Are we saved by faith alone, or do we need works, too?

[King]

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Jesus told his listeners: “You must .*.*. be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect.”
How can humans today “be perfect”?—Matt. 5:48.

The key to answering this question lies in understanding how the words “perfect” and “perfection” are used in the Bible.
Not everything that the Scriptures describe as “perfect” may be so in an absolute sense.
Of course, Jehovah possesses such absolute perfection. People or things can be perfect only in a relative sense. The Hebrew and Greek Bible words translated “perfect” often mean “complete,” “mature,” or “faultless” according to standards set by an authority. In everyday speech, the word is generally used in a relative sense. The expression “perfect weather” is one example.

Adam and Eve were created perfect morally, spiritually, and physically. They were perfect according to the standard set by their Creator. Because of disobedience, they did not measure up to this standard and therefore lost perfection for themselves and their offspring. Thus it was through Adam that sin, imperfection, and death were passed on to humankind.—Rom. 5:12.

As Jesus made plain in the Sermon on the Mount, however, even imperfect people can be perfect in a relative sense. In that discourse, he set standards for perfect, or complete, love. This is love such as that shown by God toward humankind. Jesus said: “Continue to love your enemies and to pray for those persecuting you; that you may prove yourselves sons of your Father who is in the heavens, since he makes his sun rise upon wicked people and good and makes it rain upon righteous people and unrighteous.” (Matt. 5:44,*45) By showing love to this extent, Jesus’ disciples would be imitating God’s perfect example.

Today, Jehovah’s Witnesses worldwide strive to maintain such a high standard of love for others. They desire to help people of all different backgrounds, races, and religions to come to an accurate knowledge of Bible truth. In 236 lands, the Witnesses presently conduct over 7,000,000 Bible studies with interested individuals.

“If you love those loving you, what reward do you have?” asked Jesus. “Are not also the tax collectors doing the same thing? And if you greet your brothers only, what extraordinary thing are you doing? Are not also the people of the nations doing the same thing?” (Matt. 5:46,*47) True Christians do not show partiality toward people of certain educational or ethnic backgrounds; nor do they extend love only to those who are able to reciprocate. Rather, they help the poor and the sick, the young and the old. In such ways, Christians can imitate Jehovah’s love and thus be perfect in a relative sense.
Will we ever be able to enjoy the perfection that Adam lost? Yes, through faith in Jesus’ ransom sacrifice, obedient mankind will fully reach a perfect state during Christ’s Millennial Reign, when ‘the Son of God breaks up the works of the Devil.’—1*John 3:8.

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Today, Jehovah’s Witnesses worldwide strive to maintain such a high standard of love for others. They desire to help people of all different backgrounds, races, and religions to come to an accurate knowledge of Bible truth. In 236 lands, the Witnesses presently conduct over 7,000,000 Bible studies with interested individuals.

Jehovah's Witness, murag wala ni sa inyong Bible Dah.. Missing na hanaw parang bula..

1 John 5:7

King James Version (KJV)

For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

Depensa dayon nga sayop daw ang KJV.. okay.

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People hate youtube because it is effective in communicating the truth and lies.

[King]

Jehovah's Witness, murag wala ni sa inyong Bible Dah.. Missing na hanaw parang bula..

1 John 5:7

King James Version (KJV)

For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

Depensa dayon nga sayop daw ang KJV.. okay.

nope naa ang 1 John 5:7, 8 but in the exact form of translation from Greek to English. kindly refer to greek manuscript.

"For there are three witness bearers, the spirit and the water and the blood, and the three are in agreement".

KJ reads: “For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. And there are three that bear witness in earth, the spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.” (Dy also includes this Trinitarian passage.) However, NW does not include the words “in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. And there are three that bear witness in earth.” (RS, NE, TEV, JB, NAB also leave out the Trinitarian passage.)

Revised Standard Version: [RS]
[7] And the Spirit is the witness, because the Spirit is the truth.
[8] There are three witnesses, the Spirit, the water, and the blood; and these three agree

New American Bible (Catholic). [NAB]
7So there are three that testify, 8the Spirit, the water, and the blood, and the three are of one accord.

