Religious icons, 'Ivory Worship' and ivory smuggling in PHL

[necrotic freak]

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Did you read the article? You will appreciate the position taken by Archbishop Palma on this. Or you'd rather speculate on my objective. So what is it? I am merely providing information that it is not quite right to exclude the church where this man belongs to as even his superiors are now affected and is doing something about it just as the government agencies in their investigations are looking into the connections. .

Well obviously, that should be the position of Archbishop Palma on this, and i appreciate it.

This story should not undermine your beliefs or mine. It is a worldly event and is bereft of the divinity we have in our churches so let's leave it at that.

..and that makes sense..

[geo25]

wla lgi q kasabot ngano ang news ingon na affected ang cebu? ang pari ra'y angayan ma-affected ani.

[SPRINGFIELD_XD_40]

Dissociate him from what? As a priest and now monsignor, he leads a faithful flock to a 'supposed' moral path. His position has a lot to do with his errors, so dispute that.

Yati ra ug dispute ? Kuyawa na gud nimo dong.

You think the church and the faithfuls are condoning to his erring actions ?

Does that make RC " smugglers " because one of its leaders allegedly smuggled ivory ?

Like i said in another thread, this is one reason why Christ is against religion. But that's OT so i'd leave it at that.

On the other hand, it pains me to see droves of 'faithful' still awed by these kind of religious leaders. I wonder how they will defend such behaviour.

You tried with fashion sympathizing the people you love to mock . NINDOT . Unless the " LEADERS " you are talking about was just Msgr Garcia or basin typo lang na.

Like i said in another thread, this is one reason why Christ is against religion. But that's OT so i'd leave it at that

Unless you can tell me that the action of Msgr Garcia reflects how bad ROMAN CATHOLIC are then it is not OT. Stop generalizing , pa OMG OMG pa ka mura ka ug korek like it is something new.

or unless yuo can tell PRESTIGE that get his point of views responsibly shared with taste .

What the hell dude, I can't believe that hypocrites engaged rampant illegal trading of ivories. The allies of the said priest defend that monsignor Garcia's collection of ivory religious images were acquired a long time ago before the law was implemented and elephants were not endangered at that time. Haha, it's a form of blasphemy. Let DENR do the investigation.

We dont know , maybe DENR is ang ally ciguro ni Msgr Garcia .

OT: They cannot be minions if they compromise your belief in God. That would make them the enemy.

Contradicting yourself now ? Are stucked in the notion identifying persons or a person here ? Or another form generalization ?

Let this church then dissociate itself with this embarrassment.

Huh ? Did you even bother read the news article ? Why would the churchdissociate within when the affected was only an erring person thus the investigation ? Regardless of the outcome , what embarassment would it provide ? That ROMAN CATHOLICS are SMUGGLERS ?

Like I said , talk about CHRIS GARCIA and his actions / activities associated with SMUGGLING . The church , faithfuls has nothing to do with the trouble he is facing right now.

[DEMONOCIETY]

ang akong katingalahan ky diin man sab na gikan ang ivory nga wa man kaayo ty elephante dha pinas? d ba kaha na gikan sa thailand? dayon import sa ato (as palusot)?

[DEMONOCIETY]

ok sorry got the answer tanzania man diay gikan

here's another news > MANILA, Philippines: Philippines to question priest over ivory trade - World Wires - MiamiHerald.com

[Bears Grill]

@Spring, I agree with you 100%. Msgr Garcia's actions are in no way a reflection of the values of RC and its adherents.

But I also understand @eezychair's reaction. He's criticizing the hierarchy itself, with Msgr Garcia as one of its higher ranking clergyman. Understand that the hierarchy is a fraternity. The unwritten rule is that the name of the institution must be protected at all cost and in all times. That's why cover-ups are usually the norm when it comes to priests/bishops who are involved in some crime (e.g. s-e-x abuse, child molestation/rape, money laundering, ivory smuggling, etc). There's a lot we do not know about what goes on behind the scenes, all the power play that's involved and all the intimidation which flows from the top.

As far as the Vatican is concerned, of utmost importance is the obedience of its flock to its authority and the defense of its reputation at all cost. But if you asked Fr. Tom Doyle (Catholic priest and Canon Law expert), he'll tell you:

"They ought to sell the Vatican to the Mormons or to Disney or something and start all over again."--Fr. Tom Doyle

I would like to point out that that quote didn't come from me.

[necrotic freak]

"So you must obey them and do everything they tell you. But do not do what they do, for they do not practice what they preach." - Matthew 23:2

[Code Talker]

I'm Catholic. If tinuod ni na report and tinuod tong gipang quote gikan sa NatGeo reporter, nag pa kaulaw lng jud ning mga "Padre Damaso". tsk tsk tsk. usa kahay comment ni Archbishop Palma ani?

[SPRINGFIELD_XD_40]

@ BEARS GRILL ...

Murag mga mason diay ni sila ? Unless you are exerting that it takes one to know one , then I have to disagree with you on that.

As far as the Vatican is concerned, of utmost importance is the obedience of its flock to its authority and the defense of its reputation at all cost.

This should be understood like the bible , that for us to clearly see its importance, it is referring to the " PROTEST " and not the REPUTATION of the each and individual erring members of the church.

But if you asked Fr. Tom Doyle (Catholic priest and Canon Law expert), he'll tell you:

"They ought to sell the Vatican to the Mormons or to Disney or something and start all over again."--Fr. Tom Doyle

Hey ... you cant blame him if he indeed said that. Afterall , if you look closely to his works , he is the modern day " MARTIN LUTHER ". Targeting Pope Benedict XVI.

OT na man ani hehehe .

[jangska]

A newborn elephant has to be orphaned, survive on his own, get his mom killed, and tusks sawed off so one statue-kissing scumbag collector can get his ivory statue.

Sick Religion.


As a matter of fact: Elephants are like humans, they crowd over a dead relative and attempt to wake it up. They even cry like humans.

sakto jud bai mura sad jud ni sila ug mga tao.

lagpas sad jud kaayo ning uban pari mahal sad kaayo ug mga trip ivory jud.

di sad jud ko kasabot ngano mo worship ug statue for representation nga kung i.base sa bible gisuwat jud dito nga bawal.

ngano mangita paman jud ug representation kung about sa faith ang pag worship.

plus dapat kahibaw ni sila nga walay dapat lain simbahon kung di ang ginoo ra. pero ang mga pari mismo godlike kaayo ug uban ang pari nay simbahon sa mga tao mao na ilang ipraise naa pay mga misa nga about politika ug lifestory ra nila ang ipang sulti. contradict kaayo gipang suwat sa biblya.