Are we saved by faith alone, or do we need works, too?

[noy]

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.. boss noy, relax raman ko, hehehe. wala man sad ko mag generalize. dili man tanan pari, pero mostly gyud. in the end, nobody will know what the criteria of salvation is, nobody even knows if there's a god or not..

hehehehe..

[cebudoneforyou]

Dili man kita maoy mo Judge dili pod ta kabalo nga ma save pod ta sa atong pagtoo..For me lang as long as you live in accordance sa pamaagi nga insakto. Lahi lahi man ta ug mga religion pero for sure usa lang atong gitoohan. Ang Ginoo sa uban religion Ginoon man sad gihapon na sa uban. It so happen lnag nga Life is a Journey lng lahi ang ato gisubay pero usa lang atong padulngan kay same sa uban nga mga reaction. Daghan man diha mga bootan outside para mkita sa katawhan pero who knows ug masave ba ta or sila.. Wa pa man sad naka ingon nga oi save na jud ko kay bootan ko..

Toa man sa taas ang hukom sa tanan.. mao nga diri pa lang daan inom nalang mo daan pod ug beer kay wala kono beer sa langit..

Walk with faith not by sight..

[King]

read previous post. aron dili maglibog ug sabot kung same ba point sa usa ka nag post or not.

[King]

Dili man kita maoy mo Judge dili pod ta kabalo nga ma save pod ta sa atong pagtoo..For me lang as long as you live in accordance sa pamaagi nga insakto. Lahi lahi man ta ug mga religion pero for sure usa lang atong gitoohan. Ang Ginoo sa uban religion Ginoon man sad gihapon na sa uban. It so happen lnag nga Life is a Journey lng lahi ang ato gisubay pero usa lang atong padulngan kay same sa uban nga mga reaction. Daghan man diha mga bootan outside para mkita sa katawhan pero who knows ug masave ba ta or sila.. Wa pa man sad naka ingon nga oi save na jud ko kay bootan ko..

Toa man sa taas ang hukom sa tanan.. mao nga diri pa lang daan inom nalang mo daan pod ug beer kay wala kono beer sa langit..

Walk with faith not by sight..

agree ko on two things sa imong gisulti, [1] There is only One True God. [2] God is the Judge not men.

But...

Jesus warns us:
Matthew 7:13-23
13 “Go in through the narrow gate; because broad and spacious is the road leading off into destruction, and many are the ones going in through it; 14 whereas narrow is the gate and cramped the road leading off into life, and few are the ones finding it.
15 “Be on the watch for the false prophets that come to YOU in sheep’s covering, but inside they are ravenous wolves. 16 By their fruits YOU will recognize them. Never do people gather grapes from thorns or figs from thistles, do they? 17 Likewise every good tree produces fine fruit, but every rotten tree produces worthless fruit; 18 a good tree cannot bear worthless fruit, neither can a rotten tree produce fine fruit. 19 Every tree not producing fine fruit gets cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 Really, then, by their fruits YOU will recognize those [men].
21 “Not everyone saying to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter into the kingdom of the heavens, but the one doing the will of my Father who is in the heavens will. 22 Many will say to me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and expel demons in your name, and perform many powerful works in your name?’ 23 And yet then I will confess to them: I never knew YOU! Get away from me, YOU workers of lawlessness.

we need to make sure we are in the right track and i doesn't mean that there is no work to be done nga basta nalang ta nituo sa unsa gisulti sa tao. naa mga tao nga mangilad for their self interest, like wolves.

also this text indicates nga naa ra jud one true religion others will be false. all false religion that bear fruits nga bulok will be cut down and thrown into the fire. kinsa man ang fruit sa gisulti dire? ang tree kay one religion. ang fruit kinsa man? anyways we are seeking for the truth kay mao man gisulti ni Jesus nga "the Truth will set you free"

John 8:31,32
31 And so Jesus went on to say to the Jews that had believed him: “If YOU remain in my word, YOU are really my disciples, 32 and YOU will know the truth, and the truth will set YOU free.”

we will know the truth, by reading and studying the Bible. and the truth will set us free, free from what? one of the benefits kay free from false teaching.

so FAITH from fruitage of God's holy spirit, then fine work (searching for truth). God kept making it grow and only God knows if we are save. Cause we men are not the Judge.

