K12 Educational system

[emow]

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i'm advocating a freer educational system...what philosophy are you standing for?

[monroy]

i'm advocating a freer educational system...

Eh, how? By stopping all funding to public schools and flooding people with private school choices, most of them substandard? Come on man..

what philosophy are you standing for?

I want increased funding for public schools.

Again I ask what you're advocating for. We have lots of private schools already. Not enough choice for you bro?

[cliff_drew]

^Is there any other than controlled subsidies? All subsidies are controlled, that is part of the essence of a subsidy. The corruption that exists prior to K12 will still exist because K12 addresses the lacking in quantity of years of education rather than the root cause for the problem of education.

Controlled in the sense that we aren't spending much for education. Reason that there's no enough budget allocation is deeply an excuse. We even spent 8 billion just for one-time automated election system. Additional years for basic education is even a cost-saving add-on as it prepare the students to become competitive for employment without getting a bachelors degree.

It is not evident as a whole because evidence shows that more private educated students edge public school students in almost any field of profession.... But there are extremely rare cases where an exceptional student from the public school can edge over private educated students... And yet, often times, if ever such an exceptional student is recognized, a scholarship for private education is offered.

I agree because those in public lacks necessary resources.

The only way public schools can enhanced their education is through competition... competition against other schools for enrollment of students.

I don't think public schools can sustain competition without enough funding.

[emow]

Really? How? By stopping all funding to public schools so we can have thousands of private school choices, most of them crap? Please man, that's hilarious...



I want increased funding for public schools.

there's no way that a private school can be any crappier than the current public school...because if ever there will be, people will just opt to the lesser crappier public school and force that crappiest private school shut down... listen man, let's do this without ad hominems...

[monroy]

there's no way that a private school can be any crappier than the current public school...because if ever there will be, people will just opt to the lesser crappier public school and force that crappiest private school shut down... listen man, let's do this without ad hominems...

Right there you're wrong, there are public schools that are better than most private schools. Philippine Science High for one will easily beat the average private school. I'm sure there are other examples...

Despite charging tuition, some private schools are worse than some public schools. That proves your all private school idea won't work and will make things worse. Government already provides tax subsidies to private schools, what more do you want done?

[emow]

^ What are these private schools that are worst than your average public schools?
Yes, Philippine Science High is quite an exceptional school....i wonder how much debt we are incurring...

You see, we cannot ignore the economics behind the set-up of the public education... There are exceptional public schools, and these are the schools that incur the most debt for us tax payers, i think we could soften the burden as well as improve the quality of education on the average student by deregulating the school system gradually...In a voucher system, the response to changes of the job environment will be faster, adjustments need not wait for government bureaucracies... Public schools can actually be self sufficient and expand the successful public schools while closing down the defective ones... and that decision is placed under the power of our impoverished students.

There is a separate issue with regards to schools like PSH and UP, yes these are public schools but they are far heavily funded compared to your average public school. These schools are exceptional because of the stringent qualification they conduct for students, and only exceptional students are admitted....there are many well-to do students who benefit from the relatively free education...corruption floursihes when well-to do families avail these benefits intended for exceptional impoverished students... I don't know if they are also given living allowances...

Personally, i would prefer a complete deregulated, unsubsidized education... but i guess before we can get to an ideal free market education, an alternative would be a voucher system... Still subsidized, but we will be getting our money's worth... lesser corruption, lesser bureaucracy, and more teaching...

[emow]

Controlled in the sense that we aren't spending much for education. Reason that there's no enough budget allocation is deeply an excuse. We even spent 8 billion just for one-time automated election system. Additional years for basic education is even a cost-saving add-on as it prepare the students to become competitive for employment without getting a bachelors degree.



I agree because those in public lacks necessary resources.



I don't think public schools can sustain competition without enough funding.

i think we have TESDA already to address that issue...this would be a redundancy then... Defective public schools cannot sustain without government funding, likewise defective private schools cannot sustain without enrollees... But since subsidy is ascertained, defective public schools continue to operate. Where are these defective schools? The students and parents will be the judge.

[cliff_drew]

i think we have TESDA already to address that issue...this would be a redundancy then...

TESDA goes hand-in-hand with DepEd along with CHEd in supporting K12. Issues being addressed are not considered redundant since these skill enhancement programs offered by TESDA will be incurred in the last two years of high school if I'm not wrong. If the students passed and proved to be competent, they will be given certificate or became TESDA certified. Even BPOs and private sectors support K12 and agreed to hire competent individuals under this program even only graduated in high school. What happened today, some college graduates preferred to enroll TESDA courses to hone their skills which could have been done within their schooling years. That's redundancy.

Defective public schools cannot sustain without government funding, likewise defective private schools cannot sustain without enrollees... But since subsidy is ascertained, defective public schools continue to operate. Where are these defective schools? The students and parents will be the judge.

I think you came from a private school. K12 is somehow a reform of education majority focused for the public schools because it is where you will see average or even poor quality of education. People in urban areas have been longing for this reform. Yet, this isn't a threat to private schools.

[monroy]

^ What are these private schools that are worst than your average public schools?
Yes, Philippine Science High is quite an exceptional school....i wonder how much debt we are incurring...

Read my posts cos I never said there are private schools worse than your average public school. But those schools exist anyway, especially in the provinces.

You see, we cannot ignore the economics behind the set-up of the public education... There are exceptional public schools, and these are the schools that incur the most debt for us tax payers, i think we could soften the burden as well as improve the quality of education on the average student by deregulating the school system gradually...In a voucher system, the response to changes of the job environment will be faster, adjustments need not wait for government bureaucracies... Public schools can actually be self sufficient and expand the successful public schools while closing down the defective ones... and that decision is placed under the power of our impoverished students.

I hope you're making that claim because you have the data to back it up.

There is a separate issue with regards to schools like PSH and UP, yes these are public schools but they are far heavily funded compared to your average public school. These schools are exceptional because of the stringent qualification they conduct for students, and only exceptional students are admitted....there are many well-to do students who benefit from the relatively free education...corruption floursihes when well-to do families avail these benefits intended for exceptional impoverished students... I don't know if they are also given living allowances...

You're raising a red herring. The relevant comparison should be how much is spent per student at these schools compared to your average private school, not public school because we're comparing public to private school value for money right?

Personally, i would prefer a complete deregulated, unsubsidized education... but i guess before we can get to an ideal free market education, an alternative would be a voucher system... Still subsidized, but we will be getting our money's worth... lesser corruption, lesser bureaucracy, and more teaching...

Where's your proof that this works, is there a single country in the world that has a deregulated, unsubsidized all-private school system that works? You haven't even given any proof that a voucher system works man... Claims based on assumptions are worthless.

In the meantime there's at least one country with a successful public school system that beats even the best private schools we have here: China.