Regarding this Trinitarian passage, textual critic F. H. A. Scrivener wrote: “We need not hesitate to declare our conviction that the disputed words were not written by St.*John: that they were originally brought into Latin copies in Africa from the margin, where they had been placed as a pious and orthodox gloss on ver. 8: that from the Latin they crept into two or three late Greek codices, and thence into the printed Greek text, a place to which they had no rightful claim.”—A Plain Introduction to the Criticism of the New Testament (Cambridge, 1883, third ed.), p. 654.
See also footnote on these verses in JB, and NW appendix, 1984 Reference edition, p. 1580.
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According to Eusebius (father of church history (c. 260-342 C.E.), the authenticity of First John was never questioned. However, it is to be noted that some older translations have added to chapter 5 the following words at the end of verse 7and the beginning of verse 8: “In heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. And there are three that bear witness in earth.” (King James Version) But this text is not found in any of the early Greek manuscripts and has obviously been added to bolster the Trinity doctrine.

make this thread useful and with sense. i am not here for a debate but i will answer with reasonings.

God the Father is Jehovah
Son of God is Jesus
where in the Bible indicates the name of the Holy Spirit assuming he is a person?
we can answer many bible text that Holy Spirit is not a person but an active force of God Jehovah.

[King]

People hate youtube because it is effective in communicating the truth and lies.

when did youtube be a reliable source?

i don't know who is that person in the video and i never watched it.

(Matthew 7:22, 23) Many will say to me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and expel demons in your name, and perform many powerful works in your name?’ And yet then I will confess to them: I never knew YOU! Get away from me, YOU workers of lawlessness.

@all
OT na ta ani.

Are we saved by faith alone, or do we need works, too?
true faith that leads to fine works is what our topic.

[SioDenz]

"Thus, too, faith, if it does not have works, is dead in itself" James 2:17 (NW)
"But do you care to know, O empty man, that faith apart from works is inactive" James 2:20 (NW)


what is empty man means? a man not filled with accurate knowledge.
accurate knowledge leads to faith, faith produces fine works.

Based on your conclusion, it means KNOWLEDGE => FAITH => FINE WORKS kay ni use man ka sa word nga LEADS which means Pre-requesite or EFFECT. Which is Opposite sa verse nga imung ghatag kay ang concept sa verse is FAITH + FINE WORKS = SALVATION. So asa may sakto ana, kanang verse O kana imung Conclusion?

Question, can a Man do Fine/good Works without Faith? or without the so-called Knowledge?

[SioDenz]

Good point.
The important thing is that we are new creation of Christ being born again and We no longer desire to sin.

"No longer desire to sin" is Not the same as Cannot SIN. My question is if pwedi ba makasala after ma born again? nya if Makasala, mawala ang kaluwasan?

We are already saved if we continue to walk with Christ. It is up to us to carry our on Cross and live faithfully.

You are always using the Word IF, so nagpasabot dili Sure o dunay chance mausab. So pangutana, kinsay dunay capasidad mu Judge nimu IF We indeed Still walking with Christ or Not? kita ra sad or ang Dios?

[SioDenz]

Libog nang trinity oi.

God the Father, the Son are Spirit man ghapon na sila. So unsaon nimu pag differentiate an Holy Spirit? spirit man sad nah...

Kung nagpakatawo pa ang Holy Spirit, mahimu nsad na siyang Person?

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Libog nang trinity oi.

God the Father, the Son are Spirit man ghapon na sila. So unsaon nimu pag differentiate an Holy Spirit? spirit man sad nah...

Kung nagpakatawo pa ang Holy Spirit, mahimu nsad na siyang Person?

Di mana libog bro.. Ang Jehovah's Witness Deny the Trinity obviously.

The Holy Spirit bro is a He.. It is not an "it"..

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Oi Jehobas Witness.. ay pangilad bro..

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Jehovah’s Witness Bible
1 John 5
New Living Translation (NLT)

Faith in the Son of God

5 And who can win this battle against the world? Only those who believe that Jesus is the Son of God.

6 And Jesus Christ was revealed as God’s Son by his baptism in water and by shedding his blood on the cross—not by water only, but by water and blood. And the Spirit, who is truth, confirms it with his testimony.

7 So we have these three witnesses— Hala ASA NA? ---- NAHANAW PARANG BULA!

8 the Spirit, the water, and the blood—and all three agree. <- Mao ni imong pasabot..

9 Since we believe human testimony, surely we can believe the greater testimony that comes from God. And God has testified about his Son




King James Version
1 John 5
King James Version (KJV)

5 Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God?

6 This is he that came by water and blood, even Jesus Christ; not by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is truth.

7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

8 And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one. <- Mao ni imong pasabot.

9 If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son.