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[aldrin89]

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can someone explain this

these are the facts

1. obito ug si kakashi are at the same age so at present accdg to wikia 27-30 y.o sila.

2. iruka's current is age 26...

3. irukas parents died defending konoha from the kyuubis attack 12 years ago before the season starts. and fast forward 3 years sa current na season that makes it 15 years ago.

4. during kyuubi's attack of konoha Minato and Masked Obito fought

Question

1. iruka: current age 26 y.o -15 years= 11 years old during the kyuubi's attack.
2. kakashi and obito: 1 or 3 years older than iruka at the time the kyuubi attacked konoha was atleast 12-14 y.o

that would make the masked man fighting minato a 14 y.o boy uchiha obito...

watch this video of minato fighting the "masked guy" obito and see if you think hidden on those cloak is a 14 y.o boy..



since kakashi and obito are at the same age or atleast, minato was fighting a kid during this episode...

kani nga fighting scene ba maka libog, kung si Obito ni, ngano wala man siya kabaw sa mga jutso sa iyang master?

[vailixi]

my theory is some one is using obito's body

as for madara...

my theory is that someone or he himself plans to revive his ownself...

proof?



and who is kabuto reffering to when he said " i am "his" supporter...orochimaru? mao raman ako mathink na loyal si kabuto...

[vailixi]

hahahaha, ako pa ninyu, dli nlang mag theory2, mag huwat nlang sa next release kay uwaw masaup , ang AUTHOR ra sa naruto nakahibaw sa dagan sa storya

mao manang lingaw na part bro...ang mag guess2x...and beside the fact that its called "theories" doesn't mean na we are 100 percent sure....kung masayup dili mana uwaw kai to begin with it was just a "theory" =D some people find it fun to make theories bout their favorite anime some people dont..its just a matter of personal preferences...that is in my own humble opinion bro =D from an anime theorist...hehe have fun waiting for the coming next chapters =D

[FranZeno]

Still I would stick to my idea that Tobi has something to do with Yahiko or V/V, having Orochimaru being mentioned by Madara and Tobi being able to use Izanagi, and Tobi again being able to grow back a severed arm.

[onehuwan]

So Zetsu + Obito + = Tobi.

[gshukaku]

in the end it was all part of orochimaru's plan...toinks...mao ni akong gkulbaan nga pattern nga binuhatan ra diay ni tanan ni orochimaru sama...tks tks tsk

[ramen]

most of peeps here enjoy the tagna2x part. dli lang siguro nato himuon ni i-told-you-so na thread kay in the end, dli ta si kishi and we don't really know unsa ang naa sa iya utok. i would think the idea that obito as tobi crossed everybody's minds pero there are so many questions with that path mao na many peeps offered other theories to who tobi was. looking forward to the next chapters kay this could only get more exciting

[doi]

12-22-2007, 11:45 AM
mura bitaw.... Fibonacci daw nah ka lisud bya ana hahahahaha

Pain said "Madara ordered me to catch the Nine-Tails."
sO this clears up that tobi is madara.......... and i think he's also Uchiha Obito

hahaha the only reason why i signed up in istorya before was for this thread and spread the word that Obito is Tobi lol

sakto jud diay ko and usa nalang ang sa One Piece nalang ang meaning sa D (Dima)

[gshukaku]

share napud nko from other site...

Tobi=Obito BODY and MIND - Naruto Forums

Plothole Number 1: Tobi’s Power Level (chapters 500-504)
There is no way Obito could turn into an alpha dog shinobi who mastered S/T phasing and teleportation within a 1-2 year time frame. At 15 years old? No way... There is also no way Obito would know how to extract the Kyuubi, hypnotize it, control it like a puppet, and then summon it wherever the hell he wants to. And all of this is supposed to have happened 1-2 years after Obito supposedly died? That’s just not feasible.

Plothole Number 2: Personality U-turn (chapter 241 page 19)
"Of course those in the ninja world who break the rules and regulations are called trash... but those who don’t care about their companions are even worse than trash." Will of Fire talk from Obito. It makes no sense for him to suddenly manifest this unwavering vendetta against Konoha unless Tobi is just using Obito’s body as a vessel, in which case, Tobi isn’t really Obito anyway because his soul and spirit have nothing to do with it.

Plothole Number 3: Kushina Quote (chapter 501 page 7)
"Do you have ANY idea how long I’ve waited for this moment?" It’s a complete contradiction for Obito to say something like that when, hypothetically, he wouldn’t have been alive long enough to make that type of comment because Obito would have been 15 years old if he fought Minato. Tobi has probably had to wait DECADES for the opportunity to extract the Kyuubi from its host.

Plothole Number 4: Kyuubi recognised Tobi (chapter 501 page
The Kyuubi actually recognises Tobi and possibly knows who he is. If THAT doesn’t convince you, nothing will. The Kyuubi made a direct transfer from being sealed into Mito to being sealed into Kushina, so there is a fundamental contradiction for the Kyuubi to recognise anyone in the outside world when it was sealed for all that time. If the Kyuubi actually recognised Tobi, it means Tobi has to be someone who was alive during Hashirama/Madara’s generation.

Plothole Number 5: Tobi is too tall (chapter 503 page 9)
Tobi was shown to be adult sized when he fought Minato, chapter 503 page 5. But on page 9, Kakashi, Gai, Asuma and Kurenai are all shown to be much shorter as they are going through adolescence. Obito would have been around that size and is therefore too short to be Tobi.

Plothole Number 6: Minato would’ve figured it out (chapter 500-504)
If Tobi was really Obito, then Minato would have figured it out when they were fighting each other. Obito was Minato’s own student and would have recognised his chakra, but he didn’t.

Plothole Number 7: This is HIS doing (chapter 560 page 2)
"This is HIS doing." That means Madara knows exactly who Tobi is, but there is no way Madara could have worked with Obito because Madara had died already. We know this because by the time Nagato gets Madara's Rinnegan from Tobi, Madara is officially dead - "I awakened these eyes shortly before my death." (chapter 560 page 15). This is important because Nagato is older than Minato, and Minato is older than Obito.

Plothole Number 8: Hashirama Comparison (chapter 462 page 14)
Tobi says to Naruto "I can see the first Hokage in you." To make that type of comparison Tobi must have known what Hashirama was like as a person. Problem is, Hashirama was dead before Obito was born.

Plothole Number 9: During Our Battle (chapter 512 page 9)
"This is something I grew from living tissue I stole from him during our battle." Kabuto already revealed the Madara coffin so there was no reason for Tobi to keep lying. So if Tobi actually had a fight with Hashirama there is no way he could be Obito.

Plothole Number 10: Too Much Knowledge
It is impossible for Obito to know so much about the bloody history between the Senju clan and the Uchiha clan before Konoha was even established as a shinobi village. Tobi has to be someone from that generation. It is also impossible for Obito to know so much about Rikudou Sennin, his sons, the Bijuu and the Juubi.

THE BIGGEST PLOTHOLE OF THEM ALL

Plothole Number 11: Nagato is much older than Obito
(chapter 509 page 4)

Why is this important? Because Tobi GAVE Nagato the Rinnegan. In other words, it is impossible for Obito to have given kid Nagato the Rinnegan because Obito is much younger than Nagato.

[crossramz]

What comes in my mind is the soul transfer technic of orochimaru.. basin si izuna ni gamit lang sa lawas ni tobi..