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    Quote Originally Posted by LaBelleza View Post
    Ah ok...Well u can assume that he was saved by faith alone, being physically disadvantaged. But as a Muslim I believe since his sickness stopped him from doing good works, God sent His special mercy to the man knowing he had the intentions in his heart to do good and so I still think just having faith is not going to save us. I believe our faith as well as our actions in this world will determine where we end up in the hereafter.
    So your a muslim? I have been dying to speak to one... Is it true that if a Muslim kills an infidel he will go to heaven and be rewarded of hundreds of virgins? I've heard this one from a Pakistani Muslim and I find it really disturbing. Don't be offended I know everyone is not the same but I have not once met a Muslim that I have done business with that has done the right thing .where I'm coming from, people stay away from them usually they do business with each other because they know Aussies won't take any bull$hit from them.

    My worst experience with a Muslim was with my Muslim landlord. We split up with my husband for 6 months and due to having no record of tenancy, it was tough for me to find a place to live in. I was the one who decided to move out with our bub, so I've met this Muslim lady she was very nice at first. I insisted to have the place unfurnished because I'd like to buy my own furnitures and stuffs and she told me she will remove the furnitures before I move in. I was booked to move the following week and guess what? Not one furniture has been moved... This is after she took 6 months in advance downpayment in cash. $2000 a month rent for the flat. She even didn't clean the place nor mowed the lawn, I rang her every now and then only to find out from a real estate agent who handles the house that I have been scammed! She wasn't the landlord but she was one of the tenants before that's why she had the keys. , she's definitely my nightmare landlord will never rent privately if ever again, will go directly to a real estate and I can tell you more stories, I don't know if it just comes with their race or religion? Does it have something to do with being an infidel?

    I was lucky I got the help of the fair trading and they have able to track her down and gave her a serve, I think she will be in jail for awhile because I'm not the only one she ripped off big time but I didnt end up getting my money back which hurts
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    Quote Originally Posted by SioDenz View Post
    Unsa diay nang kaluwasan Season season diay nah, murag Ponkan diay. Klaruha daw na imung gipang istorya by giving us some verse gikan sa imung KJV
    Sir, atong mahinumduman nga ang Dios is the same yesterday, today and tomorrow... ang iyang attributes dili mausab, but his dealing to mankind in every dispensation changes. For example, sa foods kaniadto dunay panahon nga dili ipakaon ang karne then ipakaon na pud.. during the despensation of law dili ipakaon ang pork then during church age ipakaon napud. Ang Holy spirit during sa time nila ni david dili permaninti unlike sa atong time sa church age. Sigi lang kay ipakita nya nako dire ang mga bile verses about sa kaluwasan nga different kaayu sa O.T. , N.T., and Tribulation period.

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    para nako and based sa pagsabot nako sa bible ang kalowasan is by faith. kini klase nga faith dili kanang passive bitaw nga pagtoo but inubanan og buhat or works BUT its not my works nga maka lowas nako but my faith. Ang works naa lng diha to prove that I have faith.

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    Quote Originally Posted by garner View Post
    Sir, atong mahinumduman nga ang Dios is the same yesterday, today and tomorrow... ang iyang attributes dili mausab, but his dealing to mankind in every dispensation changes. For example, sa foods kaniadto dunay panahon nga dili ipakaon ang karne then ipakaon na pud.. during the despensation of law dili ipakaon ang pork then during church age ipakaon napud. Ang Holy spirit during sa time nila ni david dili permaninti unlike sa atong time sa church age. Sigi lang kay ipakita nya nako dire ang mga bile verses about sa kaluwasan nga different kaayu sa O.T. , N.T., and Tribulation period.
    ang pagsabot nako ani is ang LAW para ra na sa mg Hudeo. Sa bible if you can remember there was a time nga dunay conflict between the Church in Jerusalem and the Gentile Christians, kay naglisod man ang mga gentiles sa pag sunod sa Jewish halakah. Ang gibuhat sa mga Hudeo gi padalhan sila og sowat nga di na kinahanglan mosunod sila sa Halakah but mo avoid lang sila og kaon og dugo, food offered to idols,sexual immorality.

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    Quote Originally Posted by garner View Post
    Sir, atong mahinumduman nga ang Dios is the same yesterday, today and tomorrow... ang iyang attributes dili mausab, but his dealing to mankind in every dispensation changes. For example, sa foods kaniadto dunay panahon nga dili ipakaon ang karne then ipakaon na pud.. during the despensation of law dili ipakaon ang pork then during church age ipakaon napud. Ang Holy spirit during sa time nila ni david dili permaninti unlike sa atong time sa church age. Sigi lang kay ipakita nya nako dire ang mga bile verses about sa kaluwasan nga different kaayu sa O.T. , N.T., and Tribulation period.
    Different jud ang form sa kaluwasan sa Old compare sa New kay naa man si Jesus sa new nagpakamatay.