[King]

1 Corinthians 3:6-9

6*I planted, A·pol′los watered, but God kept making [it] grow; 7*so that neither is he that plants anything nor is he that waters, but God who makes [it] grow. 8*Now he that plants and he that waters are one, but each [person] will receive his own reward according to his own labor. 9*For we are God’s fellow workers. YOU people are God’s field under cultivation, God’s building.

[SioDenz]

.. ha ?? " Cya Ra MakaHIbalo If Maluwas Na Ba Ka or Wala " ... kuwaya gud ana. mura man ang imong g.ask ug sorry na tao kay ginoo... klaroha daw na diha

Ha? Murag wa ka kasabot.

kinsa diay mu Judge sa tawo igka matay? Kinsa diay munaog gikan sa langit para mu Judge sa katawhan ig ka tapos sa kalibutan? IKAW?

Alangan man sad adtu ka mangayu ug pasaylo sa Ginoo nya AKO Magbuot if napasaylao na ba ka or wala? Klaruha daw ug sabot

Musugot ka laing tawo maoy mu decide if napasaylo or naluwas naba ka dili ang Ginoo?

[SioDenz]

.. kanang mag ingon na FAITH CAN SAVE US... mura na cya ug si Juan Tamad, tapulan, gadako lang hunahuna na maluwas... ang angay na e.judge kay dili ang faith, kung unsa imong nabuhat sa imong isig ka tao...

.. tan-awa ra gud nang mga Pari diha; grabi kuno ilang "faith" pero tan-awa unsay gipang buhat ana sa ngitngit..

Murag wala ka kasabot sa topic. Ang topic mao ni: Unsay requirements sa kaluwasan?

Argument1: FAITH + GOOD WORKS - meaning apilon ug kwenta imung nabuhat nga Maayu physically.

Argument2: FAITH ra, kay FAITH=Good works. Good work is a manifestation of True faith. - meaning if naa kay true faith natural mubuhat jud kag maayu.

[SioDenz]

.. boss noy, relax raman ko, hehehe. wala man sad ko mag generalize. dili man tanan pari, pero mostly gyud. in the end, nobody will know what the criteria of salvation is, nobody even knows if there's a god or not..

lain nasad na nga topic imu, Agnostic nman na.. the ones Who doesnt Know

[SioDenz]

Dili man kita maoy mo Judge dili pod ta kabalo nga ma save pod ta sa atong pagtoo..For me lang as long as you live in accordance sa pamaagi nga insakto.

sakto ka pero ang pangutana - Asa ug Kinsa may Insakto? unsa may source sa Sakto nga pagtuo?

[Aphiemi]

Marius,

depende ra jud na bro kong asa nimo e based imong pagtoo. if we allow the bible as our criteria for salvation it says there that we only need faith.

ang dilemma man gud if we based it on good works is pila man ka good works kinahanglan para malowas ta? kana lang gani 10 c0mmandments maglisod naman gani ta og sunod ana.

now mo hisgot gani ta og faith dili kanang faith nga to-o to-o lang but rather faith that produces good works. let me illustrate bro ha.

if you say you love your wife or imo GF, words are not enough to assure her of what you claim to feel about her, di ba? dapat kana imong gi profess nga love dapat ma demonstrate jud na nimo sa iyaha. like you do things for her, you go out of your way to fulfill your promises to her, di ba?

mao pod na sa faith nimo kay God, imong TRUE faith will ALWAYS produce good deeds BUT when it comes to salvation, Jesus is all we need, he already died for us and have provided the way to salvation, all we got to do is to have FAITH in what He has done.

let me just quote one verse..."I AM(Jesus) the way the truth and the life no one can come to the father except through me" Si Jesus ra jud bro, dili kita pinaagi sa atong good deeds.