View Poll Results: was th philippines better off with marcos?

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  • yes

    11 34.38%
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    19 59.38%
  • its the same

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  1. #411

    Default Re: PD#1081 - Martial Law after 40 years


    Quote Originally Posted by balipseyev View Post
    The first years of martial law was necessary, na sobra-an lang kay ni cling na gyud sa power si Marcos...
    likewise sa atong democracy karon, na sobra-an napod...

  2. #412

    Default Re: PD#1081 - Martial Law after 40 years

    Naa koy nakit-an na short film documentary about sa mga Cojuanco nga naay political influence sa atoa nasud. Akoa lang sa to pangitaon para ma-share diri. Pero I'm not concluding na tinoud gyud, since wala man ko sa maayong position mo-judge nila. Pero naay posibilidad kay makita man nato ang affiliation sa mga Cojuanco ka Marcos hangtud karon sa present years. Akoa sad nahunahunaan, wala kaha gihimo na "sacrificial lamb" si Ninoy para sa ilang political agenda? Though, mga pangagpas ra sad na ang akoa.

    Birthday ra ba diay ni Marcos kagahapon, wala na nako tuyoa ha? Coincidence ra sad siguro nga ako nahimo ang thread kagahapon.

  3. #413

    Default Re: PD#1081 - Martial Law after 40 years

    Salamat sa pagklaro sir. Pareha ta wala mga first-hand experience atong panahuna pero daghan man ta kaila naa didto. Sa akong side, akong lolo naa sa media ato, then akong papa naa sa military. Although pro-Ninoy to sila, dili lang to sila gusto sa mga kauban ni Ninoy kay daghan komunista. Bilib man pud sila ni Marcos pero later on katong klaro na magdiktador na iyang tuyo, wala na gyud sila ganahi ato samot na to tiguwang dautan na siya.

    Kasagaran sa akong napangutana ani bilib gyud sila ni Marcos pero tungod sab ni Marcos mao naglisod ta ron kay pagkawala niya daghan ni sunod (dili sa iyang pagkamaayong presidente kung di sa iyang pagkamaayo mangurakot).


    Quote Originally Posted by sakagawasan View Post
    Mga Sir, pasensya na karon ra ko nakabalik aning akoang thread. Sa pagkatinoud, nagbitay pa tawn ko sa itlog sa akoang amahan sa panahon sa martial law. Sa amoa pamilya, wala kaayo hisgut mahitungod niini. Ang akoa knowledge gikan ra gyud sa akoa nabasahan na mga articles ug mga documentaries(film). Mao mga pangutana lang sad ni nako sa inyoha kung naa mo first hand experience during that time ug unsa ang inyo baruganan basi sa inyong kaugalingon panukiduki(research).

    Kung basehan ang kalambuan sa ekonomiya, naapsan nata sa atoa mga silingan na unta naa man ta sa ibabaw sa una. By the way, ang mga progresibong tuig sa diktadorya para nako kay ang 1st quarter, the rest nabuta na sa kaagap sa gahum si Marcos. Ang nakapait sa iya ra ba tanan napahid ang tanan nabuhat na salaud, pero ang mga cronies nga nagpaluyo kaniya, maoy labing nabulahan.

    Ang sa peace and order, murag lahi na kaayo karon panahuna, dili na kaayo inana kadaghan ang nangapil sa mass rally. Kung atong mabantayan, kompara sa una, maihap na lang ang mga tiunay na aktibista ang uban na nagpadaghan sa ihap kay mga binayran. Sa pagkakaron, inanay na sad og gimok sa paglihok ang mga walhon na pundok. Pareha sad sa mga separitista na pundok sa Mindanao. Pero hinuon mas kusgan ang pwersa sa atoang kagamhanan karon, ug wala na kaayo simpatiya ang masa kanila. Louy lang kaayo ang mga nangapagan sa insurhensya.

    Pero ambot lang, wala ko kasabot kung magpasalamat ko o masubo o mahadlok kay tungod wala na sa kadalanan ang mga demonstration kay ang mga walhon na pundok naa na naglingkod sa kongreso.

    Nghinaut lang sad ko na dili nani mausab diri sa atoa nasud bisan pa nga sa tanan diktadorya, gamay2x lang ang nakalas na kinabuhi kompara sa nghitabo sa ubang nasud.

    Mga brod/sis, gawasnon ta mosibya sa atong tingog ani na thread. Regardless of political beliefs and affiliation.

  4. #414

    Default Re: PD#1081 - Martial Law after 40 years

    mao diay ni ang naghimo sa short film.
    Lets Fight Filipino Ignorance - YouTube
    I am not sure kung propaganda ni or naa sad siyay factual evidences.

    Pasensya na kung OT na siguro pero murag marelate man sad nato gamay sa topic.

  5. #415

    Default Re: PD#1081 - Martial Law after 40 years

    Ang ako lang na.obserbahan atong panahuna kay ang mga taw, pwerting pagkadisiplina pero sa sayop nga hinungdan. Ang disiplina tungod kay nangahadlok nga mangadakpan ug ma.silutan, dili tungod kay kina.iya da.an ang pag.ka.disiplina (sama sa mga hapon).

    Paglabay sa panahon, nga ang mga militar ug PC, tungod sad sa katungdanan nga na.a kanila, ug tungod sad nga nakita nila nga nangahadlok ang mga taw nila, nigawas ang pagka abusado.

