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  1. #121

    Default Doing things differently


    Quote Originally Posted by mckoy_slipstream View Post
    thru the web and we start with what we have. let me tell you something. there are about 30,000 people here in the country who have contracts with odesk. and almost 3 million worldwide. do you think that even 1% of that population would waste a minute of their time on the web without profit? even DOTA players would love to kill someone before logging off.

    im the type who hates permits that's why i chose to be a stock trader working at home. but dont mislead the idea of your ofw bank comparing it to odesk or freelance.com. I'll check that sites out

    ofw bank, you envisioned that, the word "bank" itself is a depository of money, base on what you've been posting. dont judge that people are itching to earn. they just want to know if investments will be favorable. that's how it is. that's like the basis an ofw went abroad. he didnt want to be a samaritan, he needed to earn money and has assess that being an ofw is a great way to earn money. base on your post, there will be houses that will be built, educational plans, real time transactions, SALN. how can this be when we all just browse the web. people will need paypal, or some sort of visa card with money on it to transact online. and they are not fools to put money on a pool without knowing how to get the money back. even Manny Pangilinan and the Pacman himself who has billions would love to know if such undertaking will be beneficial. dont tell people to forget what we learn in school. why? are you saying that people shouldnt go to school anymore? i dont know if your an ofw or your just mocking them. ofw bank with zero cost? eh anu yung internet? that is cost already? what about the time they do on the web? and are majority of ofw adept in using online process? who will teach them? ikaw? who will pay to program that monitoring system of yours for the ofw bank transaction? how will the ofw bank financed housing projects? by pooling money from other ofw? grant loans to fellow ofw? You are still using and thinking the traditional way of doing things, as I said, start with a clean slate. Ask yourself, I want to achieve this "LIST", I have nothing except the internet in front of me, what business can I do. what would I need ??

    eto man ang concept mo. established a network of friends and ask money from them to help a fellow within the network. its like saying that you added a friend on facebook and a minute later he tried to loan money and you, in return, sent message to your entire friend's list and ask them some proportion of money to give to that person. and now, they do send money. process done. transactions are recorded thru that chat box. have you ever thought that people can be open minded, but not stupid? who has the sane mind to give money to someone they dont even know? it is nothing like that, it is simplier than you think

    and this process alone entails a working account. how do you intend to circulate the money involved? how will you gather the money from the samaritans? thru LBC or thru a specialized channel solely designed by you for that ofw bank. for real, if you ask me money, how will you get it from me? can i text you the money? email you the money? instagram? send it thru lbc? or are you going to give me your bank account? It is nothing like that, it is a lot simplier than you think

    you seemed to be inside the matrix. well, this is the real world. and real world needs real answers to real problems. not principles. people have principles, but principles wont feed a hungry child or send them to school.

    "we will create our own rules" - sounds like anarchy to me. try not to pay your bills, internet or electricity, unsa mahitabo? try to setup your ofw bank without network protocols and commonly used infrastructures kaha? unsa mahitabo? this is not about creating your own rules kay if you dont follow basic rules even on the web or not paying bills, there will be repercussion. dont tell me your going to create your own police force as well? but then again, youll circle back to principles, human na ka sa taoist principles. bantay lang.
    Mckoy,
    Thank you for taking so much of your time and effort to trying to shed light to what I am proposing. Try to dwell on simple things and avoid the complications first. Recall the "virtual secretary" has already done away with "permits" and everything. As I said, the mechanism of money making is the easy part. The returns are not as fast as the normal "interest rates" - yet people would not mind, after all they did not "invest" anything. It is like working with nature, planting the seed, wait till it grows, nurture and water it till it is fully stable.

