Superman VS Son Gokou

[fastwalker]

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Are you sure??

And what about you? Are you sure he can jsut do that on a whim? Restore destroyed planets? Burden of proof is on you.

I know superman is skilled..but for me not as skilled as Gokou...Superman beats a lot of opponents without using brute force.( yeah cos he is doing this "catch the robbers and all that tinniwinni criminals kind of thing") Gokou doesn't buy that, Gokou only fights to those who are world/universal threats.

I'll look for a scan about Superman displaying his skills...later.
And which Universal threats?

Are you sure again C'mon now...do some research first bro. Smiley Gokou's speed plus his fighting skill...he's really hard beat.

Which doesnt prove he is faster than Superman.

The thing is with saiyans is that after they're healed or revive from a fight, their power is twice as strong. So if Gokou got hit by superman's laser eyes...gokou eats up his magic beans after, then superman laser eyes won't be much a problem anymore.

If Goku got hit by Supermans Heat Vision, he's dead.

Also, thats not how their, how should I call it, "regen" works. If they become immune to attacks theyve experienced before after healing, why then do they still get hurt from getting punched, kicked or blasted with KI?

[Santini]

superman is not faster than goku.

[fastwalker]

superman is not faster than goku.

Superman is 99% lightspeed.
Goku needs to use Instant Transmission to get to places inside Earth.

I think that ends the speed argument.

hers a strength and durability break down...

Strength: Superman
Superman - stopped the Moon from colliding with the Earth and returned it to its proper position in orbit
Goku - pushed a hill

Durability: Superman
Superman - took a blast from an Imperiex probe that can vaporize an entire Star System, absorbed Anti-Sun energies that could vaporize a Galaxy at the minimum
Goku - dunno of any durability showings but he cant survive planet busters or self destructions by characters slightly weaker than him

[djereza]

Hahaha oh man..this is a funny thread.

Okay since you're soo into superman..tell me how strong is superman's heat vision? Cos for me its soooo impossible Gokou will be fried up "If he ever got hit!"

Also, thats not how their, how should I call it, "regen" works. If they become immune to attacks theyve experienced before after healing, why then do they still get hurt from getting punched, kicked or blasted with KI?

Simple answer....cos the next opponent he fought is much stronger than the previous one.....did you read the manga?? why do you have to ask me this since you said you read the manga.. hahaha

Universal Threats (Freeza, Cell, Buu) Those guys can destroy planetsss.
Oh yeah i forgot, superman only deals with luther (no powers at all), doomsday (where he got beat up BIG TIME), mongul (wanna be strong as superman), Imperiex (which superman needed help beating with this one) and darkseid (which is the most powerful is ever fought).

[djereza]

Strength: Push a hill?? HAHAHA Think again bro.

[Santini]

Superman is 99% lightspeed.
Goku needs to use Instant Transmission to get to places inside Earth.

I think that ends the speed argument.

hers a strength and durability break down...

Strength: Superman
Superman - stopped the Moon from colliding with the Earth and returned it to its proper position in orbit
Goku - pushed a hill

Durability: Superman
Superman - took a blast from an Imperiex probe that can vaporize an entire Star System, absorbed Anti-Sun energies that could vaporize a Galaxy at the minimum
Goku - dunno of any durability showings but he cant survive planet busters or self destructions by characters slightly weaker than him

your arguement is laughable at best.
you argue that superman has 99% lightspeed yet he couldnt even reach that kind of speed when he and wally raced towards megiddon in JL. you rely too much on bios. if you say he operates normaly at that speed then how come, his less faster villains can tag him. thats why i point out to u the inconsistencies in comics.

goku can match, even exceed such speeds. kaio-ken alone boosts his speed, strength, energies x times over. and thats pre super saiyan. and show me a scan where superman does the thousand punches at 99% lightspeed? cuz ive never read anything showing superman doing that. the flash on the other hand has been shown doing that more ways than superman.

invulnerability? sorry, ive seen goku survive planet destroying energy shots way more than reading superman survive a hyped up Imperiex probe capable of destroying solar systems. again, thats comic inconsistency for you. and stopping a moon may show a feat of strength for superman, but not necesarilly a tool in which guarantees a victory.

goku has far more skills/attacks in which he can utilize to defeat superman. lets see how long that millimeter shield of his can last against a fury of kamehamehas. and no matter how you try to prove it, goku's martial arts far outclasses superman's. heat vision? goku survives that. no question.

[fastwalker]

Okay since you're soo into superman..tell me how strong is superman's heat vision? Cos for me its soooo impossible Gokou will be fried up "If he ever got hit!"

As strong as the Sun.
Superman's HV once powered a planet-moving ion engines. With the planet in question having a mass 16x that of Earth's. And this was Superman under a Red Sun.
He also fried a dozen Doomsday clones with it.

Simple answer....cos the next opponent he fought is much stronger than the previous one.....did you read the manga?? why do you have to ask me this since you said you read the manga.. hahaha

Yet when he fought Kid Buu he was getting his butt handed to him after fighting Super Buu.

Universal Threats (Freeza, Cell, Buu) Those guys can destroy planetsss.

Where was it stated that they're universal threats then? Buu at best is only a Star System threat.

Oh yeah i forgot, superman only deals with luther (no powers at all), doomsday (where he got beat up BIG TIME), mongul (wanna be strong as superman), Imperiex (which superman needed help beating with this one) and darkseid (which is the most powerful is ever fought).

comign from someone who ahs only read the 80's comic books

Strength: Push a hill?? HAHAHA Think again bro

Oh? then do tell what his greatest strength feat is.

your arguement is laughable at best.
you argue that superman has 99% lightspeed yet he couldnt even reach that kind of speed when he and wally raced towards megiddon in JL. you rely too much on bios. if you say he operates normaly at that speed then how come, his less faster villains can tag him. thats why i point out to u the inconsistencies in comics.