    Kanang pagkaon sa OLD ug New OR kanang mga practices sa OLD ug new managlahi jud na. Lahi lahi na sila ug kapanahunan ug lahi lahi ug level ang knowledge sa OLD people ug sa New/present People. Remember nga ang OLD Testament ang kasagaran content ana nag focus sa mga Guideline unsaon pagkinabuhi sa mga tawo sa Ginoo - specific kaayu. Binagsa ang nga steps dha gikan sa pagkaon, pagpuyo, pagminyo, pagworship etc. Sa new lahi sad ang paagi sa pag hatag sa balaod, nagamit na ug pasumbingay ug dili na kaayu specific sa mga practices.

    When reading the Bible we should also consider if kinsa ang gihatagan sa balaod, unsa sitwasyun sa katawhan sa panahon gisuwat ang sugo sa OLD, unsa ang level sa knowledge sa mga tawo anang panahuna. Kay if di natu na i consider, di ta kasabot nganu naay practices nga nausab.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nitwit View Post
    So your a muslim? I have been dying to speak to one... Is it true that if a Muslim kills an infidel he will go to heaven and be rewarded of hundreds of virgins? I've heard this one from a Pakistani Muslim and I find it really disturbing. Don't be offended I know everyone is not the same but I have not once met a Muslim that I have done business with that has done the right thing .where I'm coming from, people stay away from them usually they do business with each other because they know Aussies won't take any bull$hit from them.

    My worst experience with a Muslim was with my Muslim landlord. We split up with my husband for 6 months and due to having no record of tenancy, it was tough for me to find a place to live in. I was the one who decided to move out with our bub, so I've met this Muslim lady she was very nice at first. I insisted to have the place unfurnished because I'd like to buy my own furnitures and stuffs and she told me she will remove the furnitures before I move in. I was booked to move the following week and guess what? Not one furniture has been moved... This is after she took 6 months in advance downpayment in cash. $2000 a month rent for the flat. She even didn't clean the place nor mowed the lawn, I rang her every now and then only to find out from a real estate agent who handles the house that I have been scammed! She wasn't the landlord but she was one of the tenants before that's why she had the keys. , she's definitely my nightmare landlord will never rent privately if ever again, will go directly to a real estate and I can tell you more stories, I don't know if it just comes with their race or religion? Does it have something to do with being an infidel?

    I was lucky I got the help of the fair trading and they have able to track her down and gave her a serve, I think she will be in jail for awhile because I'm not the only one she ripped off big time but I didnt end up getting my money back which hurts
    Salaam,

    Unfortunately for u, u just encountered bad people who are some of those who ignore the proper teachings of the holy Qur'an. Islam condones killing so there is no place for someone who kills in heaven and the promise of virgins is a myth. Islam is the most misunderstood religion. We believe that Islam is perfect, however the followers are not. I'm not the perfect Muslim at times. I do the best I can tho. I don't drink, smoke, swear, eat bad food, go out to clubs...I respect people, love my parents, love my husbad...I pray at least 5 times a day, however sometimes not on time..

    So back to those people u met..until they change their dishonest ways, they will continue to have bad deeds written in their books. Honesty is an important attribute of the Muslim character. Prophet Muhammad (saw) said:

    “Truthfulness leads to righteousness, and righteousness leads to Paradise. In addition, a man keeps on telling the truth until he becomes a truthful person. Falsehood leads to wickedness and evil-doing, and wickedness leads to the (Hell) Fire, and a man may keep on telling lies till he is written before God, as a liar”. (Saheeh Al-Bukhari)

    *swt means: subhanahu wa ta'ala (Glorified and Exalted be He)
    *saw means: salallahu alayhi wasalam (peace and blessings be upon him)

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    Quote Originally Posted by LaBelleza View Post
    Salaam,

    Unfortunately for u, u just encountered bad people who are some of those who ignore the proper teachings of the holy Qur'an. Islam condones killing so there is no place for someone who kills in heaven and the promise of virgins is a myth. Islam is the most misunderstood religion. We believe that Islam is perfect, however the followers are not. I'm not the perfect Muslim at times. I do the best I can tho. I don't drink, smoke, swear, eat bad food, go out to clubs...I respect people, love my parents, love my husbad...I pray at least 5 times a day, however sometimes not on time..