    Nakita nako ang duha ka dili maayong kinaiya nga 'built-in' diay sa kasagaran nga mga pilipino: Ug dili pangus.gan (iron hand rule), dili maminaw ug dili madisiplina. Ug mataga.an sad ug gahum, mu.abusar.

    Pag.abot sa panahon nga ang nang.abusar nanumbra na, ug ang gidisiplina nga katawhan nakakita aning mga pag.abusar naka.amgo nga wala ray pulos ang ilang pagkadisiplinado kay mada.og ra gihapon sa mga abusado, diha na nga ningsugod ang ilang pagsupak ug sa kadugayan ang pag.supak nahimong lihok sa kadaghanan mao nga nisukol na dayon ang katawhan kay naa may nahimong rason nga magkahiusa na sila.

    Unfortunately, some people used the collective dismay of the majority to advance their own interests. These are the opportunists who, having the resources, organized different movements to successfully oust the dictator. These 'organizers' are now those who presently rule the government and huge businesses that lord it over the political and economic horizon in our country. EDSA 1 did not change anything, except the hands that rule it over this country.

    That being said, I would venture to say no, nothing changed in the situation of the 'common tao' since the imposition of Martial Law by Marcos. Only the rich opportunists became richer and the gullible poor, poorer. The Filipinos in general, the mindsets of the 'common tao' did not change at all, thinking all will be well after the change of leadership. That was 25 years ago after which the NEW breed of Politicians continued the OLD ways of playing on the gullibility of the people to get themselves into office while the people too went back to the old ways of apathy and political patronage where they vote into office people based on relations and not on capacity. 5 presidents have served since Marcos. The names and affiliations of these presidents speak for themselves. Unless the people themselves realize they are the cause of everything that happens with their choice of leaders in every election, from the president down to the last barangay official, the state of our nation will only be as good as the promises given by these politicians who are voted into office.

    That is my opinion. And btw, I lived through martial law, including the time when my dad was under 'surveillance' by the military, not because he was an insurgent or in the opposition (my dad is an artist so he didn't really care about politics) but rather only because he happened to be the son of a prominent leader in the '20s to '40s (imagine?!). That was how insecure the government was back then.
    Last edited by eezychair; 09-11-2012 at 10:23 AM.

  6. #416

    Default Re: PD#1081 - Martial Law after 40 years

    Quote Originally Posted by Renz8 View Post
    Mao ba suheto lagi ka noh pla dia emo edad bradMurag related man ka ni Marcos tingali ug wala ko masayop kai the way you talk murag kaila jud ka nila kai grabe man ka maka pak2x sa iya admin gud........
    my age is young enough... naminaw ug nag basa ko sah libro.. nag skwela.. ayaw pag binogo dra.

    the truth.. after the war. communism is rapidly expanding in asia, communist was one of the major problems in the philippines during the 50's up to the 90's including those pesky mnlf. and the crude oil embargoes implemented by the saudi's during the 70's?? made the collapse of centavos like prices in gas prices (bet you dont know that).. never like the marcos, dont know them. but the martial law?? it was necessary, only it was abused in the later part... mostly by cronies..

    give some intelligent post. and ill answer you intelligently. skwela sah lolo. ayaw pagka ignorante dira.. maluoy ka sah sunod nimo generasyon napuno ug "kuno" ang nahibaw-an

  7. #417

    Default Re: PD#1081 - Martial Law after 40 years

    ^^ you know you're right. The people's attention is always focused on the leader and not those around him - the cronies. So what else is new nowadays? One only has to look at the 'cronies' of even the lowest barangay official and one will see if the leader is truly in control or if he is just a figurehead or worse, a puppet. Reminds me of the current imbroglio Rico Puno of DILG is involved in at the moment.

    Marcos' dream for the country was great. But so are the dreams of those before him and those that followed him from Cory up to her son now. But then again, these dreams are made of promises, and promises that remain just that - promises. But we can also add slogans like 'green revolution' or 'Bagong Lipunan' or 'Tuwid na Daan'. Nice sound bites, but reality bites harder and is more painful.

  8. #418

    Default Re: PD#1081 - Martial Law after 40 years

    wa pman jud ko matawo aning panahona,pru sko tan-aw wla man juy kauisaban ui,mas ni grabe pman gni nuon ang kahimtang,kay sauna kno ang pan tag P.50 centavos, mabungog nkag kinaon,kron bsag candy di nka kaplit sa in ana na worth.nuon sa dollar,mka ingon ka maau,kay dako nag exchange rate,pru sa other aspect like sa mga pmaliton,gamiton,etc, mahal nman kaau...

  9. #419

    Default Re: PD#1081 - Martial Law after 40 years

    if it wasnt for 1081, i wouldnt call you bai, ill call you comrade... btw i was born during this years and did experienced it... strikto but worth it... ako papa was PC that time.. and the sametime our family is in the hitlists sa taga PAF...
    Last edited by salbahis; 09-11-2012 at 11:32 AM.

  10. #420

    Default Re: PD#1081 - Martial Law after 40 years

    Sobra pa kaayo boss, ang .25 centavos nimo sa una ingon sa akoa nanay, 5 naka dagko na pan(mas dagko pa sa atoa tagsingko karon). Ang iya sulti sa amoa, 1.50 ra gyud na ang iya bawn kada semana, ang plete gikan sa syudad padung pauli sa ilaha, .25 pa tawn.

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