Who is Megiddon? Or did you mean Mageddon?
I'll have to re-check on that.
And what amkes you think I rely on Bios?
And arguing about inconsistencies really is pointless since superman has done it on canon, which means no matter if a turtle tagged him, the fact that he has shown to be able to go 99% lightspeed or faster than light in canon, means he can do it.

goku can match, even exceed such speeds. kaio-ken alone boosts his speed, strength, energies x times over. and thats pre super saiyan. and show me a scan where superman does the thousand punches at 99% lightspeed? cuz ive never read anything showing superman doing that. the flash on the other hand has been shown doing that more ways than superman.

Yet Goku uses teleportation to get around the Earth, why is that?
And why did he use teleportation to escape one of Buu's attacks?
Goku is nowhere near lightspeed, hell I dont think he or anyone(save maybe Vegito) is booking Lightning speeds.
And where did I mentioned Superman doing a thousand punches at 99% lightspeed?

invulnerability? sorry, ive seen goku survive planet destroying energy shots way more than reading superman survive a hyped up Imperiex probe capable of destroying solar systems. again, thats comic inconsistency for you. and stopping a moon may show a feat of strength for superman, but not necesarilly a tool in which guarantees a victory.

Goku surviving planet busters? Burden of proof is on you.

goku has far more skills/attacks in which he can utilize to defeat superman. lets see how long that millimeter shield of his can last against a fury of kamehamehas. and no matter how you try to prove it, goku's martial arts far outclasses superman's. heat vision? goku survives that. no question.

Proof?
Goku has never shown to be able to beat an enemy by using pressure points, which is a far more effective way than trying to beat your opponent with punches and or kicks.
Kame Hame Ha takes time to charge and Goku doesnt ahve unlimited energy. Also, superman wouldnt get damaged by that, he was unfazed when he got his by Etrigans magical flame. Going by that logic, Goku's Kame Hame Ha wouldnt do a thing to Superman.
And why do you say he survives Supes Heat Vision? Especially when HV is as hot as the sun. Goku doesnt posses the durability needed to survive such an attack.

[Santini]

As strong as the Sun.
Superman's HV once powered a planet-moving ion engines. With the planet in question having a mass 16x that of Earth's. And this was Superman under a Red Sun.
He also fried a dozen Doomsday clones with it.
Yet when he fought Kid Buu he was getting his butt handed to him after fighting Super Buu.
Where was it stated that they're universal threats then? Buu at best is only a Star System threat.
comign from someone who ahs only read the 80's comic books
Oh? then do tell what his greatest strength feat is.
Who is Megiddon? Or did you mean Mageddon?
I'll have to re-check on that.
And what amkes you think I rely on Bios?
And arguing about inconsistencies really is pointless since superman has done it on canon, which means no matter if a turtle tagged him, the fact that he has shown to be able to go 99% lightspeed or faster than light in canon, means he can do it.
Yet Goku uses teleportation to get around the Earth, why is that?
And why did he use teleportation to escape one of Buu's attacks?
Goku is nowhere near lightspeed, hell I dont think he or anyone(save maybe Vegito) is booking Lightning speeds.
And where did I mentioned Superman doing a thousand punches at 99% lightspeed?
Goku surviving planet busters? Burden of proof is on you.
Proof?
Goku has never shown to be able to beat an enemy by using pressure points, which is a far more effective way than trying to beat your opponent with punches and or kicks.
Kame Hame Ha takes time to charge and Goku doesnt ahve unlimited energy. Also, superman wouldnt get damaged by that, he was unfazed when he got his by Etrigans magical flame. Going by that logic, Goku's Kame Hame Ha wouldnt do a thing to Superman.
And why do you say he survives Supes Heat Vision? Especially when HV is as hot as the sun. Goku doesnt posses the durability needed to survive such an attack.

superman doesnt even travel 99% light speed. it took him 20 mins. to get to the sun from earth. 8 mins is what it would have took him to travel at 99% light speed. again, you try to over hype him with bio's uve read which is rather inconsistent of his established powers. again, show me a scan where he goes at those kinds of speeds.

and you still neglect when i pointed out kaio-ken which increases goku's power x times over. coupled that with kamehamehas, instant transmission, superior martial arts. goku wins it. and thats not even in SS modes. superman cant stand such barrages. his invulnerability cant hold out that long. even captain marvel has knocked him out in one punch.

And yes, I meant maggedon.

And no, kamehameha doesnt need a charge time. you're the one making that up. and with opponents like freeza, coola, cell, buu and vegeta who u can count as universal threats, you bet he has more chance defeating them than superman. and you dont see superman using pressure points at all times when you try deeming it as the best possible approach in defeating goku. goku's martial arts is far superior to superman's. captain marvel's magical lightning is a good example in which supes gets damaged. he should have been damaged by etrigans flames. again, blame comic inconsistency. thats the joy of having one writer.

i'll give you that superman with his solar absorption can last longer than goku. but this is a fight where superman still loses.

[Santini]

even Wizard magazine has Goku winning over Superman in their vs Showdown.

the only way i see superman winning over Goku is if it were Pre crisis Supes or Superman 1 million. But i believe Superman with a motherbox could hand Goku his ass.

Id love to see a Captain marvel(Shazam) vs. superman thread too.

[jasonrey]

daghana na akong na learn oy... good job!