Need your opinion regarding religion in the Family..

[sakagawasan]

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Sir, nakabalo na ang imo parents about sa iyang pagshift sa lain na sect? Kay sa akoa all in the family are Roman Catholics except nako. Akoa man gi-explain sa ilaha og tarong na dili nako mokuyog og simba sa ilaha every sunday. Mao na dili na mamugos ang akoa mama pakuyogon ko og simba. Basin maistoryaan ra gyud ni ninyo og tarong bai.

Kay sa iyang sitwasyon man gud murag napugos ra man siya og simba cause nabutang na nga tradition sa pamilya ang pagkuyog og simba.

[psyche54]

^^^ @sakagawasan, Thanks pud kaayo sir for sharing your experience...

Actually sir, I wanted to tell her that if it is already against her conscience to attend the mass, ok lang sa amo rather than magpakaarong-ingnon siya nga mosimba for the sake of family devotion, but I find it hard telling her kay basin ma-offend. And sa ako tanaw ron, mura close pa kaayo iya mind about ana...

Sad to say man gud sir, although aware na ako mga parents, but naa man gud sila sa Mindanao, while kami naa mi diri ga-work... Ako mismo naa nay pamilya, and naa siya gapuyo sa amo kay naa man siya diri trabaho sa Cebu.

Although there is a part in me that is telling me not to let her go as well as my brother & sisters, but she's a grown up lady na. It's her choice... Pero para sa amoa, nasakitan lang among family that it seems she's listening and giving everything to her fellow church members than us. We felt being betrayed and thrashed...

But hey, she's my sister after all, and we will accept whatever she choose... It's just that we cannot foresee how will we adjust with this, as we always celebrate xmas together, we only missed few years on simbang gabi. I remember during our childhood, we used to tell each other what we wished during those simbang gabi...

We will really miss her if dili na siya mukuyog namo...

[VinOKufuLa]

mahitbo ani maminyo sa lain religion. hitabo na amoa. pait lang jud kay pasiatab sa ila religion, maayo iban na lang kaha no

[psyche54]

Guys,

Anyway thanks sa tanan ninyong advices...

I finally had time & courage to talk to my sister about it. How I wanted to have enlightened her mind and regained her trust but it only came out to be a disappointing and disheartening one...

How I wish I could keep our conversation between us lang, but I wanted to share this lang basin naa pa jud pud mi'y mahimo about the situation...

Well as expected, her new religion is trying to twist facts about the practices and tradition that we Catholics do follow. It's disheartening for my whole family, that she no longer believes on the importance of Communion, Confession and other sacraments that we Catholics do have. For her, making sign of the cross is an earthly practice that man only created. Kneeling down on the liturgy of the body is irrelevant and completely earthly... She stated long list of facts ngano sayop gyud atong practices nga mga katoliko. We wanted to argue, but me & my wife were able to maintain our composure and instead of arguing what is wrong or right, we just told her that our family prays that whatever doubts she had sa atong mga Catholics, iyang pagatanawon ug paga-amguhan ang kamatuoran... Lisod na nimo lalison kay mura na ug experto sa bibliya ug feeling na nga siya/sila ang sakto...

Lisod kaayo tanawon nga iyang arguments klaro kaayo nga nakuha na niya sa iyang bagong simbahan. How I wish I could defend it when they tried to twist few facts for my sister to cast doubts over her previous religion... I have great respect for other sects and it would remain that way forever.

Again I beg for your understanding esp. sa mga dili pud Catholics as I don't want to raise any arguments about the practices that we both have.

[cebu.opportunities]

That's why it's important to read the Bible (what Christians use) so that you will know. You cannot defend the statements she has had exposed if you do not take time to learn and/or know what's really written and felt as true.

[psyche54]

That's why it's important to read the Bible (what Christians use) so that you will know. You cannot defend the statements she has had exposed if you do not take time to learn and/or know what's really written and felt as true.

Nope I think you missed my point sir...

