. tsk. tsk.

[jiro]

nyahahahaha!...

[battouter]

sabotabol ng mga karaan nga rebulto katong panahon pa sa kastila og katong gikan sa dili pa gi ban ang ivory. pero ayaw ug kahibulong kung naa nay mga "blood ivory" items ang mga animal. mao sad nay bisyo anang mga hinampak.

[SPRINGFIELD_XD_40]

@ EEZYCHAIR

If you do know what condescending means, you will realize I am not speculating but stating a fact. Where was I not being civil in my posts? And by being condescending, it is you who is behaving like a minor and I would not want to go down to that level. Now I have more respect for 'ordinary' members' opinions and posts as these are spontaneous and do reflect their thoughts without the air of superiority. Posts that you sometimes also rebuke, just like FAQ's above.

Then spill your facts. All you came up with was an attitude of being a person who thinks he is all that. Dakong sayop na. You could have asked me to explain it, but you explicitely demanded me to DISPUTE it. Dont you think there s a fine line and now you are talking about FACTS when all you had are copy and paste articles that contains only opinions ? Where are the facts there ? You never answered my inquiries , all you had were excuses. Seriously , dont act like you are all that.

FAQ ? Lol ! Dont even go there unless you want to do your homework first.

You seem to be wrong with the information you are sharing for why would vatican 'suspend' this person only recently and be requesting for documents and information on this case (as explained by Archbishop Palma) 2 decades after the incident? What is to reopen if it was never closed in the first place? Will you be taking the same line as the CBCP who is now saying this is because of the RH Bill?

There goes the bias and just like one forumer here who identified your objectives regarding issues concerning the church , you will twist it if needed. If you can manage to come up with issues , atleast do the homework of checking the other side of the coin. You will find out that it did was closed .

No. Unless they (the professionals) start receiving confessions from priests or leading people to a moral path.

Lagpas kaayo ka dong. If that is the case, then I better see you created threads once in awhile involving people who are accused of or say subjected to cases and issues like RAPE , SMUGGLING and the likes as long as dili ni sila mga member sa religious community. I better see that , but then again , expecting somehting from you would be focused only to the church and nothing else. Nothing is wrong with that either, the church loves criticisms specially from people like you. Thats what makes us stronger.

Maybe it's just me, but I don't see where I am 'generalizing' in this statement. In fact, the 'priest and now monsignor' specifically points to the man involved in this controversy, so how can that be a generalization?

Like I said , if you dont associate him with the church just because of the errors he allegedly committed, then there would be no reason for you to say also that he is a leader and we are the flock and something shady in between that projects like we will be damned also because of the word SUPPOSED. He is only an individual , he is not the proponent of the church. But isnt that what you are trying to say here about the church?

Am I making this difficult for you? You can just ignore my comments if it does. I am only replying to your comments but am expressing myself too for others who read and follow this thread.

Dili ba simple ra jud kaayo and you made it so complicated? I only said " talk about CHRIS GARCIA and dont associate him with he CHURCH since the church has nothing to do with it ". Sus nimo oi , we are going in circles here , di man ka mo angkon gud sa tuyo nimo . You created this thread obviously for the mere purpose of attacking the church , Garcia issues are only something for the forumers to talk about . I am only making a point here while you are having the luxury of criticizing and delivering baseless claims. Dayon ra ba ka ug liko ug twist pirme.

So now I am getting into your nerves? Perhaps it is because of your biases. But nonetheless, that is irrelevant to the issue here.

Look who is talking , that came from you and not from me. Ikaduha , being annoying equates to getting into the nerves ? Ayaw pag pataka ug pasagad.

Such statements are unbecoming of a moderator. It is too subjective and judgemental and I or any istoryan expressing our opinions do not deserve such disrespect. How can we expect balance in moderation if by expressing our opinions the moderator says we are trying to make ourselves feel important? You of all people should know it is basic in fora like this to 'attack the post and not the poster'

Like I said, act like a kid and you will be treated like a kid. Check your attitude the moment you demanded me to dispute you in a manner where you could have asked me to explain it further rather than defensively position yourself in the thread. Too many excuses na ka hap.

[eezychair]

OT: ^^fyi, i meant your being condescending as the fact, and not anything related to the thread topic. Didn't you get that? How can i expect you to comprehend my statements if you couldn't even get that. And the forumer who questioned my objectives, backread and see that unlike you, he acknowledged that i made sense. As for your other comments, am not wasting my time hairsplitting. Talk about Garcia and his case then.

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It's a private property, and the agents should have known better. Besides, do they really think they can expect cooperation on this when doing so will only make matters worse for their man of interest?

[SPRINGFIELD_XD_40]

How can I be acting such attitude of trying to be a SUPERIOR to you? Specially to you ? I could really care less . First , I dont know you. Second , previous threads and exchanges happened in a manner similar to these or worst , ad hominems. I could have sanction or award you already but you did not see that coming .

That would be another other excuse , but then again, I wont blame you. Just because I am a MOD ? Kamabaw pod nimo intawn .

Yeah just like that . Talk about MSGR CHRIS GARCIA and dont drag the name of the church just because the subject belongs to it. Simple ra jud kayao sa ? Mangita lang gyud ta ug lukot.

[ottski]

sakto jud na brod. daghan raba ga.ingon nga c msgr. garcia kay komedyante raba to. basin na mis.understood lang ni christy.

naa bay solid link ang author sa illegal ivory trading to philippines?

how much is much? how many is many?

..pila kabuok ang naa sa mini-museum sa Pari?
kanus-a ni na carved ang mga statues?

ako ning g.question cz this reporting is a matter of perspective.. kay pwede man e-report ni Christy nga grabi ka zealous ang Cebuanos towards sto. nino..

as a devotee of sto. nino, we should approach this with a skeptical mind? 'cz you know what, personally i felt slighted by how the article was presented.. i respect the rights of the wild, much more the elephants.. but criticisms like these should be verified meticulously..

[ottski]

Brod, for info lang. Kanang sto. nino exhibit sa mall kay dili na iyaha. sa mall jud na mismo nga project. igo lang sad siya nibutang sa iyang collections kauban pud sa ubang mga collectors ug deboto sa sto. nino. Dili na iyaha tanan.

Kana si Monsignor Garcia, maayong tawo na cya pero, naa lang koy pero, hypocrite kaayo na cya labina mag display cya sa mg collection nya sa mall. manindog ako balhibo na aduna pay ludhanan sa sulod sa iyang exhibit dha gyud exactly sa sulod sa mall.

Dako kaayong sayop na motudlo sya sa paagi unsaon pag smuggle. Although I do believe nakat-onan pud nya sa mga smuggler. sa kadak-on sa iyang lawas, mag lisod na sya ug dagan, nya binabaye pa gyud, so dili na cya mahimo na smuggler.

[3nZ0y]

naa bay solid link ang author sa illegal ivory trading to philippines?

Ivory trading is illegal INTERNATIONALLY.

as a devotee of sto. nino, we should approach this with a skeptical mind? 'cz you know what, personally i felt slighted by how the article was presented.. i respect the rights of the wild, much more the elephants.. but criticisms like these should be verified meticulously..

No. As a devotee of the Holy Child you must understand that the ivory figure is nothing but a representation. You are not worshiping the figurine or Msgr. Garcia. You must worship the Holy Child Himself.

[mAlD|tO]

G A R C I A nasad? heheheh pero hopefully dilang unta ni diha ra kutob ang simbahan...