    The organizational part needs some control mechanism. Once people understand how it works the simplicity of the mechanism will draw them in. They will even try to jockey-in which positions to take.(Sort of Privilege of the "First Born") How and where to allocate them is the challenge? Who is best to serve what? I have am trying to design system with "TRUST" out of the equation, there are still some snags that need to be sorted out. A system of operation where key-people are mere "facilitators", and progress of transactions transparent, even to BIR. (A process flow pre-defined similar to manufacturing processes, thinking process is reduced and even removed. People don't have to think anymore, semi-automated)

    Nest, assume for a moment, that all of a sudden - money was gone? Or all of a sudden, money was without value? There was a world wide economic collapse that money had no value for whatever reason. A hypothetical question but that will start you tinkering for solutions where in cannot be learned in school. A kind of scenario, wherein the Gold in Fort Knox was not really there, somehow, it was moved somewhere, disappeared!! How would you address a scenario such as this. The paper money in whatever denomination has no value. The gold standard is "gone", gone is the gold..now do you think that can happen
    Last edited by EsoyLegaspi; 07-19-2012 at 09:35 AM.

  2. #122

    Default Re: Ofw bank, bank of the ofw's, for ofw's, run by ofw's,

    answer the question and prove to me that its simplier than i think it is. im not claiming im right, im not saying that your wrong. but try to answer the questions directly na lang so we can meet half ways. ayaw na sige likoy., and stop throwing back questions to those who asked them.

    and you even posted that it will function like a traditional bank covered by PDIC but will not rely on deposits, just virtual deposits. adto PDIC and submit a form, you'll know what will happen next. either you'll be drag out of their office or be sued for malicious intent.

    try daw adto PDIC bai to accredit your bank? check natin if zero based capital ba jud na. sa compliance pa lang paso ka na. if muagi pa pdic, you'll need central bank screening pa. then muingon ka virtual deposit? PDIC is not PVDIC (philippine virtual deposit insurance corporation), then naa pa jud mga saln ha? that alone admitted ka na there is money involved kay naa man saln. unsa lang na? virtual saln? hayz..

    then naa pa jud requirement of people who have mastery of the web, IT, etc. have you ever designed a website? have you ever implemented a simple network infrastructure? simple questions ra na. yes or no lang.

    and please, please lang. ayaw na sige likoy..

    and please dont tell me na ikaw ang naka-discover ng aquaponics kay dugay naman na nga process.
    Last edited by mckoy_slipstream; 07-19-2012 at 12:56 PM.

  3. #123

    Default Re: Ofw bank, bank of the ofw's, for ofw's, run by ofw's,

    TS, no offense ha, pero ang imohang mga reasons ba, kay nadunggan naman na nako... sa mga MLM companies presentation....... "think out of the box", etc.... it has the same "taste" jud, as in......

    Ug mangutana ka nila, kay tubagon pud ka ug pangutana... toinks... sakto diay na? Mao guro na ang imohang gitawag ug "think out of the box" sa? Like making your "own" rules...

    OR, basin ug wala lang jud matubag nga tarong or nagpalusot lang...
    Last edited by lodyl; 07-19-2012 at 03:27 PM.

  4. #124

    Default Re: Ofw bank, bank of the ofw's, for ofw's, run by ofw's,

    the TS said he will present a business plan. wait na lang. kay kapoy na sige sakay sa rollercoaster.

  5. #125

    Default Re: Ofw bank, bank of the ofw's, for ofw's, run by ofw's,

    ^^mao lagi boss... kaso lang, basin ug "imaginary" ra pud nya na ang iyahang "business plan"... aw, imagine ra jud ta kutob ani...

  6. #126

    Default Profile of a scam - back to the future

    Quote Originally Posted by lodyl View Post
    TS, no offense ha, pero ang imohang mga reasons ba, kay nadunggan naman na nako... sa mga MLM companies presentation....... "think out of the box", etc.... it has the same "taste" jud, as in......

    Ug mangutana ka nila, kay tubagon pud ka ug pangutana... toinks... sakto diay na? Mao guro na ang imohang gitawag ug "think out of the box" sa? Like making your "own" rules...

    OR, basin ug wala lang jud matubag nga tarong or nagpalusot lang...
    Lodyl,
    Everything that you read in this thread, has almost all the elements of or the profile of a scam. Myself, am smiling when I write these concepts because the "gimmickry" and "desires-objectives" are really "Too Good To be True". For a moment, imagine yourself back in time 2000 years ago, and "esoy" is telling you, in the future man can fly. Then you ask how? Since I can't at the moment tell much, I describe it to you in "parables" and is frustrating for many. On the other hand, I believe there are others whom I think could already figure out the mechanics. They might have conceived "air-ships" in mind, just like in the movies. (Flying ships with sails). Hence, for people like L.Da Vinci, believed it can be done and put in effort. So did the Wright Brothers and put all their efforts into it.