    So back to those people u met..until they change their dishonest ways, they will continue to have bad deeds written in their books. Honesty is an important attribute of the Muslim character. Prophet Muhammad (saw) said:

    “Truthfulness leads to righteousness, and righteousness leads to Paradise. In addition, a man keeps on telling the truth until he becomes a truthful person. Falsehood leads to wickedness and evil-doing, and wickedness leads to the (Hell) Fire, and a man may keep on telling lies till he is written before God, as a liar”. (Saheeh Al-Bukhari)

    *swt means: subhanahu wa ta'ala (Glorified and Exalted be He)
    *saw means: salallahu alayhi wasalam (peace and blessings be upon him)
    But according to the muslims ive met, if they lie and cheat to the infidels they're not accounted as a sin or dishonesty instead they will be rewarded for that. Thats why theres plenty of muslim martyrs that they wrap themselves with bombs and go to where most infidels are and blow them all up because they were told that the more infidels they kill the more reward they get? . I just think its very disgusting, in oz nearly 60 percent of the crimes involve muslims, you can see it on tv everyday, nearly every hour like just earlier, a muslim husband nearly killed his wife by pushing her off the cliff, shes now fighting for her life and his reason being by doing it is that his wife eArlier the week went with his sister at bondi beach and the sister showed "skin" which is according to him is a disgrace to their religion, this is his sister not his wife but he nearly killed his wife because according to him, she put the family to shame . The religion itself is very complex im sure its very obvious to you that its one of the most hated religion thats been around. No offense im basing only to what i hear and the comments ive heard on the radio and telly here.

    And whats the deal with swimming in public pools wearing burqas? Why cant they respect and adjust at least? If they will only wear burqas in public pools why cant they stay at home and just bathe at their own bath tub instead of looking ridiculous in public? They look scary wearing all black with only the eyes showing when theyre walking around how much more when theyre wet?!!!
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    ^ Mind if I insert? MSM is not a good place to learn and understand Islam. As a Protestant our history have better stance with the "Turks" than the Catholics in Europe and I've question myself about Islamic terrorism in recent history and referred to an Ethopian Muslim and a Sudanese I met in college and have come to accept that the problem is usually from corrupt teachers who teach haram (forbidden) methods.
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    we need also to work side by side with our faith. Kay kung fait lang ka unya wala kay klaro sa buhat then dili gyud ka ma save

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    Quote Originally Posted by nitwit View Post
    But according to the muslims ive met, if they lie and cheat to the infidels they're not accounted as a sin or dishonesty instead they will be rewarded for that. Thats why theres plenty of muslim martyrs that they wrap themselves with bombs and go to where most infidels are and blow them all up because they were told that the more infidels they kill the more reward they get? . I just think its very disgusting, in oz nearly 60 percent of the crimes involve muslims, you can see it on tv everyday, nearly every hour like just earlier, a muslim husband nearly killed his wife by pushing her off the cliff, shes now fighting for her life and his reason being by doing it is that his wife eArlier the week went with his sister at bondi beach and the sister showed "skin" which is according to him is a disgrace to their religion, this is his sister not his wife but he nearly killed his wife because according to him, she put the family to shame . The religion itself is very complex im sure its very obvious to you that its one of the most hated religion thats been around. No offense im basing only to what i hear and the comments ive heard on the radio and telly here.

    And whats the deal with swimming in public pools wearing burqas? Why cant they respect and adjust at least? If they will only wear burqas in public pools why cant they stay at home and just bathe at their own bath tub instead of looking ridiculous in public? They look scary wearing all black with only the eyes showing when theyre walking around how much more when theyre wet?!!!
    I'm from Australia too, I've been living here since I was 3 years old (25 years). The rest of my family are Catholic. Never in my life have I met a Muslim like the ones ur referring to and sure some of them are not perfect. No one is.

    The information u've gathered is false. U wanted to ask a Muslim and so I am answering u. Islam means peace. It seems like u don't want to accept this. The rewards from God are from doing good. And no, u don't see acts of crimes by Muslims everyday, U must be scoping around for it. And no, this is not the right way of Islam.

    "Plenty" of martyrs. Seriously, compare that to the amount of proper Muslims.

    Please go to the Australian Bureau of Statistics and show me where these crimes are coming from.

    The burqa, niqab and hijab are worn as a way of worshipping God. Why can't u respect that? It doesn't look ridiculous. What's more ridiculous is when a female wears hardly any clothes and then complains that men are gawking at her like a piece of meat. What's more ridiculous is that u think that we have to adjust. If a woman is free to show off her body, a woman should be free to cover it!
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