The only reason sir nga dili ko mu-tubag is I don't want to argue over what she believes what is right or wrong. I myself is a member of charismatic community and a member of music ministry... And dili pud ko ihalas bahin sa Bible sir...

I know there is a thin line on that issue, that is why it is useless to raise arguments when you are reading the same bible.

Pero mao ra ni ako pangutana sir. Ngano kinahanglan man dauton ang usa ka sect/relihiyon para lang ma-convince nimo ang usa ka tawo? Di ba pwede that you preach people w/o misleading them on practices of other sects/religion esp. if devotee pa siya ana nga relihiyon? Ngano kinahanglan man itanum sa ilang utok nga useless ang practices sa uban ug wala kani'y basehan matud pa nila?

[cebu.opportunities]

It depends on how you see the situation. If it's misleading others or not. I don't know what right words to say if "gidaot" ba jud or what...

Sige lang. Your mind is set on your devotion of being a Catholic and your sister's "mind" is already "set" on other "sector's". "Religion" is really a very sensitive matter so hopefully both of you will respect each other's views nlng. Pwede rmn gihapon mo mag-bond on some other time and on different venue. We have to accept nga they are things we have to learn to let go.

[SioDenz]

Guys,

Anyway thanks sa tanan ninyong advices...

I finally had time & courage to talk to my sister about it. How I wanted to have enlightened her mind and regained her trust but it only came out to be a disappointing and disheartening one...

How I wish I could keep our conversation between us lang, but I wanted to share this lang basin naa pa jud pud mi'y mahimo about the situation...

Well as expected, her new religion is trying to twist facts about the practices and tradition that we Catholics do follow. It's disheartening for my whole family, that she no longer believes on the importance of Communion, Confession and other sacraments that we Catholics do have. For her, making sign of the cross is an earthly practice that man only created. Kneeling down on the liturgy of the body is irrelevant and completely earthly... She stated long list of facts ngano sayop gyud atong practices nga mga katoliko. We wanted to argue, but me & my wife were able to maintain our composure and instead of arguing what is wrong or right, we just told her that our family prays that whatever doubts she had sa atong mga Catholics, iyang pagatanawon ug paga-amguhan ang kamatuoran... Lisod na nimo lalison kay mura na ug experto sa bibliya ug feeling na nga siya/sila ang sakto...

Lisod kaayo tanawon nga iyang arguments klaro kaayo nga nakuha na niya sa iyang bagong simbahan. How I wish I could defend it when they tried to twist few facts for my sister to cast doubts over her previous religion... I have great respect for other sects and it would remain that way forever.

Again I beg for your understanding esp. sa mga dili pud Catholics as I don't want to raise any arguments about the practices that we both have.

Basin Networking to iya nasudlan bro?

Bitaw, For me its the worst thing to do if you engage in a debate with your sis kay lalis ray padulngan ana. I have been participating in some religious debate here in istorya and bisag muabot pag 1 milyon ka Post nimu lisod kaayu usbon ang tinuhuan kay mag cge ra ug depensa so di jud mu maghuman ana. And beside if makig debati ka about teachings ni simang naka sa imung point about respect. Ni mention baya ka nga OK ra nimu balhin siya so di solusyon ang discussion sa teachings.

If ako ana, mao ni akong approach:
- tell her about respecting other belief. Ask her if unsay teachings sa ilang religion about Respect other peoples belief. Nga para ninyu ni respect mu family sa iyang choice and sakto ra sad nga mu respito siya sa inyu belief.
- And if you want to go deeper, ingna siya nga ang Judgment ig balik pa sa Ginoo. way lain maka judge sa tawo if sakto ba or sayop kundi ang Ginoo ra. SO since naa pata ngari, nagcge pata ug pangita sa kamatuuran so DAPAT lan cguro RESPITUHON natu nag tagsa tagsa ka pagtuo ug practices kay kanang atung gibarugan run duna pay chance masayop.
- And lastly sa inyu na part, maybe its time to let her go nlan if asa siya musimba. Dili nlan cguro pugson ug pasimba sa inyu simbahan kay musamot. Pero di kalimtan ang pag monitor sa iyang activities like kanang nga retreats kay daghan baya na sa ilaha. Ug mas maayu cgru nga ipakita ninyu niya nga ni respect mu niya bisag ni change siya para makita sad niya bah.