    This is the same situation we are in as I float the concept. In so doing, there are 3 types of people we shall encounter, those who believe and those who don't believe and those who don't know what to believe. Those who made things happen, those who watch things happen and those who don't know what is happening. Thus, I float the "concept" to see and want to find out if there are people out there who have share, similar perceptions. If there are people of similar wants and objectives but may not have the solutions yet. I as I have started the list, defining our common objectives - our wants, our goals. Everything should begin with the fervor and burning desire "want to succeed and want to achieve". There will be many things that can happen if we are really serious to change things for the better. And for these people who have common wants, we need to reach a "critical mass", enough to turn the tide of the opposition.

    When we reach this "critical mass" and convert this into a focused "energy-power" - this can be more explosive than the atomic bomb of hiroshima and can have world-wide consequence. Grabe - lalong tumindi ang intriga, (the mystery deepens). We need people who have the desire to change things for the betterment of the many, uplift the low-end of our society. Level the playing field. There is so much "power" now available and we need to know how to harness this, as what was said in "spiderman 1". With great power comes great responsibility. We are all part of history in the making.

    Once again, although this may look like MLM, In MLM, you invest - in our concept, you don't invest anything. At least, perhaps invest on time to ponder and answer questions such as what can you do for the organization, assuming you believe in the principles, values that we profess? We need analytical brains and collaboration of skills. Knowledge is Power. Knowledge to manage and create opportunities. That is one source where the money shall come from. No need to leave your jobs and employment. For OFW's this is slowly developing the process of re-integration. Homecoming back to the fatherland. (Let us not bother with the specifics first) How many want this and worthy of it? If we are not worthy - the system will collapse.
    Last edited by EsoyLegaspi; 07-19-2012 at 05:47 PM.

  7. #127

    Default Re: Ofw bank, bank of the ofw's, for ofw's, run by ofw's,

    Aw, so you're saying nga maghulat pa diay mi ug 2000 years para mahimong REAL ang imohang "concept"? Aw, kung mao palang na imohang gisulti dayon boss, wala unta to problema...... pila ra hulat ug 2000 years............

    Honestly boss, sa akoang tan-aw, magpabilin ra ning "concept" ang imohang "concept"... post lang nya diri balik ug something REAL after 2000 years.......

  8. #128

    Default Re: Ofw bank, bank of the ofw's, for ofw's, run by ofw's,

    Quote Originally Posted by lodyl View Post
    Aw, so you're saying nga maghulat pa diay mi ug 2000 years para mahimong REAL ang imohang "concept"? Aw, kung mao palang na imohang gisulti dayon boss, wala unta to problema...... pila ra hulat ug 2000 years............

    Honestly boss, sa akoang tan-aw, magpabilin ra ning "concept" ang imohang "concept"... post lang nya diri balik ug something REAL after 2000 years.......
    siaw jud ka bai, wait na lang gani sa iyang business plan. ikaw jud ha? for me, not worth reading anymore unless something substantial is added, or something that makes sense, like not asking me to travel back in time and waste time thinking of scenarios that he eventually started himself.

  9. #129

    Default Re: Ofw bank, bank of the ofw's, for ofw's, run by ofw's,

    Ako bro kay tru singpost ko. Cashhome. Kay either aha ra nako mapadala. Depende sa maayo nga rate. So BDO/PNB langsa ko kay ganado paman ang sestima. Real time ang remittance 24/7.

  10. #130

    Default Re: Ofw bank, bank of the ofw's, for ofw's, run by ofw's,

    Quote Originally Posted by mckoy_slipstream View Post
    siaw jud ka bai, wait na lang gani sa iyang business plan. ikaw jud ha? for me, not worth reading anymore unless something substantial is added, or something that makes sense, like not asking me to travel back in time and waste time thinking of scenarios that he eventually started himself.
    Imagine ra jud tawn ta kutob ani bai... mura ug layo2x pa raba to ang 2000 years da....

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