In the end, ang maayung buhat nga inyung ipakita niya maoy pinaka daku nga evidence nga bisag nalahi siya mao ra ghapon inyung respect, love ug support niya para sad makakita siya then mu respect sad siya sa inyu.

[NChixBudLotIce]

respect kunohay ta sa religion sa uban.

sila kaha, nagrespect sa atua? mogara man hinuon, abi nilag lupig na ta

[psyche54]

Basin Networking to iya nasudlan bro?

Bitaw, For me its the worst thing to do if you engage in a debate with your sis kay lalis ray padulngan ana. I have been participating in some religious debate here in istorya and bisag muabot pag 1 milyon ka Post nimu lisod kaayu usbon ang tinuhuan kay mag cge ra ug depensa so di jud mu maghuman ana. And beside if makig debati ka about teachings ni simang naka sa imung point about respect. Ni mention baya ka nga OK ra nimu balhin siya so di solusyon ang discussion sa teachings.

If ako ana, mao ni akong approach:
- tell her about respecting other belief. Ask her if unsay teachings sa ilang religion about Respect other peoples belief. Nga para ninyu ni respect mu family sa iyang choice and sakto ra sad nga mu respito siya sa inyu belief.
- And if you want to go deeper, ingna siya nga ang Judgment ig balik pa sa Ginoo. way lain maka judge sa tawo if sakto ba or sayop kundi ang Ginoo ra. SO since naa pata ngari, nagcge pata ug pangita sa kamatuuran so DAPAT lan cguro RESPITUHON natu nag tagsa tagsa ka pagtuo ug practices kay kanang atung gibarugan run duna pay chance masayop.
- And lastly sa inyu na part, maybe its time to let her go nlan if asa siya musimba. Dili nlan cguro pugson ug pasimba sa inyu simbahan kay musamot. Pero di kalimtan ang pag monitor sa iyang activities like kanang nga retreats kay daghan baya na sa ilaha. Ug mas maayu cgru nga ipakita ninyu niya nga ni respect mu niya bisag ni change siya para makita sad niya bah.

In the end, ang maayung buhat nga inyung ipakita niya maoy pinaka daku nga evidence nga bisag nalahi siya mao ra ghapon inyung respect, love ug support niya para sad makakita siya then mu respect sad siya sa inyu.

Salamat kaayo sa imong mensahe sir...

Actually although sakit kaayo sa among pamilya nga mahitabo ning ingon ani as we never really expected it on our lifetime. Kay wa jud nagkuwang namo among ginikanan pagpahimangno pero it is what is ug wala nami'y mahimo...

Actually sir, tungod sa kadako sa among respeto sa iyang simbahan, kami na jud mismo ang motipas when it comes na to discussions about distinctions on both beliefs. Kay para nako, dili angay lalisan. Sa ako pang giingon, there is a thin line over that discussion, ug kami mismo sa among pamilya dili ganahan moabot pa sa ingon ana.

Siguro naging emotional lang mi ug among mga igsoon kay she's the darling of the crowd sa amoa... Ang tananG attention sa pagkabata pa mi, naa sa iya. Pagpanarbaho namu, gihatag namo ang unsay mahatag namo sa iya...

But anyways, mura naa pa siya sa stage karon nga mura nakahuna-huna nga sayop ang iyang naagiang simbahan.. Pero we're cool about it... We take the situation positively...

Yup and tinuod sir, nga pagkadaghan kaayo sa retreats.. Usahay mo-leave sa trabahoan tag 3 ka-adlaw kay naay retreat, seminar. But again, we are cool about it... Afterall she's a grown up lady na and she knows what she is doin'...